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nav3 · 10:00 AM

April 21, 2005, 2:52 PM PDT
Apple's Jobs swipes at Longhorn
As an avid softball player, I know that when you get a nice flat pitch, you swing for the fences.

Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs clearly knows that too. He didn't miss a beat when a shareholder asked him if he had any thoughts on Longhorn, the next version of Windows.

"They are shamelessly copying us," he said during Thursday's annual meeting.

Most telling, Jobs said is that Tiger, the next version of Mac OS X, will go on sale later this month, while Longhorn is still more than a year away.

"They can't even copy fast," he said.

Some of Apple's advances can be protected by patents, he said, but not all.

"Innovation is the only way to win," he said. "You just have to stay ahead of people."

There has been a fair amount of finger-pointing of late, with Windows chief Jim Allchin recently suggesting it was Apple doing the copying.

http://news.com.com/2061-10794_3-568...&subj=news

driven · Apr 22, 2005, 12:39 AM

Yeah Jim ... Apple copied you

Lateralus · Apr 22, 2005, 12:58 AM

Nice to see Steve not cowering away from the anti-Microsoft rhetoric anymore. I miss the competition between Apple and MS in the 90s, a lot came from it on both sides. And Apple is in great financial/visibility shape right now for a little jousting.

Link · Apr 22, 2005, 01:14 AM

It's funny, but "spotlight" kinda bounces between MS copying apple and apple copying MS -- as it is apple seems to have "come up with the idea" first, but MS actually announced it to public first.. whoops?

Oh well, kinda irregardless since by the time longhorn actually ships, 10.5 will likely be near to public.

MilkmanDan · Apr 22, 2005, 01:22 AM

Steve, keep up the good bashing. I guess the honeymoon is over between Apple and MS.

anthonyvthc · Apr 22, 2005, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Link

Oh well, kinda irregardless since by the time longhorn actually ships, 10.5 will likely be near to public.

Didn't they say that 10.4 was gonna be the last update before a major OS upgrade (IE no 10.5, but rather OS XI)?

Link · Apr 22, 2005, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by anthonyvthc

Didn't they say that 10.4 was gonna be the last update before a major OS upgrade (IE no 10.5, but rather OS XI)?

You know, I really can't remember, but if that is the case I would be very enthused since while I love OS X, I'm always looking forward to the NeXT big thing

Hawkeye_a · Apr 22, 2005, 01:43 AM

Steve, Its about damn time you said it !!

Big Mac · Apr 22, 2005, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by anthonyvthc

Didn't they say that 10.4 was gonna be the last update before a major OS upgrade (IE no 10.5, but rather OS XI)?

Apple never said any thing of the sort. If such an announcement had been made, it would have made huge news around here. You're probably thinking of the announcement that milestone upgrades would come out less frequently.

Lateralus · Apr 22, 2005, 02:22 AM

Indeed.

I don't recall Apple stating that the next update to the OS would be substantial, but I do recall them saying that they intended to slow the point release rate by quite a bit now that the OS has matured.

OreoCookie · Apr 22, 2005, 04:46 AM

Maybe we'll know more about what I tentatively call 10.5 at the WWDC? My guesstimate is that we'll see some more GUI changes in 10.5, depending on how the Tiger Mail experiment goes.

Zimphire · Apr 22, 2005, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Lateralus

Indeed.

I don't recall Apple stating that the next update to the OS would be substantial, but I do recall them saying that they intended to slow the point release rate by quite a bit now that the OS has matured.

And so it should be. Tiger is VERY feature rich. And stable.

Hawkeye_a · Apr 22, 2005, 06:17 AM

I think Panther had the biggest leap. Quartz Extreme...drool...that a first for the industry. That changed the underlying technology and sped thing up quite dramatically (for those of us with video cards that support QE).

Tiger is great and im glad they didnt rush it out.... Obviously the big thing is 'spotlight' and to me core aduio and core video. Dashboard is, in my eyes anyway... eye candy to boost sales. It's cool though. Automator is to Apple script, what MacOSX was to MAc OS9. i see many people exploiting it's features.

I think OSX reached maturity in Panther, and with Tiger they are building on the mature foundation of OSX...with apps.

dav · Apr 22, 2005, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

I think OSX reached maturity in Panther, and with Tiger they are building on the mature foundation of OSX...with apps.

i'm hoping we'll see more of a concentration on apps from apple once tiger is out. they're obviously capable, and i'd just as soon give apple my $$$ than adobe.

ManOfSteal · Apr 22, 2005, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by dav

i'm hoping we'll see more of a concentration on apps from apple once tiger is out. they're obviously capable, and i'd just as soon give apple my $$$ than adobe.

I concur.

Superchicken · Apr 22, 2005, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

I think Panther had the biggest leap. Quartz Extreme...drool...that a first for the industry. That changed the underlying technology and sped thing up quite dramatically (for those of us with video cards that support QE).

Tiger is great and im glad they didnt rush it out.... Obviously the big thing is 'spotlight' and to me core aduio and core video. Dashboard is, in my eyes anyway... eye candy to boost sales. It's cool though. Automator is to Apple script, what MacOSX was to MAc OS9. i see many people exploiting it's features.

I think OSX reached maturity in Panther, and with Tiger they are building on the mature foundation of OSX...with apps.

Uhh you mean.. Jaguar?

mitchell_pgh · Apr 22, 2005, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by dav

i'm hoping we'll see more of a concentration on apps from apple once tiger is out. they're obviously capable, and i'd just as soon give apple my $$$ than adobe.

I feel the same way. I hope Apple expands the iApps by at least 2 or 3 more GOOD ones. iPhoto is really coming around... iTunes is solid (minus playlist folders) and iMovie/iDVD are all good apps for what they are.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

MilkmanDan · Apr 22, 2005, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Superchicken

Uhh you mean.. Jaguar?

I agree. Jag was quite the step up, and actually useable.

:XI: · Apr 22, 2005, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by driven

Yeah Jim ... Apple copied you

Having multiple users logged in to the same gui on the same machine (Fast User Switching) was in XP before Mac OS X.

So, yeah. Apple did copy MS.

Zimphire · Apr 22, 2005, 04:49 PM

XI actually that was available to Unix systems way before XP, so they both copied that.

:XI: · Apr 22, 2005, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

XI actually that was available to Unix systems way before XP, so they both copied that.

At the same keyboard, mouse and display? Or a remote X session?

I'm not trolling for an argument, just seeking clarification.

All this Apple v. Microsoft is just ******** anyway. Although I will admit it's nice that Apple aren't kissing arse anymore.

kemuri · Apr 22, 2005, 05:08 PM

What aspects of Longhorn is Jobs alluding to? What's being copied, exactly?

Thanks in advance.