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budster101 · 09:44 AM

Caveat: I started this new thread so people could share their thoughts on her death, and not the controversy of the family v. husband etc.

CD Hanks · Mar 31, 2005, 09:07 AM

She's been dead a while.

(I'm going to hell. I know.)

Sealobo · Mar 31, 2005, 09:11 AM

finally RIP.

happy for her.

Goldfinger · Mar 31, 2005, 09:12 AM

Finally.

Millennium · Mar 31, 2005, 09:13 AM

Rest in peace, Terri. I hope this was what you wanted, since there's no correcting our guess now.

RAILhead · Mar 31, 2005, 09:13 AM

Nothing like being slowly starved to death. God have mercy on their souls.

Maury

waxcrash · Mar 31, 2005, 09:15 AM

Did a new thread have to be created for this? What was wrong with the other one?

chabig · Mar 31, 2005, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Nothing like being slowly starved to death.

We don't even do this to death row criminals, nor would the courts allow it.

Chris

zizban · Mar 31, 2005, 09:20 AM

It was a very sad situation for all involved. Rest in peace.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 31, 2005, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by RAILhead:

Nothing like being slowly starved to death. God have mercy on their souls.

Maury

Makes me wonder why God would put her in the brain dead condition she was in only to have her suffer for 15 years. Sounds to me like humans did the right thing by pulling the plug.

JHromadka · Mar 31, 2005, 09:23 AM

I hope her family will be able to move on. It was a no-win situation for everyone involved.

zigzag · Mar 31, 2005, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by chabig:
We don't even do this to death row criminals, nor would the courts allow it.

Chris

We do it every day to people in her condition, and both the law and the courts allow it.

zigzag · Mar 31, 2005, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Rest in peace, Terri. I hope this was what you wanted, since there's no correcting our guess now.

A guess is like a toss of the coin. This wasn't a guess.

awaspaas · Mar 31, 2005, 09:28 AM

I imagine her death will be appealed as well.

Mar 31, 2005, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Makes me wonder why God would put her in the brain dead condition she was in only to have her suffer for 15 years. Sounds to me like humans did the right thing by pulling the plug.

She would have died 15 years ago if humans hadn't interfered with God's will by keeping her alive.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 31, 2005, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Nick:
She would have died 15 years ago if humans hadn't interfered with God's will by keeping her alive.

Wow, so humans are more powerful than God eh.

budster101 · Mar 31, 2005, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by waxcrash:
Did a new thread have to be created for this? What was wrong with the other one?

Yes, I thought so, so I created one. A sort of cleansing thread to get this off of our collective chests, and put that "other" thread behind us.

I'll caveate my initial post to address the issue you brought up.

Mar 31, 2005, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Wow, so humans are more powerful than God eh.

Apparently

Unless you believe God controls everything completely, in which case it was his will for the courts to make this rulling.

Anyway, it's sad to hear that she has died, but hopefully her death was peaceful and painless. RIP

Millennium · Mar 31, 2005, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by zigzag:
A guess is like a toss of the coin. This wasn't a guess.

Given the untrustworthiness of everyone involved, a guess is precisely what it amounts to.

budster101 · Mar 31, 2005, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Wow, so humans are more powerful than God eh.

For someone who doesn't believe in God and enjoys telling everyone so often, you sure do refer to him alot.

von Wrangell · Mar 31, 2005, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Given the untrustworthiness of everyone involved, a guess is precisely what it amounts to.

The doctors were untrustworthy?

budster101 · Mar 31, 2005, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by von Wrangell:
The doctors were untrustworthy?

Jesus: This wasn't a thread to discuss the controversy... just that she has died.

Edit: Screw it...

And, yes, the doctors that had said she was PVS had an agenda too. Just look at their past and you'll find they believe in Euthenasia for Althseimers(sp), etc...

zigzag · Mar 31, 2005, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Given the untrustworthiness of everyone involved, a guess is precisely what it amounts to.

But the "untrustworthiness of everyone involved" is not a given. I have no specific knowledge that Terri Schiavo's sister-in-law (and reportedly her best friend) is untrustworthy - do you?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 31, 2005, 10:00 AM

The woman was brain-dead for 15 years. She was probably has moments of consciousness, and I can't imagine how horrible it would have been for her.

Her parents obviously can't let go so they extended the suffering not to mention wasting a TON of money and a hospital bed. The money pissed away on this should have been donated to some fund which could help prevent or cure this sort of incidents.

