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E's Lil Theorem · Apr 28, 2005, 12:44 PM

WTF?

First published: 20 Apr 2005, 16:21

Woman charged with raping man

A 23-year-old woman has changed her story after biological evidence on a man's underpants and penis demonstrated their physical contact. The woman no longer denies laying a finger on him but insists she has committed no crime.

The 23-year-old woman told Bergen municipal court that she didn't force sexual contact on the man while he was asleep, newspaper VG reports.

"He wasn't asleep, he was awake the whole time and he gave me a smile," the woman told the court.

The incident allegedly occurred in the apartment of the woman's current partner. He was present at the time but the woman said he did not see what happened.

Prosecutor Jarle Golten Sm�rdal said that he is only aware of one previous conviction of a woman for rape, and that case involved the accused and two men assaulting a 15-year-old girl.

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First published: 27 Apr 2005, 16:15

Woman convicted of rape

In a landmark case a 23-year-old woman has been convicted by a Bergen court for the rape of a 31-year-old man.

The woman was sentenced to nine months in prison and ordered to pay NOK 40,000 (USD 6,385) to the man.

The incident occurred on Jan. 4 last year in a Bergen apartment. The man testified that he fell asleep on a sofa and woke up to find the woman performing oral sex on him.

The woman eventually admitted sexual contact but claimed that it was voluntary and that the man was willing and smiled.

The case has attracted attention and is the first time a Norwegian woman has been charged with raping a man.

This is just sad.

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Chris O'Brien · Apr 28, 2005, 12:48 PM

Whoa. She must be a proper minger for him to complain about getting sucked off...

wdlove · Apr 28, 2005, 12:52 PM

If a women is guilty then she should also be punished. If he was asleep then there was no consent.

Superchicken · Apr 28, 2005, 12:53 PM

Shouldn't he have been able to push her off?

turtle777 · Apr 28, 2005, 01:00 PM

Ok, without knowing all the facts: that 31 year old, what a wuss...

-t

Stradlater · Apr 28, 2005, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Superchicken

Shouldn't he have been able to push her off?

And risk a frighteningly biting accident?

Seriously, though; he could push her off, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been violated. If a woman manages to get off a rapist before he finishes the deed, it's still rape.

PacHead · Apr 28, 2005, 01:12 PM

Not bad at all.

The dude gets a free blowjob, and the woman has to pay him around $6,000. I hope I run into that 23 year old chick the next time I visit that place. The chick was probably decent looking too, considering that she's 23 and Norwegian. There's a lot of hotties in Norway. The last time a Norweigan chick gave me a blowjob, I unfortunately didn't get $6,000 when it was done, but I'm not complaining of course.

And yes, the PacHead is back, if only for a brief period perhaps !

invisibleX · Apr 28, 2005, 01:13 PM

Since when would a man not want sex?

Millennium · Apr 28, 2005, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by invisibleX

Since when would a man not want sex?

Why is rape only wrong when a man commits it?

TETENAL · Apr 28, 2005, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

Why is rape only wrong when a man commits it?

It's also wrong when a woman does it, but it's sort of hard to believe that a 23 years old girl could force a 31 one year old man to have sex (unless he is a midget or so). He could have just said "no thanks" and turn around and the matter would have been settled.

BlueSky · Apr 28, 2005, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by PacHead

The last time a Norweigan chick gave me a blowjob, I unfortunately didn't get $6,000 when it was done, but I'm not complaining of course.

The last time a Norwegian chick gave you a blowjob, you woke up and scribbled it in your diary.

WB Pac, wondering where you went.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 28, 2005, 01:57 PM

If I woke up in the middle of the night to find some crack whore (man or woman) sucking me off I would not be thinking "a BJ is a BJ". I'd kick them in the ****ing head, call the cops and charge them.

Anywho who would enjoy it and think it is not a crime must really not get any.

Wiskedjak · Apr 28, 2005, 02:03 PM

this thread highlights everything that is wrong with the understanding of rape

turtle777 · Apr 28, 2005, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

this thread highlights everything that is wrong with the understanding of rape

I don't think that's what all of us here are discussing.

