[macintologist]

I was watching an episode of JAG and one of the dudes was applying for a job. On the form he was filling out, one of the questions was "Have you ever smoked marijuana?" And he said no of course.

Now what I'm wondering is, do US government jobs always ask you if you have smoked marijuana? And if you truthfully answer YES, does that mean you can't get that job, even if you smoked it once when you were 18?

And also, what if you ate marijuana in the form of the brownie, and the question on the form asks "Have you ever smoked ,marijuana?" Would answering no not be perjury or a lie of any kind?

And last question, how many people actually just say NO on the form regardless of whether it is true or not? Would it come back to haunt you, if say, an enemy of yours digs up some old form and tries to prosecute you for lying on an official government document?


(And yes, I'm wondering because I haven't tried MJ yet and I also want to keep my options open for a US government job, or local state government job )

[Mafia]

whoops.

[GSixZero]

I've heard that those forms are all about honesty, and less about what you're being honest about. If you claim that you've never smoked weed, and they find out you did; game over. If you claim you did, I doubt it would preclude you from being hired. For you average paper pusher government job, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you're applying for a security clearance or something like that, I would take that really seriously. The FBI investigates what you write and they'll find stuff out that you didn't know about yourself.

I wouldn't lie about it, marijuana is becoming less and less of an issue it seems. Both presidential candidates (Bush and Kerry) we're known to have smoked it.

[fulmer]

it's more about telling the truth.

[sideus]

Originally Posted by macintologist

Now what I'm wondering is, do US government jobs always ask you if you have smoked marijuana? And if you truthfully answer YES, does that mean you can't get that job, even if you smoked it once when you were 18?

You can answer yes and still be hired.

[SVass]

As one who has held high level security clearances for years, I can tell you that the questions change over the years and so do the acceptable answers. Once upon a time being gay or having a close relative in the Soviet Union might disqualify you from a clearance (and any associated job). Now, certain Muslim or Middle Eastern connections might suffice. One guy was fired for taking a girl friend on his government paid trip. One security interviewer told me that a neighbor complained that my lawn was not neat and she asked if I would always support my government. I responded that I would not willingly support unconstitutional acts or extreme stupidity. I kept my Top Secret clearance. Sam (PS-like all government forms, the questions may be left over from an earlier era and your answers may ultimately be released by your political opponent when you run for office.)

[RonnieoftheRose]

What a police state.

[Vi0]

it's didn't bother Arnold Schwarzenigger

He smoked a joint on camera, and admitted he had group sex. And now he's governor of california.

[t6hawk]

Originally Posted by Vi0

it's didn't bother Arnold Schwarzenigger

He smoked a joint on camera, and admitted he had group sex. And now he's governor of california.

Didn't president bush admit to doing some not so legal things like drugs also?

[OreoCookie]

As long as you didn't inhale ... you can even become US President!
Sorry, I stand corrected. Even if you inhale, and do more, you can become US President

[SVass]

You guys are missing the point! Republicans are allowed to use marijuana. Republicans are allowed to be gay. Republicans are allowed to let lobbyists pay for their trips directly. Republicans are allowed to charge the taxpayers for their "nonpartisan" public meetings and not allow democrats in. Independent prosecutors are not allowed to investigate charges against Republicans because. Republicans invented security bs that Truman apologised for. That is the only thing Harry ever publically apologised for! sam

[ThinkInsane]

Admitting you've used it is no big deal. Saying that you haven't and having it discovered that you have during the course of a background check does not work in your favor. When I worked for the Sheriff's Dept. and at my current job, both of which required background investigations, I disclosed marijuana use and affirmed it during the polygraph, and it caused me no problems. Being honest about youthful indiscretions looks far better than lying about them. Keep in mind though, use they will over look, but sale they won't. A high school friend was disqualified from consideration for a job with the NYS Troopers when he disclosed that he once sold pot while in college, even though he had never actually used it himself.

[ThinkInsane]

Originally Posted by SVass

You guys are missing the point! Republicans are allowed to use marijuana. Republicans are allowed to be gay. Republicans are allowed to let lobbyists pay for their trips directly. Republicans are allowed to charge the taxpayers for their "nonpartisan" public meetings and not allow democrats in. Independent prosecutors are not allowed to investigate charges against Republicans because. Republicans invented security bs that Truman apologised for. That is the only thing Harry ever publically apologised for! sam

Is there any chance you could maybe keep your political views in the political forum?

