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Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 8, 2005, 10:22 AM

A Silicon Valley start-up called Transitive is supplying Apple Computer with a crucial bridge to enable the move to Intel-based computers, but skeptics worry about performance problems that have plagued similar products.

http://news.com.com/The+brains+behin...tag=macintouch

JoshuaZ · Jun 8, 2005, 10:30 AM

Looks like Steve is impressed enough with it. I mean, it was running MS Word and Photoshope with some speed, so I imagine it'll do most everything just fine.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 8, 2005, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

Looks like Steve is impressed enough with it. I mean, it was running MS Word and Photoshope with some speed, so I imagine it'll do most everything just fine.

Actually if you watched he LAUNCHED photoshop. He was smart enough not to do anything with it.

Commodus · Jun 8, 2005, 10:42 AM

I hear that at least one person at the head of Transitive was involved with NeXT. That would add support to the theory that what Jobs really wanted was a NeXT takeover of Apple. It only took him close to 10 years to do it.

TETENAL · Jun 8, 2005, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

A Silicon Valley start-up called Transitive

It's not a Silicon Valley start-up.

http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/259310/what-is-rosetta/

JoshuaZ · Jun 8, 2005, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Actually if you watched he LAUNCHED photoshop. He was smart enough not to do anything with it.

I guess you're completely right about that one. I guess we'll have to wait and see what information on speed results that developers leek out to us.

Maybe some game frame rates?

I was just impressed by how iPhoto was working. It can be such a dog with 4000+ photos.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 8, 2005, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

I guess you're completely right about that one. I guess we'll have to wait and see what information on speed results that developers leek out to us.

it is well known that Photoshop used lots of Alti-vec. If steve would have tried any tricks with it you would have seen how damn slow it is as it has to go back to the G3 code.

JoshuaZ · Jun 8, 2005, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

it is well known that Photoshop used lots of Alti-vec. If steve would have tried any tricks with it you would have seen how damn slow it is as it has to go back to the G3 code.

If it really matters that much to people, I would guess they'd buy the new version of the software when they spend $3k on a new Powermac. Same in most any area of software.

d0ubled0wn · Jun 8, 2005, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Actually if you watched he LAUNCHED photoshop. He was smart enough not to do anything with it.

Actually I thought it took forever just to launch. It might have been smarter to already have it up and running, then run a few simple filters. Doesn't matter since Adobe will no doubt have a native version available for the new Macs.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 8, 2005, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

If it really matters that much to people, I would guess they'd buy the new version of the software when they spend $3k on a new Powermac. Same in most any area of software.

The problem is not buying the new software it is IF the software is available to buy. Remember the native Photoshop and Quark took YEARS to come out even though everyone was waving the money in the air.

Steve also said the same thing about how it takes just a couple weeks to port yadda yadda.

JoshuaZ · Jun 8, 2005, 11:04 AM

That was before, when companies were unsure of OS X. If its as easy to port as Steve says, it should be no problem to switch in the next release.

Adobe had an OS X version out rather quickly, during the days of 10.1 (which was kind of a slow dog). And Quark, well, its just Quark. Some win, some lose.

starman · Jun 8, 2005, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Actually if you watched he LAUNCHED photoshop. He was smart enough not to do anything with it.

Actually, if you watched, he DID do something with it.

Mike

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 8, 2005, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Actually, if you watched, he DID do something with it.

Mike

What?

TETENAL · Jun 8, 2005, 11:14 AM

Emboss filter

Goldfinger · Jun 8, 2005, 11:56 AM

And pretty quickly as well. Hell it launched Photoshop faster than my 867mhz G4 launches CS2.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 8, 2005, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Goldfinger

And pretty quickly as well. Hell it launched Photoshop faster than my 867mhz G4 launches CS2.

well it was a zillion times slower than my G5.

JoshuaZ · Jun 8, 2005, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

well it was a zillion times slower than my G5.

I like where this fight is going. Cat fight! No use actually comparing speeds now. Frickin wait until computers officially come out.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 8, 2005, 12:05 PM

You must have been watching a different keynote than me, he launched Photoshop, opened two largish images and applied two filters to one of them. I can't remember the first one, but the second one was definitely emboss.

And Photoshop CS2 takes frickin' long time to boot any which machine you run it on. It launched twice as fast as launching it on my 1Ghz PB on that PC and not much longer than on this dual G5 2.0GHz. And I watched closely too, as I was interested in that section. He did have far fewer fonts than me installed on that PC though

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jun 8, 2005, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

I like where this fight is going. Cat fight! No use actually comparing speeds now. Frickin wait until computers officially come out.

The benchmarks that already came out are really bad. Lets hope we don't go through another "debug code" thing.

JoshuaZ · Jun 8, 2005, 12:09 PM

Benchmarks which are tailored for Altivec. xBench is not a good source right now for valid info.

alex_kac · Jun 8, 2005, 10:19 PM

Not only that - it was emulated xBench.

ender2002 · Jun 8, 2005, 10:34 PM

You guys. seriously. just wait until they remove the debug code. they never did it for powerpc because they were waiting for intel.

i cannot wait to see os x scream on every mac when they remove that stupid debug code!!

osxpinot · Jun 8, 2005, 10:36 PM

I wonder if Rosetta supports MacOS.app?

Ghoser777 · Jun 8, 2005, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

The benchmarks that already came out are really bad. Lets hope we don't go through another "debug code" thing.

My guess is that bigs apps like Photoshop are going to be re-written to be a universal binaries, so no biggie. Some of the smaller apps that haven't been updated in awhile (like any of mine) are not processor intensive enough to show a significant difference. In a year, when the first intel mac comes out, most apps by then will hopefully have an update made, and hopefully all developers are using the universal binary versions, and there will be no problems. But this is, of course, dependent on two things:

1. Most apps getting updated in the next year (highly likely)
2. Most developers using universal binaries (anyone's guess)