[Langdon]

"Following discussions with Apple, this version will no longer allow customers to create audio CDs, audio DVDs, or export audio to their hard drive using purchased iTunes music store content.
link

great to hear!

[MrForgetable]

i think i'll stay with toast 6.0.9 thanks.

[zizban]

Originally Posted by Langdon

"Following discussions with Apple, this version will no longer allow customers to create audio CDs, audio DVDs, or export audio to their hard drive using purchased iTunes music store content.
link

great to hear!

Thanks, um, Roxio

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by Langdon

"Following discussions with Apple, this version will no longer allow customers to create audio CDs, audio DVDs, or export audio to their hard drive using purchased iTunes music store content.
link

great to hear!

Ever stop to think that this may be at the Music Industry's convenience, not Apple's?

[zerostar]

I recently tried to burn a purchased song in toast 6.0.9 and it gave me a warning saying "Not authorized for digital export"

Previously purchased Protected AAC files worked (and still do) just fine, it is only my newly purchsed songs.

So Apple already updated the iTMS to disable this (or Roxio did in 6.0.9) and I suspect this new Toast version won't burn ANY iTMS songs, not just the new protected+ AAC songs.

I suppose the iTMS TOS says only 7 burns of a specific playlist are allowed, so being able to circumvent this in toast might have pissed the RIAA off a bit? who knows....

So now the only option is to burn songs is inside iTunes, I hope apple plans on supporting the plethora of after-market and external drives since you can't use some with iTunes without 'patches' and such nonsense.

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by zizban

Thanks, um, Roxio

Isn't it Sonic now? Man oh man sonic stunk when I had to deal with them for pro apps, now they will control Toast?

Hopefully someone will compete with them soon :-)

[Agasthya]

It is removing all audio burning or just iTMS audio burning?

[sideus]

Burning of said proctected files is still possible with the older version of Toast correct?

[alphasubzero949]

Well, I found a copy of a certain DRM-stripping app and it still works with iTunes 4.8. Now I can update my copy of Toast and burn away.

(No, I'm not a pirate, and prior to this stunt, I was happily burning custom audio CDs with my purchased music)

Prior to this, I would have never given a second thought to circumventing what I considered an already "fair" DRM model. When Apple tries to tell me what application I can use with my purchased music? That crossed the line IMO.

[porieux]

...

[demograph68]

I never bought DRM music and I never will.

[saltines17]

Ick. If iTunes allowed DAO burning, then fine, but it doesn't.

[alphasubzero949]

Originally Posted by saltines17

Ick. If iTunes allowed DAO burning, then fine, but it doesn't.

Don't hold your breath. They still can't even support CD-TEXT for crying out loud.

[sideus]

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

Don't hold your breath. They still can't even support CD-TEXT for crying out loud.

Toast has the option for CD-Text but how do I use it? My CD player supports it but when I burn an audio cd as CD-Text, the songs still do not display on the player.

[DeathMan]

I've been buy CDs a lot lately too. Downloading music legally just doesn't seem worth it. Plus the prices of lots of CDs are falling, sometimes quite dramatically. I got that Kaiser Chiefs CD at target for like $8.

[Zimphire]

RIAA -->Apple --> Roxio

**** flows downhill.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by Zimphire

RIAA -->Apple --> Roxio

**** flows downhill.

**** = water?

water flows downhill..

[effgee]

Same crap as always ... Joe Schmoe doesn't care because he doesn't get it. By the time he realizes what happened (when he tries to burn his first audio cd) it'll be too late. For as long as "we" (as in: "consumers in general") bend over with a big retarded grin on our faces, shite like this will continue - nothing new about that.

And while this does of course reek of pressure from the music industry, I somehow doubt it's the RIAA itself - if only because where I'm sitting they have about as much influence as the emperor of China - none.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by zerostar

I suppose the iTMS TOS says only 7 burns of a specific playlist are allowed, so being able to circumvent this in toast might have pissed the RIAA off a bit? who knows....

You can already circumvent it within iTunes itself by changing the order of songs in the playlist and changing them back, or deleting a song and adding it back.

[Cody Dawg]

I think it's terrible.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

Well, I found a copy of a certain DRM-stripping app and it still works with iTunes 4.8. Now I can update my copy of Toast and burn away.

http://www.hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/

-t

[ghporter]

The RIAA wants to make money for the labels. They do NOT care about how the labels mistreat their artists (horribly, by the way), nor that their greed negatively impacts their market. They are ONLY interested in the money. I have NEVER bought a song from iTunes because I strongly contest the assumption that I am even thinking about selling or giving away copies of songs I buy, and thus all songs must be protected from that possibility.

Digital piracy is a problem, but it's still more an issue of bad guys in the Far East (it's not just Shanghai and Hong Kong anymore) making millions of bit-for-bit pressed copies of everything from music CDs, to movie DVDs to software and selling them for less than a blank CD-R costs here.