[Mastrap]

^ *cough* look at your own sig, I suggest.
For those here who don't speak Gaelic, it's, unofficially, the slogan of the Irish Republican movement.

[Marv]

Originally Posted by macintologist

I was watching an episode of JAG and one of the dudes was applying for a job. On the form he was filling out, one of the questions was "Have you ever smoked marijuana?" And he said no of course.

Now what I'm wondering is, do US government jobs always ask you if you have smoked marijuana? And if you truthfully answer YES, does that mean you can't get that job, even if you smoked it once when you were 18?

And also, what if you ate marijuana in the form of the brownie, and the question on the form asks "Have you ever smoked ,marijuana?" Would answering no not be perjury or a lie of any kind?

And last question, how many people actually just say NO on the form regardless of whether it is true or not? Would it come back to haunt you, if say, an enemy of yours digs up some old form and tries to prosecute you for lying on an official government document?


(And yes, I'm wondering because I haven't tried MJ yet and I also want to keep my options open for a US government job, or local state government job )

It depends on what you are applying for. My friend worked at a nuclear processing plant for the military. Answering yes to that question did not knock you out of the running, but they will scrutinize you to make sure you are clean and will stay clean.

Lying about it and getting caught is an automatic knock out!

Truth is, don't do drugs. If you have, quit and be honest about it.

I was selected for a juror and the prosecutor asked me if I ever did drugs as part of the interview questions. I looked him in the eye and said "Yes, but I didn't exhale." The courtroom broke into laughter, including the judge. I thought I would get ejected, but I was selected instead.

You can say the same thing. It will lighten up the atmosphere, but be dead serious when asked if you are drug free now.

Honesty is the best policy. No agency wants people with dark secrets that can be used against them as extortion.

Marv

[ThinkInsane]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

^ *cough* look at your own sig, I suggest.
For those here who don't speak Gaelic, it's, unofficially, the slogan of the Irish Republican movement.

Gah, I've explained that a dozen times on here. I've never criticized anyone for having a political oriented sig. Ranting about what republicans get away with in response to casual comments that actually were on topic.: Bush and Arny have aquired rather high level positions in the government even though they both admitted to having used illegal drugs.

Anyone that would like to discuss the political thing further can contact me via PM. Thread hijack is now over.

[turboSPE]

Originally Posted by macintologist

I was watching an episode of JAG and one of the dudes was applying for a job. On the form he was filling out, one of the questions was "Have you ever smoked marijuana?" And he said no of course.

Now what I'm wondering is, do US government jobs always ask you if you have smoked marijuana? And if you truthfully answer YES, does that mean you can't get that job, even if you smoked it once when you were 18?

And also, what if you ate marijuana in the form of the brownie, and the question on the form asks "Have you ever smoked ,marijuana?" Would answering no not be perjury or a lie of any kind?

And last question, how many people actually just say NO on the form regardless of whether it is true or not? Would it come back to haunt you, if say, an enemy of yours digs up some old form and tries to prosecute you for lying on an official government document?


(And yes, I'm wondering because I haven't tried MJ yet and I also want to keep my options open for a US government job, or local state government job )

I had an on-campus interview with the FBI on Wednesday last. The first order of business was a set of 15 "disqualifying questions"--that if I answered the wrong way to, I would automatically be disqualified from further interivews and/or employment across the board. 2 of the questions were:

1) Have you smoked marijuana in the last 3 years?
2) Have you smoked marijuana more than 15 times ever?

If you haven't tried it, great; if you have, I'd be careful. I'm not sure what job you're applying for, but some require you to take a polygraph. Watch out for the background check, too.

turboSPE

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by turboSPE

If you haven't tried it, great; if you have, I'd be careful. I'm not sure what job you're applying for, but some require you to take a polygraph. Watch out for the background check, too.

I wouldn't worry too much about any polygraph-test. It's a wholly unscientific discredited method now relegated to 'reality' shows.

[turboSPE]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

I wouldn't worry too much about any polygraph-test. It's a wholly unscientific discredited method now relegated to 'reality' shows.

I've read the site's publications and agree, but the government still requires you to take one, and if you "fail," then you're done.

turboSPE

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by t6hawk

Didn't president bush admit to doing some not so legal things like drugs also?

