[Cody Dawg]

Linkage

What's troublesome is that the government is tight-lipped about the particulars.

Also, guess the Canooks can kiss their chances of getting the ban on Canadian beef lifted anytime soon.

[turtle777]

Cody Dawg: Mad Cow Is Here To Stay

-t

[The Godfather]

Any MacNNer know anything about the USDA beef practices? Please verify that detection mechanisms are 99% safe.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by The Godfather

Any MacNNer know anything about the USDA beef practices? Please verify that detection mechanisms are 99% safe.

Are they 99% safe anywhere? No, really; I don't know.

I'm not sure why this would affect the status of Canadian beef exports, though. The first case came from a cow imported from there, but the article didn't say anything about where the second came from.

[Ganesha]

The USDA Mad Cow detection allows for a failure rate as high as 99.9%, as only 0.1% of cows are actually tested (will be increase to 0.3% soon).

Contrast this to Europe (all cows over 30 months) and Japan (all cows slaughtered).

[budster101]

I thought Japan imported corn fed beef from the USA? Florida more specifically.

[CaptainHaddock]

Didn't the imported cow even originate in the States?

The only reason this disease exists is because US farmers feed ground-up cow meat to cows. It's bloody disgusting.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

The only reason this disease exists is because US farmers feed ground-up cow meat to cows. It's bloody disgusting.

Well, Canadian farmers do the same thing. Here are some of the reasons for this:

1) It adds calories to the diet, which is especially important in the winter months.
2) The fat lubricates the feeding equipment. Seriously.
3) It tastes better. The cows actually like it.
4) It's cheap.

[budster101]

Amazing. The ignorance in here I mean.

Where did mad cow disease originate?

It first cropped up in England about five years ago. The authorities were slow to figure out there was a problem since traditionally the English call their mothers-in-law mad cows. Once they started to suspect something was up, they assumed it was a Monty Python skit, which is only natural. At least until someone pointed out that Monty Python hadn’t been together for years. After investigating Benny Hill, Mister Bean, and the royal family — which is known for eating their young, though unfortunately only figuratively — they finally took the situation seriously and told people not to eat their mothers-in-law. Just kidding. Actually it turns out that’s okay, it’s eating the meat from infected cows that’s the problem. Oddly enough, even cooking it for seven days like the English typically do doesn’t kill the renegade proteins, though it does kill the taste of the meat, which is, after all, the main way of knowing that you’re dining in England.

Source: http://www.maddogproductions.com/ds_madcow.htm

Don't like that source? Too silly for you?

Here then:

"When and how did BSE in cattle occur?


BSE in cattle was first reported in 1986 in the United Kingdom (UK). The exact origins of BSE remain uncertain but it is thought that cattle initially may have become infected when fed feed contaminated with scrapie-infected sheep meat-and-bone meal (MBM). Scrapie is a prion disease in sheep similar to BSE in cattle. The scientific evidence suggests that the U.K. BSE outbreak in cattle then was expanded by feeding BSE-contaminated cattle protein (MBM) to calves. The definitive nature of the BSE agent is not completely known. The agent is thought to be a modified form of a protein, called a prion, which becomes infectious and accumulates in neural tissues causing a fatal, degenerative, neurological disease. These abnormal prions are resistant to common food disinfection treatments, such as heat, to reduce or eliminate their infectivity or presence. Research is ongoing to better understand TSE diseases and the nature of prion transmission."

Source: http://www.mad-cow-facts.com/faq.htm

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

Didn't the imported cow even originate in the States?

The only reason this disease exists is because US farmers feed ground-up cow meat to cows. It's bloody disgusting.

"Do we have Mad Cow Disease in the United States?

The recent case of BSE confirmed in Washington State was the first such case in the United States. Because this animal originated in Canada, there have as yet been no infected animals originating in the United States."

Source: http://www.rce.rutgers.edu/bse/mcd-faq.asp


This disease originated in ENGLAND, and the recent case came from CANADA.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by budster101

Amazing. The ignorance in here I mean.
This disease originated in ENGLAND, and the recent case came from CANADA.

Incorrect.

The first case (2003) came from Canada. The recent case was the 2nd case, and at least initial information is that the animal likely originated in the US.

