[Athens]

ARRRR I hate stupid people!!! My engine was low on oil yesterday so I took it to a full serve gas station and had the guy top it off. Besides using the wrong oil which I have yet to find out if bad or not, prob isnt, he DIDNT put on the oil cap so thats lost and I have oil all over my freaking engine. ARGH anyways who agrees with me about them being shot, and tell your stories of stupid people. I would love to hear about what has happened to others.

[Athens]

ARR is it bad to mix 20W30 with 10W40?

[sworthy]

I'm going to vote no, they should not be shot. I am in favor of vasectomies/tubes tied for stupid people, however.

[JohnM15141]

Naah, one man's idiot is another man's genius. Everybody has a stupid moment at least once in their life, we'd all be dead now. I think Stupid people should be "Soundly" Smacked! That way we could learn. Stupid people can be trained...

Originally Posted by Athens

ARRRR I hate stupid people!!! My engine was low on oil yesterday so I took it to a full serve gas station and had the guy top it off. Besides using the wrong oil which I have yet to find out if bad or not, prob isnt, he DIDNT put on the oil cap so thats lost and I have oil all over my freaking engine. ARGH anyways who agrees with me about them being shot, and tell your stories of stupid people. I would love to hear about what has happened to others.

[waxcrash]

Why stop with the stupid people? Why don't we shoot all the mentally disabled, physically disabled, Africans, Pacific Islanders, Jews, Italians, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, Mexicans, Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Scientologists? Who did I forget?

[Athens]

who said anything about shot to kill, people can live from being shot like in the leg. Hell i'll be the first to admit with that rule I would prob have been shot oh say 70 times now in my life

[invisibleX]

Originally Posted by waxcrash

Why stop with the stupid people? Why don't we shoot all the mentally disabled, physically disabled, Africans, Pacific Islanders, Jews, Italians, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, Mexicans, Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Scientologists? Who did I forget?

Myself, thankfully

[ort888]

It's all well and good until a smarter person shoots you.

[Millennium]

It's awfully tempting, and if there were a fair way to determine 'stupidity' with very few false-negatives and absolutely no false-positives then I'd be all for it. Sadly, just as with predictively determining parenting skills, no fair and reliable method exists, so I'm forced to answer no.

[ironknee]

meh...it's friday, shoot em all

[chris v]

Originally Posted by ort888

It's all well and good until a smarter person shoots you.

I'm afraid out topic-starter wouldn't last the day.

[ghporter]

The only problem you'll have with the mixture of oil is that it is no longer exactly 20W30 (or did you start with 10W40?). The big problem was the oil cap, and if you take the car back to the station and talk to the manager (NOT anyone else) about it in a calm and cool manner, you'll probably get a full oil change on them-just for not being a dork about it. This gets your car taken care of, the manager finds out that Johnny needs more training to prevent a REAL bork up, and there's no real damage done. Taking it personally is counter productive and wastes your time and emotional energy.

And remember, Einstein understood stupidity too. The Theory of Relativity covers it quite nicely: how stupid someone is depends on where you're standing when you observe them. If you were in a position where the kid the messed up with your oil top off paid you to do something and you made a mistake, you'd look just as stupid to him, and deservedly so. Don't be so harsh; it's easier on yourself and everyone around you.

[wdlove]

Definitely not. I could be signing my own death warrant at times.

[macaddict0001]

I would say that making it illegal for people with an iq below 80 should not be allowed to reproduce

[nredman]

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - Mahatma Gandhi

[budster101]

I voted yes before I voted no.

[E's Lil Theorem]

No, don't shoot them/us.

Originally Posted by budster101

I voted yes before I voted no.

Just can't let it go, I reckon.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Athens

Should Stupid People be SHOT!

Stupid people in general, no. I have fewer misgivings, however, regarding the extermination of people who can't tell a question mark and an exclamation mark apart.

[Captain Obvious]

Cubs and NYY fans, for sure should be shot on site.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Cubs and NYY fans, for sure should be shot on site.

On which sites exactly? Should they be taken to ancient sacrificial sites, and shot and sacrificed to Astarte there?

