[Eug Wanker]

[ManOfSteal]

Painful.

[Eug Wanker]

Ohhhh baby, work it!!!

[historylme]

That is serious

[kikkoman]

what did japan do to china that was soo bad?

[nredman]

Originally Posted by kikkoman

what did japan do to china that was soo bad?

NO PSP FOR YOU!!!

[mitchell_pgh]

CNN is notorious for having horrible photos with their articles.

[cruciarius]

Originally Posted by nredman

NO PSP FOR YOU!!!

i want no PSP too! cause DS is superior!

i don't think i want to know what that guy is doing, below the camera.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by kikkoman

what did japan do to china that was soo bad?

According to the article, World War II.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

CNN is notorious for having horrible photos with their articles.

This one's from the Globe and Mail.

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by kikkoman

what did japan do to china that was soo bad?

Not much recently, but back in the day... there was that massacre where japanese soldiers raped, tortured and killed about 300,000 chinese citizens... Anyone remember the context to this? My history is a bit fuzzy. Their history has always been quite quarelsome.

[analogika]

Google the Nanking Massacre (or Nanjing Massacre).

300,000 is about right - in the space of a few days.

There was a huge brou-ha-ha in Japan over the first Japanese schoolbook - a history textbook - that even *mentioned* it, back in 1993.

Cause for the current Chinese outrage is another Japanese textbook that makes the Japanese policy before 1945 sound like a lot less than the racist colonialist attitude of exploitation and extermination/abuse of those lower lifeforms known as gaijin, that it was.

As much as I love Japan and its people; in this case, I have absolutely no sympathy.

[itistoday]

Originally Posted by analogika

Google the Nanking Massacre (or Nanjing Massacre).

300,000 is about right - in the space of a few days.

There was a huge brou-ha-ha in Japan over the first Japanese schoolbook - a history textbook - that even *mentioned* it, back in 1993.

Cause for the current Chinese outrage is another Japanese textbook that makes the Japanese policy before 1945 sound like a lot less than the racist colonialist attitude of exploitation and extermination/abuse of those lower lifeforms known as gaijin, that it was.

As much as I love Japan and its people; in this case, I have absolutely no sympathy.

Thanks for refreshing my memory (funny how I remembered that number but not the name). It really was one of the most brutal events in history. I wonder how it's discussed today in Japanese schools (if at all).

[budster101]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Ripley's Believe It or Not arrived just in time to whitness the world's most people sneezing at once... and the sale of the most boxes of tissues in the same day.

[historylme]

I remember reading some articles on this. Japanese soldiers would have decapitation contest... some of these gain national fame because of this. As for treatment of women, it's comparable to the Nazis. There are photos of their mutilated body parts and how sadistically popular it was for the J. soldiers.

A horrible time for sure. The worst thing, every country does this. Let's point the finger back home... e.g Race riots of the turn of the century, treatment (and ongoing) treatment of Native Americans, and there more... all this is quite known and yet we hardly learn of all the atrocities committed by the U.S. growing up.

Anyway, back on topic. The Chinese have a right to be angry, but there has to be a degree of forgiveness and acceptance, otherwise, if this continues... well, we know what the history of men tells us, death and suffering will follow.

[andretan]

The hoo-haa's all because of Japan publishing textbooks that try to cover up their inhumane acts during WW2 and the Chinese (and Korean, and almost everyone who's Asian) are all pissed because of that.

So they start burning Japanese flags, trashing Japanese stores and their products, and even their local shops who stock Japanese products.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by kikkoman

what did japan do to china that was soo bad?

They invaded China and murdered thousands of people.

[wdlove]

I like the picture, a very vocal type of young man.

[Ghoser777]

Only wdlove...

[KeriVit]

Originally Posted by wdlove

I like the picture, a very vocal type of young man.

Oh- Dubya- you're the best!

[subego]

Originally Posted by wdlove

I like the picture, a very vocal type of young man.

Yup, it gave me three of 'em.

[MilkmanDan]

Originally Posted by olePigeon

They invaded China and murdered thousands of people.

Replace thousands with millions.

[willed]

Originally Posted by olePigeon

They invaded China and murdered thousands of people.

and then referred to the massacre simply as an 'incident' in their text books

[Apple Pro Underwear]

i'm technically chinese:

those morons have more shyt to worry about than this. they are so stupid and brainwashed and stubborn about the wrong things that i liken chinese natives to 12 yr olds.

[analogika]

slightly more in-depth discussion in the political forum:

http://forums.macnn.com/95/political-war-lounge/252322/tensions-between-china-and-japan-rise/

[macintologist]

What about China's own massacres and human rights record? Why aren't they protesting their own government over that? What about Tiananmen? And Tibet?