[budster101]

No. Sorry. The FIRST RECORDED CASE was in England in 1986. Scroll UP.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by budster101

No. Sorry. The FIRST RECORDED CASE was in England in 1986. Scroll UP.

I meant the first case in the USA of course. There have been two cases in the USA. The first of the two originated in Canada (although I'm not sure it's clear if the cow was infected in Canada or in the US). The most recent case is believed to be born and raised American.

[budster101]

What did you think I meant? Didn't you read my post? Where did I say that the most recent case originated in anywhere else but CANADA? I even restated as such in the last sentence of my post.

It came from Canada.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by budster101

What did you think I meant? Didn't you read my post? Where did I say that the most recent case originated in anywhere else but CANADA? I even restated as such in the last sentence of my post.

It came from Canada.

Are you trying to be obtuse, or does it come naturally? From your own quote:

The recent case of BSE confirmed in Washington State was the first such case in the United States. Because this animal originated in Canada, there have as yet been no infected animals originating in the United States."

Source: http://www.rce.rutgers.edu/bse/mcd-faq.asp

This disease originated in ENGLAND, and the recent case came from CANADA.

This is wrong.

The most recent USA case likely came from the US, according to US authorities. The case which was born in Canada happened way back in 2003 (and that cow was born in 2001).

[Spliff]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Also, guess the Canooks can kiss their chances of getting the ban on Canadian beef lifted anytime soon.

What the hell is a Canook? Do you mean "Canuck"?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canuck

[Railroader]

The wife told me this one a while ago:

Q: What's another term for PMS?

A: Mad cow disease.

Thank you... thank you... thank you... I'll be here all week, Don't forget to tip your waitstaff.

[budster101]

"Tracing Herd of Origin

USDA officials earlier said there was no indication that the suspect animal had not been born in the U.S. Today, the department said that an epidemiological investigation is under way to determine the animal's herd of origin. The only other U.S. case of the ailment, which is clinically known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE, was found in Washington state, in an animal born in Canada, which has had three additional cases.

The latest case comes from an animal born before August 1997, when the U.S. and Canada banned feeding cattle remains to other cattle, which scientists say is how the disease is transmitted. There is no indication the feed ban is not working as designed, USDA officials said.

The results ``confirm that you're likely to find the odd case of BSE in North America, but that risk quickly diminishes because of the feed bans,'' Dennis Laycraft, executive vice president of the Canadian Cattlemen's Association, said in an interview. ``The North American beef supply today is just as safe as people believed it was yesterday,'' he said."


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...amp;refer=home

[analogika]

Originally Posted by budster101

"Tracing Herd of Origin

USDA officials earlier said there was no indication that the suspect animal had not been born in the U.S. Today, the department said that an epidemiological investigation is under way to determine the animal's herd of origin. The only other U.S. case of the ailment, which is clinically known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE, was found in Washington state, in an animal born in Canada, which has had three additional cases.

Yes, so the first one was from Canada, and this one is quite likely from the US.

Good on you for backing down.

Or did you just fail to see the double negative in the first sentence?

[budster101]

I didn't miss the double-negative.

[Railroader]

For those of you claiming that the second case of mad cow disease that occurred in the USA originated in the USA, are you saying that the disease simply spontaneously occurred there? I didn't originate from Canada or the U.K.?

That's really weird that a disease would simply spontaneously occur in three different countries. Can someone explain that to me?

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Are they 99% safe anywhere? No, really; I don't know.

I'm not sure why this would affect the status of Canadian beef exports, though. The first case came from a cow imported from there, but the article didn't say anything about where the second came from.

The VERY first case of Mad Cow in North America was in Canada in 1993ish from a Cow imported from England. Once that happened I knew Mad Cow was in North America for good it was just a matter of time before new cases of our own Cattle popped up. This includes the US. The US like Canada imported from England, and the same methods for killing, same kind of feed, the cross border trading. Its in the US too, just a matter of time before its found.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

Didn't the imported cow even originate in the States?

The only reason this disease exists is because US farmers feed ground-up cow meat to cows. It's bloody disgusting.

Change that to North American, and even today there are farmers on both sides of the border that still continue to do this illegally.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Linkage

What's troublesome is that the government is tight-lipped about the particulars.

