[darwin23]

Sudo rm -rf Joy!peffpwpc

Anyone else have that sick feeling?

There's no logic in it, how one could have an emotional response to losing a CPU, however.......

Here is you chance to reminisce over your PPC.

It's a five Post program that will help wean you from RISC and bring you that "new love" feeling for CISC.

Post 1> Denial (This is the Step I am in now I'll get back to you with the other steps when I reach step 2)

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by darwin23

Sudo rm -rf Joy!peffpwpc
Anyone else have that sick feeling?
There's no logic in it, how one could have an emotional response to losing a CPU, however.......
Here is you chance to reminisce over your PPC.
It's a five Post program that will help wean you from RISC and bring you that "new love" feeling for CISC.
Post 1> Denial (This is the Step I am in now I'll get back to you with the other steps when I reach step 2)

I'm completely ignorant and my first thought was; "big deal, so they've changed chip-sets." Now I'm reading about people jumping ship, etc... and problems with transitions, compatibility, etc... Then I began to get that sick feeling that darwin 23 is talking about. Someone please help me understand some things;

1) What are the implications of this transition?

2) Is it bad for current PPC users?

3) What about future PPC purchases?

4) decreased resale value of current macs, or decreased prices on current macs?

Maybe we should start an "implications" thread. I know that there's an awful lot of speculation around all this, but I just want to know what all the implications are? Stupid questions like, if I get an Intel/Apple mini; will it network flawlessly w/ my current PPC machines? Just last year bought a dual 2 Ghz G5 and I'm happy with it. Will anything cause me to be less happy with it? Will the new Intel/Apple computers be more apt to crash, slow because of emulation or anything? I mean, what the heck does this all ultimitely mean? Is there any reason for discontent with this move? Can I buy some uber-cheap PC and run Tiger on it? What about software applications like Digital Performer? I already need to pay $150.00 upgrade to MOTU if I want to use Tiger. Will I have to do it again if I were to get an Intel/Mac further down the road? How seamless a transition can this be? Is this cause for alarm or is it like a quarterback dropping back for the deep pass. It may appear Apple is taking a step backward only to jump light years ahead in the near future? the guy @ Intel and Steve are buddies, does this mean some monster hybrid chip is in the offing? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? WHERE AM I?

[memento]

I think the reason for some discontent lies in the perception that we've had (right or wrong) that PPC is superior to Intel. RISC vs. CISC. People are passionate about their Apple stuff. I have mixed feelings but an going to wait it out. Too many unknowns for now. I'm not dumping Apple for sure. My current machines should be good to hold out for a couple years. It will be cool to run Windows natively when we need to. Maybe like SheepShaver did with OS8 and BeOS. (or maconlinux does now).

resale value? dunno. Speaking of BeOS - I'm still looking to pick up a BeBox cheap! I have all the BeOS releases that I used to run on my PowerCenter and now want that machine for novelty reasons.

[Randman]

Ex-PPC support group? What a joke.

[darwin23]

I think the reason for some discontent lies in the perception that we've had (right or wrong) that PPC is superior to Intel. RISC vs. CISC. People are passionate about their Apple stuff.

I agree.


Ex-PPC support group? What a joke.

Yes, the title of the thread and the thread are a supposed to be funny. If you have something worthwhile to add please do so, if not, don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.

[Randman]

So, this thread is adding something that all of the other threads related to the Intel are missing?

[darwin23]

Originally Posted by Randman

So, this thread is adding something that all of the other threads related to the Intel are missing?

Yes, wit, something lost on you.

Now, kindly, see your way back to all of the other threads related to the Intel .

[Randman]

Originally Posted by darwin23

Yes, wit.

Well, you're half right.

[wdlove]

Support groups can be very important assist individuals over times of great anxiety.

[osxisfun]

only problem is there is not need for a support group until the ppc needs supporting... like in 3 years.

[Lateralus]

Randman, don't be a dick. That's my job.

[Randman]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

Randman, don't be a dick. That's my job.

[darwin23]

Randman, still waiting for you to Post something worthwhile. While you have succeeded in becoming annoying, I tire of repartee with some one with the IQ of a *stone.