The CNN home page makes things even more dramatic by showing a picture of her healthy 15 years ago so it seems more "How could they" that the plug was pulled. They should show her the vegetable she was when they did it.

andi*pandi · Mar 31, 2005, 10:13 AM

RIP terri. and may we never have to discuss this again.

Fill out your living wills, people.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 31, 2005, 10:18 AM

"Their faith in God remains consistent and strong," he said. "They are absolutely convinced God loves Terri more than they do."

I am not following.

Either they totally pretending to be religious or they are selfish.
If they really do believe in God and heaven than why wouldn't they be excited about there daughter is going to live in a paradise with God and presumably not be a drooling vegetable in bed.

Or

They don't really believe in heaven and want to keep what they have left of their daughter on earth no matter how much suffering she is in.

Mar 31, 2005, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
The CNN home page makes things even more dramatic by showing a picture of her healthy 15 years ago so it seems more "How could they" that the plug was pulled. They should show her the vegetable she was when they did it.

I didn't get that impression. I thought it was nice that they showed her at her best, since it's somewhat like an obituary.

Cody Dawg · Mar 31, 2005, 10:26 AM

Rest in peace, Terri. I hope this was what you wanted, since there's no correcting our guess now.

Hear, hear, Millenium.

I hope that people post at this thread from now on. Let the other one RIP.

RAILhead · Mar 31, 2005, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by andi*pandi:
RIP terri. and may we never have to discuss this again.

Fill out your living wills, people.

That's for freaking sure. It's amazing how many don't have a standard will, much less a living will. At $19.95 each, there's no reason not to...

LegacyWriter.com

Maury

RAILhead · Mar 31, 2005, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
"Their faith in God remains consistent and strong," he said. "They are absolutely convinced God loves Terri more than they do."

I am not following.

Either they totally pretending to be religious or they are selfish.
If they really do believe in God and heaven than why wouldn't they be excited about there daughter is going to live in a paradise with God and presumably not be a drooling vegetable in bed.

Or

They don't really believe in heaven and want to keep what they have left of their daughter on earth no matter how much suffering she is in.

You make no sense. How does them stating their faith is consistent and strong and that God loves Terri more than them suddenly jump to them not being "excited" about her going to Heaven?

I'm a devout Christ Follower and so is my family, but when my Dad dies, I won't be doing Cartwheels Of Excitement -- I'll be grieving for my personal loss and that grief will be soothed knowing that he is in Heaven.

Maury

spatterson · Mar 31, 2005, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
The woman was brain-dead for 15 years. She was probably has moments of consciousness, and I can't imagine how horrible it would have been for her.

Her parents obviously can't let go so they extended the suffering not to mention wasting a TON of money and a hospital bed. The money pissed away on this should have been donated to some fund which could help prevent or cure this sort of incidents.

The CNN home page makes things even more dramatic by showing a picture of her healthy 15 years ago so it seems more "How could they" that the plug was pulled. They should show her the vegetable she was when they did it.

You hit the nail on the head! Thank you!

I hope that she has finally found peace. Perhaps her parents and husband can finally put this behind them and live more of a normal life.

Cody Dawg · Mar 31, 2005, 10:35 AM

It is significant that both President Bush and Jeb Bush only wished "the Schindlers" their condolences.

President Bush even said, "The presumption should always be in favor of life."

spatterson · Mar 31, 2005, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by RAILhead:
I'm a devout Christ Follower and so is my family, but when my Dad dies, I won't be doing Cartwheels Of Excitement -- I'll be grieving for my personal loss and that grief will be soothed knowing that he is in Heaven.

Maury

But would your really want to put yourself and the individual on that bed in torment for 15 years. This is a case of simply not being able to accept someone's reality.

Whats scary about this whole situation is that I know if I was to become in a state like Mrs. Schiavo today... my mother would fight tooth and nail to have me hooked up to some state of the art machine for 20 years. Where my father would know that I would not want to live in a state like that. Thank god for living wills!

itai195 · Mar 31, 2005, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
It is significant that both President Bush and Jeb Bush only wished "the Schindlers" their condolences.

President Bush even said, "The presumption should always be in favor of life."

It's significant only if you give a crap about what George and Jeb have to say about it.

Fortunately I don't. RIP Terri, and sorry for turning your final days into a political charade.

spatterson · Mar 31, 2005, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
It is significant that both President Bush and Jeb Bush only wished "the Schindlers" their condolences.