For me, the story sounds fishy. THAT's the point of discussion for me.
If it all WAS true, then yes, he's been raped. However, I don't believe his story.

-t

jasonsRX7 · Apr 28, 2005, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by invisibleX

Since when would a man not want sex?

If she's ugly. If I woke up and it was Melissa Theuriau doing her business, I'd be like "yesssss." But if it was Rosie O'donnell then I'd be yelling rape, too.

Oisín · 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

It's also wrong when a woman does it, but it's sort of hard to believe that a 23 years old girl could force a 31 one year old man to have sex (unless he is a midget or so). He could have just said "no thanks" and turn around and the matter would have been settled.

Ehh... did you read the articles? He was sleeping, she didn't ask and then force him.

Strange as this is going to sound (it's sounding weird in my mind as I'm thinking it), I agree completely with SWG on this one. Giving someone a blowjob is not just something you do without asking first, or in some other way ascertain pretty certainly that the guy actually wants the blowjob!

turtle777 · Apr 28, 2005, 02:09 PM

The incident occurred on Jan. 4 last year in a Bergen apartment. The man testified that he fell asleep on a sofa and woke up to find the woman performing oral sex on him.

The incident allegedly occurred in the apartment of the woman's current partner. He was present at the time but the woman said he did not see what happened.

It just doesn't sound plausible...

-t

PacHead · Apr 28, 2005, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bluesky

The last time a Norwegian chick gave you a blowjob, you woke up and scribbled it in your diary.

WB Pac, wondering where you went.

Oh come on, I know this is the internet and all, but not everybody lies. (though many do).

If I am not telling the truth, then may god strike me down and teach me a lesson, and may my penis be severed from my body.

turtle777 · Apr 28, 2005, 02:14 PM

-t

Skip Breakfast · Apr 28, 2005, 02:15 PM

I lost my virginity via being raped by a female. If you question why, I will not answer.

effgee · Apr 28, 2005, 02:18 PM

**thunderclap**
**bzzzzzzzzt**

(booming voice from above: ) "He was aking for it"

dcmacdaddy · Apr 28, 2005, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

I don't think that's what all of us here are discussing.

For me, the story sounds fishy. THAT's the point of discussion for me.
If it all WAS true, then yes, he's been raped. However, I don't believe his story.

-t

It's the reasons why you don't believe his story that has many of us troubled?
All these assumptions about men wanting free sex, men being too physically weak, men who can't be violated by a woman, etc. All these assumptions about woman->man rape reflect a general attitude about rape in general. And the people who will suffer most from that general attitude are the victims of man->woman rape. Sexual violation of another person is a crime NO MATTER WHO is the perpetrator.

effgee · Apr 28, 2005, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Skip Breakfast

I lost my virginity via being raped by a female. If you question why, I will not answer.

Why?

Oisín · Apr 28, 2005, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

It just doesn't sound plausible...

Why not? The other guy could have been in another room, or he could have been asleep too. Didn't say whether he was her partner at the time either, so whether or not he saw it/was aware of it might not even really be important.

Millennium · Apr 28, 2005, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

It's also wrong when a woman does it, but it's sort of hard to believe that a 23 years old girl could force a 31 one year old man to have sex (unless he is a midget or so). He could have just said "no thanks" and turn around and the matter would have been settled.

Next time you come across a female rape victim, ask her why she didn't scream. Then let me know what hospital room she's put you in, and I'll be sure to send you flowers.

discotronic · Apr 28, 2005, 02:21 PM

Rape is rape and in my opinion it is one of the worst crime a person can commet. Just because he is a man and the accused is a women doesn't mean that it could not have happened.

The ignorance of the small minded people here is amazing.

Oisín · Apr 28, 2005, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

And the people who will suffer most from that general attitude are the victims of man->woman rape.

How do you figure that one? Not saying it's wrong necessarily, just can't see how you come to that conclusion...