Don't bother to reply as you will henceforth be ignored.

* This is to imply stone as in rock, not STONED as in high, as stoned folks have groovy things to say, man.

[darwin23]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

Randman, don't be a dick. That's my job.

That was funny, old but funny.

Timeless.

[darwin23]

Originally Posted by wdlove

Support groups can be very important assist individuals over times of great anxiety.

Great anxiety seems a good term.

Seems after years of learning to optimize code for PPC( not the easily ported generic code that I consider "lose" or "sloppy") I must now learn SSE2. Very disconcerting.

About the last 5 years I've been learning Open Firmware and the Open Firmware to PCI Bus Bindings as they relate to PPC Macs and OS X.

Now this too seems up in the air, and I feel Apple has left small-time outfits/hobbyists like me out on a limb.

[Randman]

Originally Posted by darwin23

Randman, still waiting for you to Post something worthwhile.

Oh, I have plenty of stuff to say on the matter. Look around and you'll find plenty. Just not in half-wit threads by some rookie.

[darwin23]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

only problem is there is not need for a support group until the ppc needs supporting... like in 3 years.

I don't agree, I'm getting a Developer Intel-Base Mac now, as I need to start porting my code NOW.

So my need, and the need of many other developers is now. Apple has thankfully offered us these Macs for $999 plus the base $500 for an ADC Select Membership.

My hats off to them for this, it a "home run", from my prospective, other wise I'd go back to LinuxPPC.

[Ghoser777]

Tough crowd...

[osxisfun]

>I don't agree, I'm getting a Developer Intel-Base Mac now, as I need to start porting my code NOW.

I am glad you are doing this.

Unlike some around here you are open minded at least. my hat off to you.

best of luck. (and let us know how the dev machine is (if it does not break nda))

[euphras]

....... Just not in half-wit threads by some rookie.

ouch, i thought it´s policy not to judge members according to their post count

[brapper]

meh, I you need one, you're being a pansy.

[darwin23]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

>I don't agree, I'm getting a Developer Intel-Base Mac now, as I need to start porting my code NOW.

I am glad you are doing this.

Unlike some around here you are open minded at least. my hat off to you.

best of luck. (and let us know how the dev machine is (if it does not break nda))

If it does not break the NDA I'll let you know what I find.

I don't have much choice as, I believe, PPC Desktops will not get any FASTER/Better after Apple ships it's last RISC Mac.

In the end of the day it's the lose of a viable choice from x86 that bothers me the most.

Anytime the end-user/consumer loses choice, I think, it's a bad thing.

If it does not pan out for me I may go 64-bit AMD/w Linux.

or

Other PPC G4/G5 based hardware if they emerge as a viable alternative.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by ebuddy

1) What are the implications of this transition?

That's a pretty vague question, and we don't really have the answers yet. From the way things look now, the main upshot is that we'll finally get a decent revision in the PowerBook line.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

2) Is it bad for current PPC users?

Well, it's not good for current PPC users. I don't think it will be very bad, though, either. There will probably be some annoyances on both sides (a few apps that don't work right on both processors because the devs don't have both systems to test on, for example), but assuming Apple is on top of things, it shouldn't be too painful. Like I said, though, it's not really possible to predict the future.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

3) What about future PPC purchases?

They'll be the same as past PPC purchases. There's no change to the PPC line right now.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

4) decreased resale value of current macs, or decreased prices on current macs?

All computers decrease in resale value over time. Every new release ages them a little bit faster. So I'd say yes, but only because it's normal.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

if I get an Intel/Apple mini; will it network flawlessly w/ my current PPC machines?

It should, yeah. A poorly written application might have problems, but that would just be careless coding. The system's networking should be flawless.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Will the new Intel/Apple computers be more apt to crash, slow because of emulation or anything?

No processors are apt to crash (or at least no processors that aren't seriously defective). Processors just do what they are told. Assuming Apple write competent code, crashing shouldn't be a problem. Apps that aren't recompiled to make use of the Intel architecture will be somewhat slower because of emulation.

All in all, I think it's really not possible to say exactly what the full implications are right now because the full situation hasn't panned out.