[el chupacabra]

Originally Posted by Athens

I would love to hear about what has happened to others.

Well I was just sitting listening to some business major college kids the other day as they came into a public library and sat down to some macs the only comps in the room. One dumb girl said "so do macs have internet?"....it took the 4 of them a good 5 minutes to figure out to get the browser open. they picked up the mouse and shook it wondering why it had only 1 button (like they know how right click?). Then one guy said and this is great "I hate Apple! Apple sux, the only coo thing apple does is the iPod....and HP invented that so **** apple!".

I've been meaning to make a list of the stupidest things ive ever heard, some are really funny but ya know...

I wouldn't let anyone touch your car again. I never do. There's a reason why those people work in a gas station.

[ghporter]

chupacabra, that's ignorance not stupidity. These kids are absolutely ignorant about a lot of things, but they're bright enough to be taught. HP taught them that Apple is not the only maker of iPods, and you could have taught them how to open the browser. Most PC users don't really use the right button on their mouse anyway, but an Apple mouse looks different, so they act surprised.

Of course by the time their attitude had had a chance to sink in, you probably didn't WANT to teach them anything-and I couldn't blame you. I spent a long time teaching for a living, and some students' attitudes are bad enough that I would have happily taught them WRONG just to get them out of my hair. Sometimes people are both ignorant AND stupid.

Originally said by macaddict0001:
I would say that making it illegal for people with an iq below 80 should not be allowed to reproduce

Watch out-somebody REALLY smart may just recalibrate the IQ scale to add some of US to that "below 80" range. Your suggestion is called "eugenics" and is a broad term for the same sort of thing that the Nazis did to Jews, Gypsies, gays, and other "undesirables." Slippery slope time, folks!

[Kilbey]

Originally Posted by Athens

ARRRR I hate stupid people!!! My engine was low on oil yesterday so I took it to a full serve gas station and had the guy top it off. Besides using the wrong oil which I have yet to find out if bad or not, prob isnt, he DIDNT put on the oil cap so thats lost and I have oil all over my freaking engine. ARGH anyways who agrees with me about them being shot, and tell your stories of stupid people. I would love to hear about what has happened to others.

Why was your car low on oil? Is it leaking? Is the engine burning it? Why didn't you put the oil in yourself? Do you know where it goes? Why did you drive away without an oil cap? Why didn't you check on the work done to your car?

Originally Posted by Athens

ARR is it bad to mix 20W30 with 10W40?

Why don't you know this already? Do you understand what viscosity of oil is? Are you stupid? What qualifies as stupid?

To answer your question, no. You simply have a oil with a viscosity between 20W30 and 10W40. You have done no harm to your engine. You are damaging the enviroment though with your oil level being low. Either you are leaking oil or burning it. If you are burning it, you are increasing the hydrocarbon content of your exhaust emissions. If you are leaking it, you are directly damaging everything the dripping oil lands on.

Find out why your oil level was low and fix it now. Don't be so stupid in the future, someone might shoot you.

I voted "no".

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by el chupacabra

Well I was just sitting listening to some business major college kids the other day as they came into a public library and sat down to some macs the only comps in the room. One dumb girl said "so do macs have internet?"....it took the 4 of them a good 5 minutes to figure out to get the browser open. they picked up the mouse and shook it wondering why it had only 1 button (like they know how right click?). Then one guy said and this is great "I hate Apple! Apple sux, the only coo thing apple does is the iPod....and HP invented that so **** apple!".

well that sums it up...just like 90% of people use windows, i think 90% of people in general are stupid...not because they use windows...more like t s Elliot's poem "The Wasteland"

i know people who went to the top universities and are clueless ineveryday life...in ANYTHING creative (they think they are but thy are not) and are ok in following the predetermined path they've chosen...just like everyone else.

[Fyre4ce]

Originally Posted by Athens

ARR is it bad to mix 20W30 with 10W40?

It shouldn't be a problem, BUT:

You might as well change your oil. Mixing 20W30 is not good for the oil that's already in there. But more importantly, if you were driving around with the cap on your valve cover off, there's a chance some dirt got in there. Do yourself a favor and change the oil and filter. And buy a new cap.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by ironknee

i know people who went to the top universities and are clueless ineveryday life...in ANYTHING creative (they think they are but thy are not) and are ok in following the predetermined path they've chosen...just like everyone else.

