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Krypton · 07:52 AM

new iPods presumably?

JohnSmithXTREME · Feb 23, 2005, 06:50 AM

the anticipation!

Krypton · Feb 23, 2005, 06:53 AM

Hehe, well a thread such as this was bound to happen anyway, so might as well get it out of the way.

[Where are you from exactly in the UK Mr John Smith? A uni student too perhaps?]

JohnSmithXTREME · Feb 23, 2005, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Hehe, well a thread such as this was bound to happen anyway, so might as well get it out of the way.

[Where are you from exactly in the UK Mr John Smith? A uni student too perhaps?]

Yes, that's right. I'm up at Edinburgh, where we're enjoying some dreadfully bad weather today.

davidflas · Feb 23, 2005, 07:02 AM

but what's even worse is that......

iLikebeer · Feb 23, 2005, 07:05 AM

How does the Australian Apple store manage to have a 6 digit phone number? Do residences have extra digits in their #'s.
Just wondering.

Kenneth · Feb 23, 2005, 07:06 AM

OMG!! <-- so unnecessary.

AssassyN · Feb 23, 2005, 07:09 AM

What about us fools that bought an iPod mini for their girlfriend for Valentine's Day. Boy it stings to have this happen...

beb · Feb 23, 2005, 07:09 AM

That was a good movie. Although the talking rabbits scared me a little.

ManOfSteal · Feb 23, 2005, 07:12 AM

effgee · Feb 23, 2005, 07:12 AM

New Powerbooks - finally!!1!

PurpleGiant · Feb 23, 2005, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by iLikebeer:
How does the Australian Apple store manage to have a 6 digit phone number? Do residences have extra digits in their #'s.
Just wondering.

6 digit '13' numbers are available for purchase over here for insane amounts of money. Well, more than 1300 xxx xxx or 1800 xxx xxx numbers anyway.

Just like directory services are often 4 digit numbers (1234, 12456 etc), six digit numbers are for companies with some $$ to spend on their number.

Krypton · Feb 23, 2005, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by Kenneth:
OMG!! <-- so unnecessary.

Duh, that was the point

[You should visit Ars more often

]

iLikebeer · Feb 23, 2005, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by PurpleGiant:
6 digit '13' numbers are available for purchase over here for insane amounts of money. Well, more than 1300 xxx xxx or 1800 xxx xxx numbers anyway.

Just like directory services are often 4 digit numbers (1234, 12456 etc), six digit numbers are for companies with some $$ to spend on their number.

Cool, didn't know that. I thought #'s were actually getting longer for the most part. I don't think I've ever seen anything besides directory services or 911 numbers that were less than XXX XXX XXXX.

beb · Feb 23, 2005, 07:28 AM

The Color Classic is back! Yahoo!

Krypton · Feb 23, 2005, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by JohnSmithXTREME:
Yes, that's right. I'm up at Edinburgh, where we're enjoying some dreadfully bad weather today.

Yes we have that too in Loughborough, non stop on-off snow and blinding sunshine.

Xeo · Feb 23, 2005, 07:35 AM

Smaller iPod photo. Nice. Cheaper big one too. I want one now! (but i wont...)

edit: lol, a bunch of the images are still broken. I guess it came back up too fast.

ajprice · Feb 23, 2005, 07:36 AM

ajprice has been temporarily distracted by beb's sig, normal service will be resumed as soon as the original image has been linked to

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mitchell_pgh · Feb 23, 2005, 07:37 AM

two sizes of iPod mini... 4gb and 6gb

Xeo · Feb 23, 2005, 07:38 AM

Cheaper iPods all around, mini at $200 finally. The 40 gigger at $300. Sweet. (edit: awww, it's only the B&W 20 Gigger. I guess they are phasing out the regular iPods in favor of iPod photos. I hope we get a name change when the B&W finally goes away for good.

B&W, 20GB for $300 or Color 30GB for $350. Seems like a no brainer.

mitchell_pgh · Feb 23, 2005, 07:43 AM

Apple is really playing the "bait and switch" mentality of many people...

iPod shuffle 512 = $99

or for $50 more

iPod shuffle 1GB (twice as much memory!) = $149

or for $50 more

iPod mini 4GB (four times the memory and a screen!)

or for $50 more

iPod mini 6GB (another 2GB!)

or for $50 more

iPod (with a 20 GB Drive!!!)

or for $50 more

iPod (with 10 more GB and a color screen!!!)