Thanks to our greedy media. Making this case so embarrassing for Michael and Mrs. Schiavo's parents.

Seriously how many cases just like this one exist in the United States Today? Is the Bush family going to save everyone of them?

MacNStein · Mar 31, 2005, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by budster101:
For someone who doesn't believe in God and enjoys telling everyone so often, you sure do refer to him alot.

C'mon, you know better than to feed the troll.

RIP Terri. Though, if someone actually had a pair, they would have smothered you with a pillow rather than let you starve to death.

mattyd · Mar 31, 2005, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Wow, so humans are more powerful than God eh.

Sure. Collectively, humans ARE God.

Or I should say that God is an invention of humanity. Not the other way around. God is what we make of him or her or it or them.

I hope that Terri and her family finally find some peace.

von Wrangell · Mar 31, 2005, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
C'mon, you know better than to feed the troll.

RIP Terri. Though, if someone actually had a pair, they would have smothered you with a pillow rather than starve you to death.

Why is it that you guys try to make it sound like "starving her to death" was such a bad thing? She didn't feel anything, she didn't know it was happening and it let nature do it's thing instead of actually actively killing her. It was a natural and peaceful way for her to go.

MacNStein · Mar 31, 2005, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by von Wrangell:
Why is it that you guys try to make it sound like "starving her to death" was such a bad thing? She didn't feel anything, she didn't know it was happening and it let nature do it's thing instead of actually actively killing her. It was a natural and peaceful way for her to go.

That's the theory, but we don't know that for a fact. If it were my parent, sister, or spouse, I would have snapped their neck rather than run the risk.

Zimphire · Mar 31, 2005, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Makes me wonder why God would put her in the brain dead condition she was in only to have her suffer for 15 years.

If you wonder, it's only because of your own ignorance. You've gotten it explained to you many times in here from many different people.

Stop being a troll.

mattyd · Mar 31, 2005, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by von Wrangell:
Why is it that you guys try to make it sound like "starving her to death" was such a bad thing? She didn't feel anything, she didn't know it was happening and it let nature do it's thing instead of actually actively killing her. It was a natural and peaceful way for her to go.

And why is it that our culture is so afraid of death -- like "death" is the boogeyman in a horror movie to be run from and avoided at all costs? Death is not the opposite of life. Death is the natural progression of all life. Life, death, rebirth. Creation, destruction, rejuvination. Eastern cultures, like Hindus, celebrate and worship the gods who destroy and take things away as equally as those who create and provide.

Each and every one of us is going to die sooner or later. If we stop fearing and resisting the inevitable, we're more likely to enjoy and appreciate the time we have here.

ASIMO · Mar 31, 2005, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by RAILhead:

Nothing like being slowly starved to death.

Pray tell, what is it like? Particularly as a brain-damaged person.

God have mercy on their souls.

Bush & Co. have bigger things to worry about when they reach that point.

mattyd · Mar 31, 2005, 10:57 AM

sorry double post

DeathMan · Mar 31, 2005, 11:00 AM

I'm just glad that we finally have two of these threads instead of just the one.

SubGeniux · Mar 31, 2005, 11:12 AM

Starved to death? I thought she was given morphine during her last days on this ****-heap of a world?

Rest easy, Terri.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 31, 2005, 11:13 AM

How did she get into the situation she was in anyway? I heard it was an eating disorder that caused the collapse.

von Wrangell · Mar 31, 2005, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
That's the theory, but we don't know that for a fact. If it were my parent, sister, or spouse, I would have snapped their neck rather than run the risk.

She suffered from 70-90% atrophy of the upper brain. She wouldn't respond to any checks of consciousness nor pain stimuli. That is why it isn't a theory but a fact.

Busemann · Mar 31, 2005, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by RAILhead:

Nothing like being slowly starved to death. God have mercy on their souls.

Maury

I think it's as good an argument for euthanasia as any.

"Oh I'm sorry, we won't allow your family to legally suicide you with the use of medication but however we will slowly let you starve and dehydrate to death"

budster101 · Mar 31, 2005, 11:15 AM

Michael Schiavo told her parents and family they cannot be present when Terri died...

What a scumbag.

OptimusG4 · Mar 31, 2005, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
How did she get into the situation she was in anyway? I heard it was an eating disorder that caused the collapse.

Her husband said she was bulimic which caused a potasium deficiency which in turn caused her to collapse.