You have identified an issue, but not focused on it: these people who went to "top universities" are so focused on their fields, so intent on their particular specialty, that they are unable to make toast without a lot of direct guidance. They actually BECOME whatever their specialty is, and cease to be human beings.

Let's look at a counter example. Dr. Denton Cooley, a noted (understatement!) cardiac surgeon, stopped driving himself to the hospital because he found himself going through the upcoming day's surgeries in his mind. By hiring a driver, he was able to prepare for his work without the problem of losing focus on driving. Dr. Cooley thus demonstrates that he is a physician, taking into account the wellbeing of the entire population. I differentiate here between a "physician," and a "doctor." Dr. Cooley's actions show that, while he is exceptionally good at his specialty, he is a human being.

[Fyre4ce]

One of my favorite quotes applies to this thread:

Intelligence is no guarantee against stupidity

[chris v]

Originally Posted by Kilbey

Why was your car low on oil? Is it leaking? Is the engine burning it? Why didn't you put the oil in yourself? Do you know where it goes? Why did you drive away without an oil cap? Why didn't you check on the work done to your car?



Why don't you know this already? Do you understand what viscosity of oil is? Are you stupid? What qualifies as stupid?

To answer your question, no. You simply have a oil with a viscosity between 20W30 and 10W40. You have done no harm to your engine. You are damaging the enviroment though with your oil level being low. Either you are leaking oil or burning it. If you are burning it, you are increasing the hydrocarbon content of your exhaust emissions. If you are leaking it, you are directly damaging everything the dripping oil lands on.

Find out why your oil level was low and fix it now. Don't be so stupid in the future, someone might shoot you.

I voted "no".

Thank you for typing everything I just didn't have the patience for.

[Kilbey]

Originally Posted by chris v

Thank you for typing everything I just didn't have the patience for.

Anytime.

I was at work and pretty bored. I wouldn't have done it if I wasn't getting paid for it.

[TheIceMan]

Like some of the others said, I have done a few if not many STUPID things in my life. BUT, there are some stupid people in the world. I got a friend who thought that Austin and Dallas (cities in Texas, USA) were in different time zones. This is stupid because she grew up in Dallas and Austin is only 3 hours away, in the SAME state! Not only that but she somehow managed to lock herself in a car. She also drove her car onto the sidewalk (meant for walking) into the school fountain!

[phantomdragonz]

Originally Posted by Fyre4ce

It shouldn't be a problem, BUT:

You might as well change your oil. Mixing 20W30 is not good for the oil that's already in there. But more importantly, if you were driving around with the cap on your valve cover off, there's a chance some dirt got in there. Do yourself a favor and change the oil and filter. And buy a new cap.

Mixing oil values is really not a bad thing, the "10w30, etc" is just the viscosity (the ability to be runny basically) and just so you know, almost all normal car oils have almost the same exact properties when they are at there normal running temperature.

MIXING OILS IS NOT GOING TO MESS UP YOUR ENGINE!

I would however try and get a free oil change from those guys by simply stating that dirt may have found it's way into the oil through the missing cap...

to prove my point there is a technique that can be used to clean up dirty engines, you ad ATF (automatic transmission fluid) granted you aren't supposed to run it in there for a long time, but the detergents in ATF are supposed to clean up a noisy engine. I tried this technique on my jeep engine when I swapped it in, it has a noisy lifter that makes a really annoying clicking noise when it is warm..

ANYWAYS, get a oil change, dont worry about it. yes the greese monkey forgot your oil cap... go back to the shop and have them clean out your engine bay (oil on hot engine parts smells bad) and get a free oil change at the very least...

This is why I do all the work on my own vehicles, if I mess up, it MY fault!

Oh, and always check your lug nuts on your tires after a shop takes them off, they frequently get it wrong.

Zach

[MilkmanDan]

Maybe they should just be mocked until they become so cross that they make a mistake.

