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demograph68 · Mar 30, 2005, 03:11 AM

Anyone here ever tried killing themselves? Not just think about it but actually try it? Why is it so hard?

badidea · Mar 30, 2005, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
Why is it so hard?

Because you (as every human) are not supposed to be able to do it - so stop it immediately!!!!!!!!!
If you don't like your life, that doesn't mean that you have to end it - just change it! Go somewhere and help people who have a worse life than yours!!

demograph68 · Mar 30, 2005, 03:21 AM

I'm not the noble one to save others less fortunate.

badidea · Mar 30, 2005, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
I'm not the noble one to save others less fortunate.

So?? That's why I said that you have to change your life and not end it! You're a lot better than most of those pissheads posting on this board!

Goldfinger · Mar 30, 2005, 04:30 AM

Change your lifestyle, seriously.

effgee · Mar 30, 2005, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
Anyone here ever tried killing themselves? Not just think about it but actually try it? Why is it so hard?

Because it most likely is going to be a rather painful experience?
Because there's no "undo"?
Because every fiber in your body revolts at the mere thought of causing those who love you (family, friends, spouse, etc.) insufferable pain?

And whoa - hold on just a minute - before one decides to kill oneself, it might just be a good idea to talk to someone. Depending on personal preference one could either talk to a friend or - if that's too difficult/painful - a total stranger (e.g. some kind of hotline staffed with knowledgeable people who have been in similar situations).

Let me ask you this - why would one want to kill him-/herself in the first place?

roberto blanco · Mar 30, 2005, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
Not just think about it but actually try it? Why is it so hard?

because you obviously want to live...that's why!

now go and rob a bank + enjoy life!

Tyler McAdams · Mar 30, 2005, 04:46 AM

Depending on the kind of stress you put yourself under, your belief system (such as the Japanese) and what you expect out of life and yourself you might actually consider death more often... but to many western people the idea of killing oneself is rather unpopular... no matter how worthless the person tends to be, it does not matter.

Killing oneself can be honorable but that is not justification to run away from life when every now and then things get tough. I personally have a fascination with death and what I mean by that is trying to understand what it must be like from a scientific stand point and a spiritual one.

AKcrab · Mar 30, 2005, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
Why is it so hard?

It's not hard, but most of the people trying it make a half-assed attempt because what they *really* want is attention, not death.

effgee · Mar 30, 2005, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
Killing oneself can be honorable but ...

Not that this would actually be a thought I'm pondering on a regular basis but I'm curious nonetheless. Off the top of my head I can't think of a single instance where I'd consider the act of someone killing him-/herself to be an honorable thing - care to share an example?

Tyler McAdams · Mar 30, 2005, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by AKcrab:
what they *really* want is attention, not death.

And we would have to agree that your life needs attention if that's what you feel you need to do to get attention.

Tyler McAdams · Mar 30, 2005, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by effgee:
Not that this would actually be a thought I'm pondering on a regular basis but I'm curious nonetheless. Off the top of my head I can't think of a single instance where I'd consider the act of someone killing him-/herself to be an honorable thing - care to share an example?

In Japan some instances that would bring dishonor to you or others by situations that involve you or your actions demand death. A ceremony in fact where you kill yourself instead of bringing shame by living a dishonorable life. It's refered to as "Seppuku".

effgee · Mar 30, 2005, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
In Japan some instances that would bring dishonor to you or others by situations that involve you or your actions demand death. A ceremony in fact where you kill yourself instead of bringing shame by living a dishonorable life. It's refered to as "Seppuku".

Well yeah - I have heard of that tradition, of course. Personally though, methinks this seems rather closely related to the whole "saving face" thing, which I (again, this my being my personal pov and without trying to be disrespectful) find to be the exact opposite of honorable.

Trying to escape responsibility (and/or saving others from potential embrarassment) by killing oneself sounds more like an act of cowardice than anything else to me.

Tyler McAdams · Mar 30, 2005, 05:17 AM

I agree that it is a bit over the top... in fact you really did not have much of a choice in the matter in my opinion which really brings in to question if it is truly Suicide since the culture demands that you end your life for such things. It's not like you deserve death in the western pov... like you killed somebody in cold blood... this is more like your clan gets beaten by another samurai clan and they give you the "opportunity" to end your life with honor instead of living with the "shame of defeat".

OreoCookie · Mar 30, 2005, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
In Japan some instances that would bring dishonor to you or others by situations that involve you or your actions demand death. A ceremony in fact where you kill yourself instead of bringing shame by living a dishonorable life. It's refered to as "Seppuku".