OreoCookie · Feb 23, 2005, 07:48 AM

Noooooo!!
They discontinued the color I wanted! Gold! No more gold! Aaaaaaaah! I was so close to buying one.

Xeo · Feb 23, 2005, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Apple is really playing the "bait and switch" mentality of many people...

iPod shuffle 512 = $99

or for $50 more

iPod shuffle 1GB (twice as much memory!) = $149

or for $50 more

iPod mini 4GB (four times the memory and a screen!)

or for $50 more

iPod mini 6GB (another 2GB!)

or for $50 more

iPod (with a 20 GB Drive!!!)

or for $50 more

iPod (with 10 more GB and a color screen!!!)

You are right, but they have so many different flavors that they can't really do much more with the pricing. I'm sure they are holding off on some specs just to keep it reasonable.

Personally I think the iPod 40GB B&W should be $300 now. It should have more room than the color above it. Otherwise the B&W should just be cancelled. It has no features that are better than the iPod photo at all.

One could argue that each of the other iPods has their own merits. But yeah, it's a marketing thing for sure.

However, I wouldn't describe it as bait and switch.

mitchell_pgh · Feb 23, 2005, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
However, I wouldn't describe it as bait and switch.

Actually, bait and switch is a sales tactic, not an advertising tactic... but you know what I mean. I'm sure many people will be walking in looking to buy a $99 shuffle and walking out with a mini. I doubt it's going to go the other way.

:-) but who knows?

Krypton · Feb 23, 2005, 07:58 AM

The mini now has 18 hours of battery life versus the iPod's 12.

My green mini feels soooooooo old. sob

Twilly Spree · Feb 23, 2005, 08:03 AM

Looks like the gold iPod mini has become a limited edition.

Coincidentally gold would have been my last choice of mini colors. Green then pink then blue then silver then gold.

I got a green iPod mini.. now that blue one would look nice in my pocket. Still, I have less than 2GBs on my iPod so I don't really need a new one

Twilly Spree · Feb 23, 2005, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
The mini now has 18 hours of battery life versus the iPod's 12.

My green mini feels soooooooo old. sob

Can't we just have the battery replaced? Must be the same size and same voltage..

Krypton · Feb 23, 2005, 08:06 AM

Firewire cable sold separately on the mini too.

Times they are a changing

Oneota · Feb 23, 2005, 08:23 AM

Did they drop the 40 GB B&W altogether? Or am I just blind?

Kenneth · Feb 23, 2005, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Firewire cable sold separately on the mini too.

Times they are a changing

I guess USB 2.0 is everywhere by now and Mac users have some extra Firewire cables around somewhere.

I never stepped foot on Ars forum.

d4nth3m4n · Feb 23, 2005, 08:25 AM

wait, the 30gb photo is just as thick as the 60gb photo? that sucks. seems they dropped the ball on that one.

noone will probably even notice.

Twilly Spree · Feb 23, 2005, 08:26 AM

USB has won ..

Whodathunkit

mitchell_pgh · Feb 23, 2005, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Firewire cable sold separately on the mini too.

Times they are a changing

Is the USB 2 cable included?

We should thank HP for starting this lovely trend... I remember working at Best Buy when 1/2 of their boxes had them and 1/2 didn't.

ajprice · Feb 23, 2005, 08:36 AM

UK Prices are up at the store now:

iPod shuffle:
512Mb �69, 1GB �99

iPod mini:
4Gb �139, 6Gb �169

iPod mono screen:
20GB �209, 20GB U2 �249

iPod photo:
30GB �249, 60GB �309

So my 40GB mono screen bought last August (I bought it before the photo models came out, it was the top iPod at the timeisn't available any more, but �10 more than what I paid could get me a 60GB iPod photo now. The same goes for these prices though:

�69, �99, �139, �169, �209, �249, �309.

Evenly spread price points from �69 to �309, nice!

Goldfinger · Feb 23, 2005, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Firewire cable sold separately on the mini too.

Times they are a changing

That fcking sucks. Seriously. I do think I may replace my mini with a 6GB mini just for the battery but separate FW ? That's just stupid, I dont want to pay �19 for a stupid cable. I could try to sell my mini without the FW but I don't know if that will work.