PacHead · Apr 28, 2005, 02:23 PM

It sounds totally plausible. It was probably at some party or drinking session at some apartment, and they were all drunk out of their minds, because that's what people do in that country. I know, I've been there.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 28, 2005, 02:25 PM

My friend was raped when he was SEVEN by his 14 year old female relative. She climbed on top of him when they were sharing the same bed. That is child molestation and rape.

On a totally unrelated topic he is gay now

dcmacdaddy · Apr 28, 2005, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Ois�n

How do you figure that one? Not saying it's wrong necessarily, just can't see how you come to that conclusion...

What does it say when the perception is that men can't be raped, can't be sexually violated by a woman? To me, it implies a whole series of assumption on the part of people, men and women but mostly men, that the power dynamics of a sexual relationship favor men. And if a general assumption/belief is that power dynamics favor men, especially in a sexual situation, then women will ALWAYS come out on the losing end. And rape, whether it is woman->man or man->woman is all about power and domination.

Skip Breakfast · Apr 28, 2005, 02:30 PM

On a totally unrelated topic he is gay now

Whose to say he wasn't gay before?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 28, 2005, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Skip Breakfast

Whose to say he wasn't gay before?

He had girlfriends to his late teens. He was born gay but I don't like calling a 7 year old gay that is why I said now.

dcmacdaddy · Apr 28, 2005, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

On a totally unrelated topic he is gay now

Are you responsible for that?

ghporter · Apr 28, 2005, 02:39 PM

Rape is a crime of violence committed against a person through the abuse of that person's genitals. It includes (usually) sexual physiology, often depending on reflexive reactions, but it is NOT SEX. Any person who makes use of another's genitals without the other's permission commits rape. Not only does "no" mean "no" but the lack of a "yes" means "no" too. The gender of the assailant and victim are completely irrelevant.

Oh, and the assailant was NOT a lady. She was female, probably a woman (as opposed to being a girl), but certainly not a "lady" any more than the random male you meet is a "gentleman."

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Apr 28, 2005, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Are you responsible for that?

yes, I am such a hot bitch I converted him.

Superchicken · Apr 28, 2005, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

He had girlfriends to his late teens. He was born gay but I don't like calling a 7 year old gay that is why I said now.

You're sure he was born gay? Does his birth cert say that? Or did he have the gay stamp on his butt?

SimeyTheLimey · Apr 28, 2005, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ois�n

EGiving someone a blowjob is not just something you do without asking first, or in some other way ascertain pretty certainly that the guy actually [i]wants[/img] the blowjob!

Are you going to post that image or not?

Thorin · 03:07 PM

One thing I'm not quite clear on, is I think in the UK, that would be sexual assault, rather than rape, as sexual intercourse did not occur. Obviously it's just as unpleasant for the victim, but my understanding is that in the UK it's a different crime.

This sounds completely plausable to me. He wakes up to find someone woman sucking on him, and shifts her off, he's still been sexually assaulted. Put it this way. How would you feel if you found out that your female partner (or relative/friend, whatever) had been asleep, and woken up to find some bloke licking her genitals. You'd be ok with that would you? Because I wouldn't!

Oisín · Apr 28, 2005, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey

Are you going to post that image or not?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about... *innocent look*

*

to covering your tracks and erasing the evidence*

ghporter · Apr 28, 2005, 03:03 PM

Not only would I not be "ok with that," the assailant wouldn't be either, because he'd be hospitalized-before I even woke up! My wife is NOT someone to be messed with, especially in this way.

To me, if the act could be considered "intercourse" then the crime is rape. If, on the other hand, the act is not typically considered intercourse, such as an attempt at penetration, or the use of an instrument instead of a body part, then the crime would be assault. That's the way I understand the U.S. laws where I've lived. (Some jurisdictions have some weird ideas about sex; up until recently, oral sex was legally considered "sodomy" in Texas. Sounds like the lawmakers were a little unclear on the concept, eh?)

turtle777 · Apr 28, 2005, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

It's the reasons why you don't believe his story that has many of us troubled?
All these assumptions about men wanting free sex, men being too physically weak, men who can't be violated by a woman, etc. All these assumptions about woman->man rape reflect a general attitude about rape in general.