Seppuku takes a lot of guts. Especially when you know that Japanese are more sensitive to pain than Westerners (my friends who are doctors told me so).

ajprice · Mar 30, 2005, 05:50 AM

If you feel like you want to kill yourself, don't. Just look at Michael Jackson and think to yourself "Well at least I'm not as f***ed as you!

". You feel much better afterwards.

Tyler McAdams · Mar 30, 2005, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by OreoCookie:
Seppuku takes a lot of guts. Especially when you know that Japanese are more sensitive to pain than Westerners (my friends who are doctors told me so).

I would imagine that it does. A strict faith in fact that you are doing the right thing.

demograph68 · Mar 30, 2005, 07:15 AM

I now feel ashamed for bringing it up. I really didn't intend on gaining any attention. Last night I was feeling different. (Considering that I stopped taking my meds abruptly.)

ManOfSteal · Mar 30, 2005, 07:26 AM

What an uplifting thread to start off my day...

Tyler McAdams · Mar 30, 2005, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
I now feel ashamed for bringing it up. I really didn't intend on gaining any attention. Last night I was feeling different. (Considering that I stopped taking my meds abruptly.)

Why feel ashamed? it's an interesting subject.

effgee · Mar 30, 2005, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
I now feel ashamed for bringing it up. I really didn't intend on gaining any attention. Last night I was feeling different. (Considering that I stopped taking my meds abruptly.)

Meh - why would you feel ashamed for talking about how you feel/felt last night? No cause for emabarassment whatsoever.

Mafia · Mar 30, 2005, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by ManOfSteal:
What an uplifting thread to start off my day...

my thoughts exactly,
demo...buy a couple of these http://www.toypresidents.com/ theyw ould definitely cheer me up.

ghporter · Mar 30, 2005, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
I now feel ashamed for bringing it up. I really didn't intend on gaining any attention. Last night I was feeling different. (Considering that I stopped taking my meds abruptly.)

Stoping meds abruptly is a BAD THING. I got no end of lectures when I told my doctor that I'd missed a dose of Wellbutrin once because I was too busy to notice that med time had come and gone.

NEVER just stop; ALWAYS consult your doctor BEFORE making ANY CHANGE in medications. I had to continue the meds for the full six-month regimen of treatment, even though my symptoms were controled and then eliminated in only about two months, just because of the possibility of problems like what you've experienced. This kind of thing is very touchy, as you have probably noticed. Now go see your doctor and tell him/her about your experience.

Zimphire · Mar 30, 2005, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by effgee:
Not that this would actually be a thought I'm pondering on a regular basis but I'm curious nonetheless. Off the top of my head I can't think of a single instance where I'd consider the act of someone killing him-/herself to be an honorable thing - care to share an example?

The only time I can think of is, taking your own life to save anothers.

But I am not so sure that is even comparable.

Zimphire · Mar 30, 2005, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
(Considering that I stopped taking my meds abruptly.)

Well don't do that anymore.

If you are feeling good and don't think you need the meds anymore, well it's usually the meds that are making you feel good.

Demonhood · Mar 30, 2005, 12:26 PM

about a year back i read an article about people who had jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. every single one of them said, at the moment they stepped off the edge, the thought "life wasn't really that bad. what have i done?" raced thru their now regretful mind.

AB^2=BCxAC · Mar 30, 2005, 12:36 PM

Bottom line: if you need help with suicide prevention, don't be afraid to ask for it until you get it.

Everyone, let's please try to not turn this into a thread the FBI combs over because one of you gets in trouble.

budster101 · Mar 30, 2005, 12:39 PM

First, start taking your meds immediately. Call your doctor and tell him you stopped, and will resume, as he'll have some advice for your I'm certain.

Now tell yourself, your feelings are not permanent, and they will pass. Keep telling yourself, it will pass, and do something that you enjoy.

To answer your question of why it is so hard?

It's hard because it is so permanent. You can't just stop and change your mind in many cases. It also takes great courage to ignore those feelings and not let them take over.

I have faith in you.

wdlove · Mar 30, 2005, 12:39 PM

I have never tried to commit suicide.

With most individuals it is a call for help. You should talk to someone that your trust.

JHromadka · Mar 30, 2005, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Demonhood:
about a year back i read an article about people who had jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. every single one of them said, at the moment they stepped off the edge, the thought "life wasn't really that bad. what have i done?" raced thru their now regretful mind.

Did you hear about that documentary that someone is doing based on SF GGB jumpers? He setup cameras for a year and filmed them, then went to their families and got permission for their stories.

As for the original question, no and no.