EDIT: it doesn't even come with an AC adaptor, now that sucks.

Twilly Spree · Feb 23, 2005, 08:42 AM

Funny + ironic when Mac users are being screwed by Apple because of PeeCee users and their USB stupidity.

I'm assuming a USB cable is included - you'll need something to connect the iPod to a computer.

typoon · 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Twilly Spree:
Funny + ironic when Mac users are being screwed by Apple because of PeeCee users and their USB stupidity.

I'm assuming a USB cable is included - you'll need something to connect the iPod to a computer.

Yes it comes with a USB2 cable. I'm glad I got my iPod Photo before this. Now back to putting more music on it...

They should have included that cable they sell that has both Firewire and USB2 End on it.

That iPod Photo Camera connector is very compelling though. I'll be picking one of those up when it comes out.

FulcrumPilot · Feb 23, 2005, 10:11 AM

Anyone seen or heard from Mr. Sim Wong Hoo yet?

typoon · Feb 23, 2005, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by FulcrumPilot:
Anyone seen or heard from Mr. Sim Wong Hoo yet?

Hoo? just kidding. I wonder what Everyone is going to say now with these price drops.

OreoCookie · Feb 23, 2005, 10:24 AM

Now an upgrade is getting interesting: a camera adapter for 29 � �_hmmm, downloads the pics automatically to the iPod.

E's Lil Theorem · Feb 23, 2005, 10:24 AM

The 60GB iPod photo went from $599 to $449. The three people that bought the $599 version must be pissed.

AppleOptionFour · Feb 23, 2005, 10:27 AM

New colors? What the hell. Come on Steve lets get some real colors out there.

These colors were just too manly I guess.

Apple Pro Underwear · Feb 23, 2005, 10:45 AM

includes:

Includes
Belt Clip
Apple Earphones
USB 2.0 cable

so how do you charge it? usb 2.0?

Twilly Spree · Feb 23, 2005, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
includes:

Includes
Belt Clip
Apple Earphones
USB 2.0 cable

so how do you charge it? usb 2.0?

Through the USB2.

I can't help feel that Apple is throwing away the lubrication for its Mac customers. Only a year ago most Macs didn't have USB2

vexborg · Feb 23, 2005, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Yes we have that too in Loughborough, non stop on-off snow and blinding sunshine.

Hehe... That's the same here. just halfway between Glasgow and Edinburgh - Newhouse Industrial Estate at the M8 (A8 actually)

kemuri · Feb 23, 2005, 10:54 AM

I can't seem to get to Apple's site. Do these have the color screen?

Thanks.

typoon · Feb 23, 2005, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by kemuri:
I can't seem to get to Apple's site. Do these have the color screen?

Thanks.

The new Mini's? No doesn't look like it.

Xeo · Feb 23, 2005, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
so how do you charge it? usb 2.0?

Yep, same as the shuffle.

I'm disappointed that we don't have firewire as an option. On the plus note, it could mean they are planning to go FW800 on the Mac.

I dunno, I'm sure they just didn't want to worry about having two sets of stock.

Oneota, yeah I think they ditched all but the 20GB B&W version (the most popular size) and will likely ditch that for a color version when certain conditions are met. Methings B&W will be a mini only thing in the not-so-distant future.

hayesk · Feb 23, 2005, 11:23 AM

I can't understand the whining over the lack of a FW cable.

Apple lowered the prices $50. A FW cable and AC adapter cost $48.

If you want the adapter and cable you now save $2 over what you would pay yesterday.

If you don't want either of those two items, you save even more $$.

Where is the downside here? I'm not getting why people are whining.

AssassyN · Feb 23, 2005, 11:28 AM

^ Because complaints are a necessity on a new product release, dur!

Kidding, but seriously, it's not *that* big of a deal, it's just Apple leaning heavily towards Windows-based users (good call, bring 'em over here) by including USB only. Also, the lack of an AC adapter was strictly a cost savings decision...I personally ALWAYS use my FireWire cable connected to my PC or Mac to charge my iPod. My AC adapter is still wrapped in that thin plastic actually, but my g/f ONLY uses the AC adapter to charge her 1G mini, so I guess it depends on preference whether it would bother one much or not. It's not THAT big of a downfall though b/c ppl's main complaint is "vacations! road trips! I need a power adapter!" in which you'd probably buy a car charger anyway.