[macnavi]

Fascinating news. Norway is about to make it a criminal act to copy copy-protected CD's you bought and own to any MP3 player. It's a proposition for a change of the law by the Ministery of Culture and Church (how can this be one department in modern times?). The following detail says a lot about people who made the proposition: you may still make a duplicate of the CD for use in the car! You will though still be allowed to copy non-copy protected CD's to your iPod.

The department says that if you fx buy a vinyl record, you don't have any expectations to play it in your CD player (!!!). They say that it should be seen the same way for music stored in digital formats, you're not allowed to port it to a different carrier.

Further the department proposes to make it illegal to down- and upload copyright protected materials and selling products and tools to crack copyrighted material.

Of course the reactions in Norway are of disbelieve. Creating a law which "criminalizes most people under 40". A law which doesn't make sense. Even known politicians who own a MP3 player speak of this disbelieve.

If this new law will be accepted, you will get a fine. Heavy rulebreakers can get up to 3 years of prison.

Like everywhere, the sales of MP3 player have also exploded in Norway. I wonder if Norway politicians become the next inquisitors. Some are obviously not living in this century and try to stop innovation and with that progress.

Would boom iTunes Music Store sales, though, if they had one in Norway...

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/n...ticle967813.ece

[demograph68]

That's bullshit. I wonder how you'd get caught though.

[Mafia]

lol if i was apple i'd get a store out in norway very soon. btw this is such crap once you own something you should be able to do with it what you please except to distribute it or sell the showing/listening of it.

[E's Lil Theorem]

Yup, pure BS. There was a similar bill that was proposed here in the States some time last year. Needless to say, it didn't get very far.

[philm]

Originally posted by macnavi:
The department says that if you fx buy a vinyl record, you don't have any expectations to play it in your CD player (!!!).

This line is pure gold. But then I noticed:

The needle of the Norelco Auto Mignon stays in the groove of our 45s, even when we drive over rough roads. But since there's no record changer, we must insert each record we want to play, then remove it when the song is over.

Link.

[olePigeon]

Someone needs to notify Norway that there's no such thing as a copy-proteced CD, it's not part of the specifications. That's why they're not allowed to use the "CD" and "Compact Disk" logos on their products.

So this law is moot since you're copying copy-protected digital music media and not CDs.

Originally posted by macnavi:
Fascinating news. Norway is about to make it a criminal act to copy copy-protected CD's you bought and own to any MP3 player. It's a proposition for a change of the law by the Ministery of Culture and Church (how can this be one department in modern times?). The following detail says a lot about people who made the proposition: you may still make a duplicate of the CD for use in the car! You will though still be allowed to copy non-copy protected CD's to your iPod.

The department says that if you fx buy a vinyl record, you don't have any expectations to play it in your CD player (!!!). They say that it should be seen the same way for music stored in digital formats, you're not allowed to port it to a different carrier.

Further the department proposes to make it illegal to down- and upload copyright protected materials and selling products and tools to crack copyrighted material.

Of course the reactions in Norway are of disbelieve. Creating a law which "criminalizes most people under 40". A law which doesn't make sense. Even known politicians who own a MP3 player speak of this disbelieve.

If this new law will be accepted, you will get a fine. Heavy rulebreakers can get up to 3 years of prison.

Like everywhere, the sales of MP3 player have also exploded in Norway. I wonder if Norway politicians become the next inquisitors. Some are obviously not living in this century and try to stop innovation and with that progress.

Would boom iTunes Music Store sales, though, if they had one in Norway...

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/n...ticle967813.ece

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by macnavi:
It's a proposition for a change of the law by the Ministery of Culture and Church

Why am I not surprised

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by olePigeon:
Someone needs to notify Norway that there's no such thing as a copy-proteced CD, it's not part of the specifications. That's why they're not allowed to use the "CD" and "Compact Disk" logos on their products.

Meh. Beat me to it.

[FulcrumPilot]

Another instance of an ipod closely connected to a criminal activity!! Time to ban the ipod, I tell ya!!

[macnavi]

Originally posted by olePigeon:
Someone needs to notify Norway that there's no such thing as a copy-proteced CD, it's not part of the specifications.

Actually, someone did. In the same article, Bjørn Remseth, "nestleder" (litterly next-leader, I think it's vice-president in English), points out that the departement mentions a proposition of copy protection on CD's. When there is copy protection on something that looks like a CD, it's not a CD anymore. This is what the musicbusiness themselves say. He says this proposition is meaningless.

I think it only shows more the incompentence of the departement and not being of this century. They're clearly no experts on the subject. But now they know, it's just a matter of changing the words to achieve the same with the bill.

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by macnavi:
It's a proposition for a change of the law by the Ministery of Culture and Church (how can this be one department in modern times?)

Sniff! Sniff!

Smells like political lounge to me where blessed Christian nations are everything Good...

Back on topic, I believe any country should be master of its own laws.

The market will tell what is required and maybe some original tech will come out of this.

And maybe not.

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by macnavi:
I think it only shows more the incompentence of the departement and not being of this century. They're clearly no experts on the subject. But now they now, it's just a matter of changing the words to achieve the same with the bill.

I sense a lot of Norwegians are going to avoid buying "CDs" which don't have the official sticker on them.

[gatekeeper]

Originally posted by E's Lil Theorem:
Yup, pure BS. There was a similar bill that was proposed here in the States some time last year. Needless to say, it didn't get very far.

Norway is simply implementing the new EU copyright directive - which is a copy of the DMCA. The DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent copy protection. In other words, that which soon will be illegal in Norway is already illegal here in the States.

[macnavi]

Originally posted by gatekeeper:
Norway is simply implementing the new EU copyright directive

Yeah, I saw that too. Which surprises me, because Norway isn't even part of the EU!

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by gatekeeper:
Norway is simply implementing the new EU copyright directive - which is a copy of the DMCA. The DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent copy protection. In other words, that which soon will be illegal in Norway is already illegal here in the States.

Bizarre. They vote to not join the EU then implement its rules anyways.

I guess I'd better stock up on SCMS strippers before they become illegal to sell if this is an EU thing.

[nbnz]

It's illegal in Australia already!
But no one takes any notice.

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by nbnz:
It's illegal in Australia already!
But no one takes any notice.

That title... "Ipod's illegal in Australia"...

Not only do we have the capital I due to the Word auto-correct feature, but we also have an apostrophe used to form a plural!

[lavar78]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
That title... "Ipod's illegal in Australia"...

Not only do we have the capital I due to the Word auto-correct feature, but we also have an apostrophe used to form a plural!

However, that's one of the very few instances where the mistake actually works. "iPod is illegal in Australia" isn't wrong (although an article preceding the first word would be preferable).