Uhm, where did I make these assumptions ?
I think you are mistaken...

-t

E's Lil Theorem · Apr 28, 2005, 03:27 PM

Well, I've never been in such a situation, but I don't think I would have handled it like this dude did. If it had been me, I would have woken up as soon as she started but most likely wouldn't have said anything. Maybe a smile, like she said he did (though he denies this). Now, if I'm married/in a committed relationship and something like this happens, I would jump up and zip up. Oh, and share this info with the sig.other, but I would definitely not press charges. Why? Well, I wouldn't feel violated. Maybe I'm more screwed up in the head than I initially thought

Originally Posted by ghporter

...

Oh, and the assailant was NOT a lady. She was female, probably a woman (as opposed to being a girl), but certainly not a "lady" any more than the random male you meet is a "gentleman."

Small misunderstanding here. I have this thing where I call all women/females/girls ladies or femmes (or something like that).

Millennium · Apr 28, 2005, 03:34 PM

Personally, I always liked my college's definition: "Any sexual act or attempted sexual act, committed without the consent of all involved parties".

Chuckit · Apr 28, 2005, 03:41 PM

I've always found the concept of "trying to get someone aroused while they're asleep" = "rape" to be kind of scary. It seems very possible to me that this woman did not believe she was raping the guy. There is no indication that any kind of force was involved.

MacNStein · Apr 28, 2005, 03:43 PM

This reminds me of a situation many years ago. I'd invited a lady friend to stay in my apartment while I was in college, she'd been looking for work and was short on funds. The second night she stayed, she'd slipped into my bed when I was asleep (I sleep in the buff), and I awoke to find her on top of me and we were in coitus. I just just kinda rolled her off of me, and told her that it was a bad idea. I probably would have reacted sooner, but I was used to this type of thing with my GF at the time, so I suppose I subconsciously thought it was her. We just layed there and talked for a while.

However, I didn't think badly about the situation. She was just lonely, and wanted to show appreciation to me for letting her stay at my place. I just find it difficult to call that rape.

Millennium · Apr 28, 2005, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

This reminds me of a situation many years ago. I'd invited a lady friend to stay in my apartment while I was in college, she'd been looking for work and was short on funds. The second night she stayed, she'd slipped into my bed when I was asleep (I sleep in the buff), and I awoke to find her on top of me and we were in coitus. I just just kinda rolled her off of me, and told her that it was a bad idea. I probably would have reacted sooner, but I was used to this type of thing with my GF at the time, so I suppose I subconsciously thought it was her. We just layed there and talked for a while.

However, I didn't think badly about the situation. She was just lonely, and wanted to show appreciation to me for letting her stay at my place. I just find it difficult to call that rape.

Then don't call it that. Technically it was, but just as with anyone else who was victimized, it's up to you to decide what that means. If it doesn't bother you, then that's your prerogative, and you certainly aren't alone in that. All you have to do is not press charges.

MacNStein · Apr 28, 2005, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

Then don't call it that. Technically it was, but just as with anyone else who was victimized, it's up to you to decide what that means. If it doesn't bother you, then that's your prerogative, and you certainly aren't alone in that. All you have to do is not press charges.

Of course I wouldn't press charges, nothing "wrong" was done.

Sure, a person could call it unsolicited sexual contact, there are laws against that in some states. But, if there's no violence or implied threat, it's not rape.

1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.

kemuri · Apr 28, 2005, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

Personally, I always liked my college's definition: "Any sexual act or attempted sexual act, committed without the consent of all involved parties".

... is utterly understandable and welcomed.

historylme · Apr 28, 2005, 04:14 PM

I agree with half the camp here. If it had been me, and I didn't like the situation, I would have stopped her and been done with situation. Now, granted, if it was a crazy girl that I din't like at all, I would have told her to leave or I would have left. Otherwise, I would have chucked it up to *crazy* experience log.

wolfen · Apr 28, 2005, 05:41 PM

It's all fun and games until you find sores on your pecker.

Some of the earlier posters need to think with the other head.