[Fyre4ce]

Originally Posted by phantomdragonz

Mixing oil values is really not a bad thing, the "10w30, etc" is just the viscosity (the ability to be runny basically) and just so you know, almost all normal car oils have almost the same exact properties when they are at there normal running temperature.

MIXING OILS IS NOT GOING TO MESS UP YOUR ENGINE!

I would however try and get a free oil change from those guys by simply stating that dirt may have found it's way into the oil through the missing cap...

to prove my point there is a technique that can be used to clean up dirty engines, you ad ATF (automatic transmission fluid) granted you aren't supposed to run it in there for a long time, but the detergents in ATF are supposed to clean up a noisy engine. I tried this technique on my jeep engine when I swapped it in, it has a noisy lifter that makes a really annoying clicking noise when it is warm..

ANYWAYS, get a oil change, dont worry about it. yes the greese monkey forgot your oil cap... go back to the shop and have them clean out your engine bay (oil on hot engine parts smells bad) and get a free oil change at the very least...

This is why I do all the work on my own vehicles, if I mess up, it MY fault!

Oh, and always check your lug nuts on your tires after a shop takes them off, they frequently get it wrong.

Zach

I never said mixing oils would "mess up" your engine. I do think, however, that in the long run, it's not good to run a 30-weight oil in an engine for which the manufacturer prescribes a 40-weight (adjusting for climate considerations). On a 50k-100k mile scale, you will probably see increased wear, particularly on valvetrain components. Manufacturers perform extensive durability testing on their engines, and since higher-viscosity oils negatively impact fuel economy, if they are telling you to use a 40-weight and not a 30-weight, there is probably a good reason. But, like I said, the difference will be noticable only over the lifetime of the engine. Don't worry at all that you caused damage by driving home with a 30/40 mix. I just thought I should mention it for the sake of correctness.

The over-riding concern in this incident, I feel, is that foreign objects might have been ingested. This is the main reason I recommended changing the oil and filter pretty soon. Without the dirt issue, I would recommend you just run the 30/40 mix until your next scheduled oil change, and dump it then - it wouldn't be worth the trouble to do otherwise.

I think you and Kilbey are right - take it back to the service station, talk to the manager, and get them to clean up the mess, and give you new oil, filter, and cap while they're at it. It's the right thing for them to do, and if you're polite about it, they will probably do it.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by waxcrash

Why stop with the stupid people? Why don't we shoot all the mentally disabled, physically disabled, Africans, Pacific Islanders, Jews, Italians, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, Mexicans, Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Scientologists? Who did I forget?

Wow some people are taking this post way to serious as if I really mean it when I say stupid people should be shot

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Kilbey

Why was your car low on oil? Is it leaking? Is the engine burning it? Why didn't you put the oil in yourself? Do you know where it goes? Why did you drive away without an oil cap? Why didn't you check on the work done to your car?



Why don't you know this already? Do you understand what viscosity of oil is? Are you stupid? What qualifies as stupid?

To answer your question, no. You simply have a oil with a viscosity between 20W30 and 10W40. You have done no harm to your engine. You are damaging the enviroment though with your oil level being low. Either you are leaking oil or burning it. If you are burning it, you are increasing the hydrocarbon content of your exhaust emissions. If you are leaking it, you are directly damaging everything the dripping oil lands on.

Find out why your oil level was low and fix it now. Don't be so stupid in the future, someone might shoot you.

I voted "no".

Kilbey are you a natural born @#$@%$#@ or did you go to school to be such a grade A jerk? Because your always on my case

I didn't put the oil in myself because I went to a full service gas station which happens to be the only kind in the city I was in because of a silly bilaw they law they have. And yes it has a slow leak, the car is prob older then you. Generally when a oil low light comes on I like to take care of it before I get back on the freeway not wait until I get home 40km away on a road that I average 140kph on. Yes I do know where it goes, and he closed the hood, and I assumed being emplyeed at a job he should know how to do his job. Why would I check to see if the cap is on, its not like he was rebuilding my engine, he was dumping oil into it, a monkey can do that and im serious a monkey CAN do that. And I wouldnt be surprised if I am burning it since you mentioned the higher hydrocarbons, under load that is the only test the car fails at the aircare center.

