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Of Mouses and Men (and Women and Transgendered Individuals)
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I personally hate the term 'mouses'. The plural of 'mouse' is 'mice'.
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I say Mice, so it is decided then 
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We had a pretty big discussion on this not that long ago.
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Mice, no doubt.
The fact that you spelled it 'mouses' in the thread title, combined with the fact that I always mix up whether it's you or xi_hyperon that's German, made me think the word 'mouse' in this case referred to a certain part of female anatomy. Needless to say, I expected the contents of the thread to be somewhat different. 
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mice.
tor-NAY-do or tor-NAH-do?
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[tɔː(r)'neɪdəʊ], of course!
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Originally Posted by Randman
We had a pretty big discussion on this not that long ago.
I probably started that one too. 
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Meeses? As in: "I love the meeses to pieces.
I voted "Mice".
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Originally Posted by Oisín
[tɔː(r)'neɪdəʊ], of course!
haven't seen those since Intro to Linguistics many years ago!
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The Lord said 'Peter, I can see your house from here.'
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Originally Posted by ReggieX
haven't seen those since Intro to Linguistics many years ago!
[tɔːrneɪdəʊ]'s specifically, or IPA in general? 
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Just IPA.  I liked the class so much I almost changed my major.
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The Lord said 'Peter, I can see your house from here.'
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The plural for house is hice.
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Anyone who denies climate changes naturally is a Climate Change Skeptic.
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Originally Posted by Oisín
[tɔː(r)'neɪdəʊ], of course!
But, um, that transcription's off.
[to:(r)'nejdow] is closer (I can't do superscript here, so the j and w are inline, instead of small superscripts to show an off-glide).
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Originally Posted by Railroader
Meeses? As in: "I love the meeses to pieces.
I voted "Mice".
I almost put Meeses as an option too.
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Originally Posted by tooki
But, um, that transcription's off.
[toː(r)'nejdow] is closer (I can't do superscript here, so the j and w are inline, instead of small superscripts to show an off-glide).
Sorry, should have specified: that was IPA for English, not just IPA. And of course, in American English, the [əʊ] diphthong is realised like [oʊ] instead.
Even in 'normal' IPA, however, it can never be [toː(ɹ)'neʲdoʷ], since [o] doesn't exist in English pronunciation; it would have to be [tɔː(ɹ)'neʲdɔʷ]. (Was that what you meant, being unable to get the [ɔ] in?)
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This is all very nice, mice and houses, thank you.
But what is the past tense of sync, as in, I will hot sync my Palm now?
sanc? sunc?
I will have sunc it before I got to lunch?
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Originally Posted by karent
But what is the past tense of sync, as in, I will hot sync my Palm now?
sanc? sunc?
I will have sunc it before I got to lunch?
Synced.
Which, despite the way it's written, is pronounced [sɪŋkt], not [sɪnst].
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Originally Posted by karent
This is all very nice, mice and houses, thank you.
But what is the past tense of sync, as in, I will hot sync my Palm now?
sanc? sunc?
I will have sunc it before I got to lunch?
SYNCINATED !
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Originally Posted by turtle777
SYNCINATED !
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I like it!
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Originally Posted by Railroader
Meeses? As in: "I love the meeses to pieces.
I voted "Mice".
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Originally Posted by Oisín
Sorry, should have specified: that was IPA for English, not just IPA. And of course, in American English, the [əʊ] diphthong is realised like [oʊ] instead.
Even in 'normal' IPA, however, it can never be [toː(ɹ)'neʲdoʷ], since [o] doesn't exist in English pronunciation; it would have to be [tɔː(ɹ)'neʲdɔʷ]. (Was that what you meant, being unable to get the [ɔ] in?)
English most certainly does have [o], though normally with the off-glide [ʷ]. Tornado does not contain the [ɔ] sound at all.
You really can't base your English transcriptions, and what is and isn't possible in English, on mistaken pronunciations.
Your transcription of the [oʷ] vowel + off-glide most certainly is not [oʊ], which frankly doesn't even sound like English.
tooki
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Do we agree that [o] is the closed-mid back rounded vowel found in French trop or nôtre, and in German Hose and Klo, while [ɔ] is the open-mid back rounded vowel, variants of which are found in French alors, German Dorf? Because if you know how these two sounds are correctly pronounced in German and French (though they are not completely the same in German and French either), you'll also know that this sound only exists on its own in a few dialects, such as New Zealand English.
Moreover, [oʊ] is the standard accepted way in IPA for English to write the o-with-offglide diphthong that is the last sound in the American pronunciation of 'tornado', while [əʊ]. Just look at the homepage of the IPA itself: in the logo, which contains the IPA for International Phonetics Association, you'll see that Association (in which the second syllable, ie. the first o, is exactly the same diphthong) is transcribed as [əsoʊsieɪʃn].
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