Psychologically, this tendency of the RIAA is called "projection." They can't individually do anything against the real pirates, so they "project" their anger at their customers. Sorry guys, but I don't play that game. And I'm still NEVER going to buy anything from iTunes.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ghporter

And I'm still NEVER going to buy anything from iTunes.

Why ? Because of the DRM, or because you don't buy music at all ?

-t

[ghporter]

I buy more music from the more traditional channels than I do online, but I also buy used CD (only in part because the RIAA hates this). I buy songs from Musicmatch because their DRM is significantly less intrusive, and because they use a music format that is supported by more players. I am one of probably 15 people worldwide that does NOT own an iPod (yet ), so I handle my music differently than a lot of folks-I burn MP3 discs and play them on a portable MP3-capable CD player.

My problem with iTunes is more the aggressive "anti-piracy" attitude of their DRM than anything else.

[wdlove]

This doesn't make any sense. Does Roxio want to end its affilation with Apple customers.

Apple recommends that you backup your iTunes music in case of an accidental loss.

[budster101]

Never liked their products, now I'm certain to never buy them ever.
There are many free, or shareware utilities that are cheaper and work better.

I'll post links to them if anyone wants them.

YuBurner is nice.

[Skip Breakfast]

I just want to buy vinyl records again.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by zizban

Thanks, um, Roxio

Shouldn't this be "Thanks, um, Apple

If it were the RIAA, why would they be getting Apple to ask Roxio to cripple Toast 6.1? Wouldn't they just go to Roxio directly?

[alphasubzero949]

Originally Posted by turtle777

http://www.hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/

-t

That's why I always let someone else mention it.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Shouldn't this be "Thanks, um, Apple

If it were the RIAA, why would they be getting Apple to ask Roxio to cripple Toast 6.1? Wouldn't they just go to Roxio directly?

No, actually it should be "Thanks, um, RIAA." Because the iTunes music store is dependent on the content provided by RIAA members, and if they pull out, the store fails. Apple may not particularly WANT to make those kinds of restrictions, but they have their hands tied. "Tell Roxio not to allow people to burn audio CDs with iTMS songs or we'll pull our catalog."

[ort888]

The first thing I do after buying songs from iTunes is strip the DRM by burning them to CD and reimporting them. I switch hard drives way to much to mess with any DRM.

[alphasubzero949]

And the irony? Hilary Rosen thinks that Apple is restricting her "freedom" to listen to her songs on anything other than iPods...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblo...jobs-let-.html

Well gee, weren't you the one crying foul over piracy?

[Ambassadeur]

Originally Posted by ort888

The first thing I do after buying songs from iTunes is strip the DRM by burning them to CD and reimporting them. I switch hard drives way to much to mess with any DRM.

Burning them as in "burning audio CDs" and then re-importing? I thought there was some quality loss involved that way and this should only be the last way out, sort of...

[ort888]

Well, I hear that there may be some quality loss, but my untrained ear is unable to detect it.

I always prefer to get my music on CD, but sometimes the iTunes store has stuff I can't easily get or is considerably cheaper (or free thanks to Pepsi).

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ort888

The first thing I do after buying songs from iTunes is strip the DRM by burning them to CD and reimporting them. I switch hard drives way to much to mess with any DRM.

Well, maybe you want to read the WHOLE thread and follow the links
That'll help ya out !

-t

[ort888]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Well, maybe you want to read the WHOLE thread and follow the links
That'll help ya out !

-t

Originally Posted by www.hymn-project.org

If you ever do end up having to burn and re-rip (the day is almost certainly coming when JHymn won't work, at least for a while, because Apple has updated their DRM), I recommend re-ripping your iTMS purchases as at least 192 kbps AAC files, or VBR (variable bit rate) MP3 files with an equivalent or better bit rate, in order to minimize the negative effects of a second generation of lossy compression.

Originally Posted by www.hymn-project.org

The point is you should be aware of the trade-offs of converting to MP3. There are advantages to MP3 as well, such as access to a greater variety of music players, burning 8-hour plus CDs that will play in your car's MP3-capable CD player, and an added degree of safety from any DRM "gotcha" games that might arise in the future with scrubbed AAC files which, as it might turn out, weren't scrubbed thoroughly enough.

I can use rolly eyes too, see.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ort888

I can use rolly eyes too, see.

So your point is: you are not using it AT THE MOMENT because it might stop working IN THE FUTURE ?

-t

[Xeo]

Originally Posted by wdlove

This doesn't make any sense. Does Roxio want to end its affilation with Apple customers.

Apple recommends that you backup your iTunes music in case of an accidental loss.