No, he never said either way.

The left then took this and spinned it into him being a raging coke-head still to today!

[Zimphire]

Funny enough, the only time I have been asked if I smoked pot in a job interview or application is when I was 18, and applied for a job at Wal-Mart over the summer.

Make what you will out of it.

MOST companies don't really care what you do, as long as you come in to work every day, and do your job.

Back when I used to work for a newspaper back in the day, I used to come in stoned off my gourd. Boss knew it as well. Ad reps didn't care, They claimed I made "Pretty Ads"

A guy down the hall however, was a big pot head too. But it would cause him to screw up, fall asleep during the job, and not get anything done.

Of course they couldn't fire him for being a pot head and not me. So they fired him just for not doing his job.

So if you ever get fired for "being stoned" it probably isn't the reason they fire you.

If a company can get performance out of you, they don't care what you are on for the most part.

Honesty they do however care about.

[MacNStein]

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

What a police state.

^ what a nincompoop. ^

Pay attention to the thread, genius.

[turtle777]

Pff, my company did not only ask, they also took hair samples to verify you answer.
And before someone yells "police state" again, this is a big, private german-held company.
But they could never do that in Germany

-t

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Pff, my company did not only ask, they also took hair samples to verify you answer.
And before someone yells "police state" again, this is a big, private german-held company.
But they could never do that in Germany

-t

No, they couldn't. Aren't US privacy laws great?
(My hostmom's rehab facility did the same thing, I found that pretty bizarre back then.)

[Zimphire]

Can't you tell if a person has taken LSD by hair testing?
I heard you could, but it may be a rumor.

No drug testing were I work. At least not yet.

Half the staff would be gone.

<My Boss> "Boy you guys look real tired today"

[Randman]

I'd be honest. If the question came up, say you smoked pot in high school as many people have.

But, if you're still sparking up, maybe you shouldn't apply for a government job to begin with.

And not to derail the political thing, but Gore admitted he smoke pot. And we all know Clinton's story (though a friend of mine went to school with him and was in band with him and has some stories to tell about inhaling). Drug use isn't a Republican or a Democrat thing. And anyone trying to say otherwise should put down the crack pipe and get a life. Or a job.

[macintologist]

say you smoked pot in high school as many people have.

Or college.

[Moderator]

just say no

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Moderator

just say no

To drug screening, MacNN, premarital sex, Democrats, terrorists or what ?

-t

[SVass]

Applying for a government job and answering their questionaire is simple. A green card application is 47 pages. The security clearance form is only a few pages with things like Enter every address where you have lived for the past fifteen years. Enter the mailing address of every employer and school (including grammar and high-this was more difficult before the internet). Enter the naturalization certificate number and date/place for your parents. Enter the exact dates for each trip to a foreign country including Mexico and Canada. Enter all court appearance information, dates, offenses, resolution including traffic offenses. Enter all organizations that you belong to other than political. Attach as many pages as necessary to accommodate your answers. And you worry about one marijuana question! Actually, I will give you one good piece of advice. After you do this once, run a Xerox copy of the form and lock it away to use the next time. That will save you a lot of work. sam

[frankiec]

Originally Posted by RonnieoftheRose

What a police state.

With just four words you just showed how ignorant, immature, and naive you are.

[Randman]

I think watching JAG these days is worse than smoking pot.

[mitchell_pgh]

If you lie, you are screwed. If you tell the truth (and smoked), you can't get the highest security.

[skalie]

Could be wrong, but I think I remember having to answer a question along the lines of "Have you ever been arresting for drug trafficking or are you intending to traffic drugs into the United States of America?" on a visa application way back when.

Excuse the paraphrasing, but it's not like you're going to answer "yes".

[macaddict0001]

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Can't you tell if a person has taken LSD by hair testing?
I heard you could, but it may be a rumor.

No drug testing were I work. At least not yet.

Half the staff would be gone.

<My Boss> "Boy you guys look real tired today"

how do you know they don't screen you? do you never use the office toilets or anything?

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by macaddict0001

how do you know they don't screen you?

Because it's against company policy.

Do you never use the office toilets or anything?

That sir would be illegal, and couldn't terminate me for any such results. And if I found out, I could sue the pants off em.

Not that I have anything to worry about. I doubt I fail any drug tests anytime soon.