Is it safe to assume you know a lot about cars?

Originally Posted by phantomdragonz

Mixing oil values .....

Oh, and always check your lug nuts on your tires after a shop takes them off, they frequently get it wrong.

Zach

Funny you bring that up, that happened once to me, my rear left tire started making a noise at high speeds, and it was getting worst so i stopped, check and it had one nut that was a half turn from coming off, and the other 3 where missing. I almost lost the wheel at 120kph on the freeway.

[effgee]

Originally Posted by Athens

ARRRR I hate stupid people!!! ... ARGH anyways who agrees with me about them being shot, and tell your stories of stupid people. ...

Shooting all stupid people? Whoa, that would be one lonely-ass planet ... kinda boring as well.

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by budster101

I voted yes before I voted no.

And no, we are all stupid.

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by Athens

Kilbey are you a natural born @#$@%$#@ or did you go to school to be such a grade A jerk? Because your always on my case
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He was trying to make a point. Did you get it?

[OreoCookie]

Last time I checked, stupidity was not a punishable offense.

[Kilbey]

Originally Posted by Zimphire

He was trying to make a point. Did you get it?

Obviously not. He's the typical liberal who can't admit a mistake.

Originally Posted by Athens

Kilbey are you a natural born @#$@%$#@ or did you go to school to be such a grade A jerk? Because your always on my case

Nope, I work hard at it. School of hard knocks. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Athens

I didn't put the oil in myself because I went to a full service gas station which happens to be the only kind in the city I was in because of a silly bilaw they law they have.

And you can't buy oil in any other city because of this "bilaw"?

Originally Posted by Athens

And yes it has a slow leak, the car is prob older then you. Generally when a oil low light comes on I like to take care of it before I get back on the freeway not wait until I get home 40km away on a road that I average 140kph on.

Do you realize what you are doing to the environment with you "slow leak"?!?! You WAIT UNTIL THE LOW OIL LIGHT COMES ON?!?! Amazing. Here, let me give you a little tip: get the oil leak fixed and you'll probably save a lot of money not going to full-service stations and paying a "monkey" to do it for you. If you only knew what a drop of oil can do to a water source.

Originally Posted by Athens

Yes I do know where it goes, and he closed the hood, and I assumed being emplyeed at a job he should know how to do his job. Why would I check to see if the cap is on, its not like he was rebuilding my engine, he was dumping oil into it, a monkey can do that and im serious a monkey CAN do that.

But you can't. Monkeys have got you on that one. And you pay them money to do it.

Originally Posted by Athens

And I wouldnt be surprised if I am burning it since you mentioned the higher hydrocarbons, under load that is the only test the car fails at the aircare center.

You are a real piece of work you know that?

Originally Posted by Athens

Is it safe to assume you know a lot about cars?

Yup. Went to college for it and worked as an experimental engineering test technician for GM for 3 years.

Originally Posted by Athens

Funny you bring that up, that happened once to me, my rear left tire started making a noise at high speeds, and it was getting worst so i stopped, check and it had one nut that was a half turn from coming off, and the other 3 where missing. I almost lost the wheel at 120kph on the freeway.

Darwin's theory is going to catch up to you before someone who believes in shooting stupid people can take aim.

Keep up the good posts athens. They sure make for a good laugh.

[Fyre4ce]

Holy ****. The bullets are flying tonight.

[Kilbey]

Originally Posted by Fyre4ce

Holy ****. The bullets are flying tonight.

Actually, the "nays" are winning the poll.

[Ω]

Originally Posted by Kilbey

Actually, the "nays" are winning the poll.

I only voted "nay" because then who would do all the menial jobs?

[Kilbey]

Originally Posted by _?_

I only voted "nay" because then who would do all the menial jobs?

Believe me, they have the important jobs too.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Kilbey

Obviously not. He's the typical liberal who can't admit a mistake.

I do admit to mistakes, I make them all the time. When you have some one serivce your car, and are paying them for it and they are supose to know what they are doing, how is that my mistake and not his?

Nope, I work hard at it. School of hard knocks. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Again some people are taking this to serious, do you think I really ment that stupid people really should be shot? I was pointing out something some one did that was stupid, i had intended that this thread become a thread of posts of stupid events in others lives.