You can still burn the actual DRM'd files to a CD or DVD with Toast or any other method. That's not what it being talked about. The subject at hand is burning audio CDs and DVDs with the music from those DRM'd files. Apparently you can't do it in Toast anymore whereas before, you could burn your music using Toast all you wanted and you wouldn't use up your limited number of burns.

[MacMan4000]

Last timed I needed it JHymn worked flawlessly... I Highly recommend it to anyone wishing to exercise their rights to play iTMS music elsewhere. I recently copied my entire music collection (about 8 gigs worth) to a firewire drive and then back to the iMac drive (for a fresh Tiger install) and I had to un-DRM all my iTMS music... JHymn saved the day

On a side note, the new Dave Matthews CD is pissing me off. Its excellent music and I recommend it, but the disk it comes on (yeah, I went out and bought it) is a pain in the ass. It can be bought 2 ways, as a regular CD, or a CD/DVD "dual-disk" for only 3 more bucks. So of course I got the CD/DVD "dual-disk".

I was expecting a 2 disk set, just like Pink Floyd's The Wall 2 disk set... in a double wide cd case. But instead I got a DVD on one side, and a cd on the other side of one disk! Kinda like those DVDs with widescreen on one side and Fullscreen on the other. But the problem is that none of my cd players recognized the cd. After repeated tries (of both sides) I decided to read the "all about dual-disk" crap in the CD booklet. It says, and I quote, "The audio side of this disk does not confrm to CD specifications and therefore not all DVD and CD players will play the audio side of this disk." !!!!!!!

I was flippin' pissed. I eventually found a cd player that could play it, which happened to be my dad's iMac. I was surprised his older G4 iMac could play it fine, but my iMac G5 couldn't even mount it on the desktop. Anyway I made a copy on my dad's iMac, using Toast 6.0.9 and everything is fine now...

I just had to rant about that. Sorry to get off topic.

[turtle777]

Pfff, rip the CD and return it. Somehow they gotta learn that these kind of non-conforming CDs are NOT acceptable...

-t

[ink]

What's the point?

A CD is just another audio device, like your soundcard, your iPod or whatever. That some yokel, somewhere, actually believes that crap like this will do anything other than drive down online sales (and increase piracy) just amazes me. A better solution would be a warning window that says something to the effect of "This audio CD is for your personal use only, it is illegal to yadda yadda yadda, and will be created with your iTunes public key [Accept Button] [Decline Button]" when you burn a disc.

Ditto for this "only copy 5 times" crap. My brother has had severe problems with his iBook, and was unable to unauthorize his music from one logic board to the next. He had to call to get permission to listen to his already-purchased music, and got nothing but cheek from the iTunes support staff. Support Rep: "In the future, you must unauthorize a player before sending it in for repair." My Brother: "If I could have booted up my computer, I would have."

I'm glad that we don't have "secure" trusted computing yet, otherwise computer audio would become as annoying as those "operation not permitted" restrictions on our DVD players. Oh, and there are hacks abound that get around that, but you can go to jail for 5 years for making them (horray for the DMCA).

I think I'll go an get a concealed handgun permit now, I mean, it's easier than buying online music.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Pfff, rip the CD and return it. Somehow they gotta learn that these kind of non-conforming CDs are NOT acceptable...

-t

Well, those combo DVD/CDs aren't really protected with any Audio CD copy protection techniques... it's more of a physical issue.

Look here for more info.

If the audio portion were copy protected in the way we usually think of Audio CD copy protection, then the non-combo CDs would be protected too, but they're not.

[ort888]

Originally Posted by turtle777

So your point is: you are not using it AT THE MOMENT because it might stop working IN THE FUTURE ?

-t

No, I do it because I'm unable to hear the difference in quality, it's a lot easier than downloading some weird third party software that may or may not work and will eventually stop working, it's legal, and it's easy.

Oh yeah, and here Senior Rolly Eyes...

[timmerk]

I'll tell you why they did it. I used Toast before this update to convert protected AACs files (bought by me) to normal AAC/MP3/AIFF/whatever files. I just wrote an Applescript that did it for me. It was fun while it lasted.

[MilkmanDan]

Thank goodness no one I know has ever paid for Toast... or even uses it.

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by MilkmanDan

Thank goodness no one I know has ever paid for Toast... or even uses it.

You must not know a lot of people.

[timmerk]

Or he knows a lot of pirates ;-)

[SoBayJake]

Ok, I missed something. I thought burning audio CDs of iTunes purchased music was disabled a while ago by Apple? I have Tiger, iTunes 4.7, Toast 6.0.4. When I add a song from iTunes to the audio CD, it "acts" like it converts its, but when its played back, its just silent.

Did an update from 6.0.4 to 6.0.9 re-enable the ability to burn audio CDs??

[alphasubzero949]

QT 7 "fixed" it.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Person Man

Ever stop to think that this may be at the Music Industry's convenience, not Apple's?

I doubt it