****ing morons

[ghporter]

Imperial Japan invaded China (while China was completely befuddled by internal chaos and civil war due to the various Nationalist and Communist anti-Imperial China actions) and did some of the most horrendous things to the civilians they found there. Put simply, the Imperial Japanese Army made Gobels, Goering and their gang look like nannies. BUT that ended 60 years ago and all the parties who were actually responsible for those policies and who commanded them (and allowed them to be carried out) have been dead, dead, DEAD for six decades. Most of the responsible parties were executed after being convicted by war crimes tribunals that the Chinese government endorsed and participated in.

I agree that current Japanese policy should not only admit their Imperial predecessors made Hitler look "kind and gentle," but actually make some form of reparations instead of denying acts that are well documented and actually undeniable. But the bluster from China-instigated no doubt by the Party for Party purposes-is useless and worthless. If the Chinese people had access to frank and complete history resources, they'd know that the people responsible were hanged by the neck until dead, and that McArthur's people ensured that their post war constitution prohibited the Japanese from even getting mildly aggressive against foreigners.

And I think the picture's caption should be "What do you mean 'the free iPod giveaway' is over and I missed it?!?!"

[historylme]

The Chinese flower revolution was a horrible time, I would say, worse than Tiananmen. The governments continual lies and subversions are more worrisome. Like, APU stated, they have bigger things to worry about.

[legacyb4]

I was about to say the same thing! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black... didn't I just read an article last week about how China is increasing their censorship of the Net?

Drives me nuts when the Chinese government takes the high and mighty position and doesn't acknowledge their own faults.

China's filters can block specific references to Tibetan independence without blocking all references to Tibet, according to the report by the OpenNet Initiative.

Likewise, the government limits discussions about Falun Gong, the Dalai Lama, Tiananmen Square and other topics deemed sensitive, the study finds.

Originally Posted by macintologist

What about China's own massacres and human rights record? Why aren't they protesting their own government over that? What about Tiananmen? And Tibet?

****ing morons

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by macintologist

What about China's own massacres and human rights record? Why aren't they protesting their own government over that? What about Tiananmen? And Tibet?

****ing morons

Because:

1) How can they protest about their own government doing things that 99% of the people know nothing about, because all media, controlled entirely by the Party/Government, tells them nothing about it.

2) By far the majority of Chinese people (read: Everyone who hasn't studied modern Chinese history in University, or have some sort of personal relation to it) do not know about the Tian'anmen Square incident (yes, I'm aware I'm using the 'Japanese' word now, but I'm tired and I can't think of a better one).

3) Most Chinese people believe (rather blindly, because of the Party-brainwashing they go through from they're born) what the Party tells them, also when it comes to Tibet being a part of China. Most Chinese people I've spoken to feel that Tibet should be a part of China, an autonomous region (自治区 ) like Hong Kong (which it already is), with the Tibetans classified as an official Ethnic Minority (which they already are).

As APU said, they're so stupidly stubborn about the wrong things (although it's slowly getting better) due to their complete brainwashing by the Party, that you can really liken them to 12-year-olds.


That said, I can easily understand how the Chinese can be seeing red over this. Like Spheric, much as I normally like the Japanese people and culture, I have no sympathy for the Japanese as a mass in this case (though I do have plenty of sympathy for the innocent individuals that got hurt and killed during these demonstrations - they have nothing to do with any of this, and taking it out on them is obviously both idiotic and unfair). It's just completely unacceptable that a modern country in this day and age - moreover, a modern country that wants to enter the UN Security Council - are still pigheadedly denying simple facts of history, and rewriting history, on such a scale as in this case. They seriously need to get that attitude changed and start telling it like it is, the same way that Germany has done.

And China needs to do the same, though the atrocities they are hiding from their own people are somewhat smaller than the Nanjing Massacre and the invasion of (or, as the new books call it, the 'entrance into') Chinese by the Japanese. Pretending that Liusi (the Tian'anmen business) never happened to anyone below university level because the Party doesn't think other than the literati can 'handle it' is ludicrous and ridiculous; as is the fact that they are repressing the hundreds of demonstrations (about other things than this, such as human rights, the terrible living circumstances many endure, etc.) that take place every day around China from other than local news stations, instead of trying to do something proper to remove the cause of them. But all this doesn't mean that the Chinese people cannot also be angry with the Japanese Government for their continued distortion of history.


History1me: Are you referring to the Hundred Flowers Campaign/Movement, or to the Cultural Revolution? If you mean the Hundred Flowers Campaign, then no, it was not quite as bad as the Rape of Nanjing: It consisted mainly of a failed attempt from the Party at accepting constructive criticism from the intelligentsia of the country; to make a long story short, they got far more, and far harsher, criticism than they'd bargained for, so they gave it up and accused all those who offered the criticism of being traitors to the ideals of the State. Typical. If, however, you're referring to the Cultural Revolution, then yes, it was worse. The death toll was approximately a hundred times higher. But of course, the Cultural Revolution lasted ten years all over the country, the Rape of Nanjing (or even the occupation by the Japanese) didn't.