And you can't buy oil in any other city because of this "bilaw"?

are you telling me when you are paying extra and you are at a full service station which includes your windows being washed, oil checked your not going to make use of the full service?

Do you realize what you are doing to the environment with you "slow leak"?!?! You WAIT UNTIL THE LOW OIL LIGHT COMES ON?!?! Amazing. Here, let me give you a little tip: get the oil leak fixed and you'll probably save a lot of money not going to full-service stations and paying a "monkey" to do it for you. If you only knew what a drop of oil can do to a water source.

A slow leak that took 2 years to set off the low oil light, and im sorry to point this out to you but almost all cars over 8 years old develope a small oil leak. My car is almost 20 years old with 160 000 miles/245 000km on it and barly leaks any oil, which is pretty dam good for a old car.

But you can't. Monkeys have got you on that one. And you pay them money to do it.



You are a real piece of work you know that?

Just as you are, and you know that too!

Yup. Went to college for it and worked as an experimental engineering test technician for GM for 3 years.



Darwin's theory is going to catch up to you before someone who believes in shooting stupid people can take aim.

Keep up the good posts athens. They sure make for a good laugh.

whatever, at least you got the point of this thread, a good laugh which it was supose to be not a serious statement, god im sure if I lived in the US after this post I would have been arrested for thinking murder or something.


Since you know so much about cars, perhaps you can help me figure this out....

Idle car passes all aircare tests, at 60KP/H it passes all tests except the hydrocarbons, it fails that one and by a decent amount. There is no bluesmoke to indicate its burning oil, what do you think it could be. 2.0L inline 4 with fuel injection. As well when I replaced the sparkplugs they where in pretty bad shape leaving me to believe the mixture could be off which might be the O2 sensor which is the next thing im going to replace.

[phantomdragonz]

Originally Posted by Fyre4ce

I never said mixing oils would "mess up" your engine. I do think, however, that in the long run, it's not good to run a 30-weight oil in an engine for which the manufacturer prescribes a 40-weight (adjusting for climate considerations).

When oil reaches it's normal operating temperature (when the engine is at it's normal temp) it acts just the same be it 10W30, 10W40, Etc. the only reason it might be a good idea to go to a heavier weight in an older car is to slow leaks as it's viscosity is higher. But in cold climates with a heavier weight oil it will take longer to warm up, which would take it longer to reach it's full lubricating abilities, but the difference is usually negligible for most of us...


Zach

[demograph68]

I need to be shot. PM me for address. Thanks. Bye.

[Yose]

Maybe we should just shoot people who end questions with exclamation marks.

[Fyre4ce]

Originally Posted by phantomdragonz

When oil reaches it's normal operating temperature (when the engine is at it's normal temp) it acts just the same be it 10W30, 10W40, Etc. the only reason it might be a good idea to go to a heavier weight in an older car is to slow leaks as it's viscosity is higher. But in cold climates with a heavier weight oil it will take longer to warm up, which would take it longer to reach it's full lubricating abilities, but the difference is usually negligible for most of us...


Zach

This is not true. The second number in the oil's viscosity rating (ie, the 30 in 10W-30) refers to the viscosity when the oil is hot (I believe the standard temperature is 210 F). The first number refers to the viscosity when the oil is cold (the 'W' means 'winter'). The SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) sets standards where a "30-weight" corresponds to a range of viscosities at set temperatures, and the higher the number, the more viscous the fluid is. Thus a 10W-30 behaves like a 10-weight oil when it's cold, and behaves like a 30-weight oil when it's hot. The viscosity still decreases with temperature, but not as much as if it were a straight-weight.

I do not advise running 10W-30 in an engine for which the manufacturer prescribes 10W-40. Like I said, though, it is dependent on climate because even multi-grade oils change viscosity sharply with temperature. If you're living in Alaska then it might be completely reasonable to run 10W-30. On the other hand, if you live in Arizona, you might want to run a 20W-50.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Yose

Maybe we should just shoot people who end questions with exclamation marks.

I said that already - copycat wannabe