Be glad the government mentioned it at all. To quote from another thread:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...59#post2581859

Originally Posted by CreepingDeth

I don't give a damn. […]

1. The FDA should not decide what products go on the market.
2. With the mass media, a beak in a chicken McNigget gets reported. If a company put, say, nails in their meat a) people should be smart enough to notice this and b) the company gets damaging press which is not good for business.

So Cody, if you are too dumb to notice the beef you buy has Mad Cow it's your own fault.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

The only reason this disease exists is because US farmers feed ground-up cow meat to cows. It's bloody disgusting.

You've been misinformed.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by KevinK

You've been misinformed.

How exactly are the prions that cause BSE transferred into cows, then?

[Kevin]

I am speaking about the insistence that US farmers started the Mad Cow disease silly.

He said

Didn't the imported cow even originate in the States?

The only reason this disease exists is because US farmers feed ground-up cow meat to cows. It's bloody disgusting.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by KevinK

I am speaking about the insistence that US farmers started the Mad Cow disease silly.

As far as I know BSE started by feeding sick dead sheep to cattle (which is against nature since cattle aren't carnivores). While it seems this was first done massively in the UK it's not impossible that this mistake would be repeated in the US or elsewhere. Greed knows no borders.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

As far as I know BSE started by feeding sick dead sheep to cattle (which is against nature since cattle aren't carnivores). While it seems this was first done massively in the UK it's not impossible that this mistake would be repeated in the US or elsewhere. Greed knows no borders.

Repeated? Who knows. It wasn't the first case that started it however.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by KevinK

It wasn't the first case that started it however.

It is not impossible that this case started in the US. Nobody said that this case was the first case. Obviously.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

It is not impossible that this case started in the US. Nobody said that this case was the first case. Obviously.

Tetenal PAY ATTENTION then. I was not talking about THIS CASE.

I was referring to this post

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

The only reason this disease exists is because US farmers feed ground-up cow meat to cows. It's bloody disgusting.

He was blaming the EXISTENCE of the disease on the US.

Understand?

[SVass]

All of you don't seem to get it. They only test dying cows. Then they say that they only discover x number of cows with the disease. If they tested a percentage of healthy cows, they might discover a lot more cases. You all are qualified to work for the government. sam

[analogika]

Originally Posted by KevinK

Repeated? Who knows. It wasn't the first case that started it however.

Nobody was claiming that.

This particular case, if the cow originated in the US, which seems likely at current, its BSE IS a result of US farmers feeding ground-up beef discards to their cattle.

If you'll take that stupid chip off your shoulder for a moment, you might realize that to all of Europe, claiming that BSE as a disease first occurred, and therefore originated exclusively, from the US is as obviously untrue as claiming the sky is green, or that there were WMD in Iraq at the time of invasion.

I'm not sure why you assumed anyone was saying such a thing, despite the wording.

[TETENAL]

The post was partly wrong if you read it like "US farmers created the disease". It would be correct if you would read it "US farmers coud have created this case themselves" (which I did by quick reading).

As far as we know this desease could have existed for thousands of years, but it seems a proven fact that it accumulated after feeding dead Scrapie-sheep to cattle and that was first done (or correlation first discovered) in the UK.

Feeding dead animals to cattle should not be done and should never have been done because a) cattle are herbivore, so feeding them meat is against nature and b) feeding them even sick dead animals is against all reason.

As I said, greed knows no borders. I fear this stupidity can be repeated anywhere. So indeed this case could have been started in the US itself.

KevinK, I believe we are in complete agreement actually.

[Cody Dawg]

So, who's giving up beef?

Between mad cow disease and bird flu, we should all switch to soy.

[The Godfather]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

So, who's giving up beef?

Between mad cow disease and bird flu, we should all switch to soy.

I have a theory in which cows have developed this disease because humans included meat in their diets. Humans have been eating cow for thousands of years and I intend to continue the tradition, and I should find a way to ensure that all cattle is grass-fed.

[Cody Dawg]

Who here eats soy, anyway?

I drink soy milk.

And I eat edamame when I go out to Japanese restaurants.

Can anyone recommend good soy products?

[The Godfather]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Who here eats soy, anyway?

I drink soy milk.

And I eat edamame when I go out to Japanese restaurants.

Can anyone recommend good soy products?

I drink 1 liter soy milk every other 5 gallons cow milk. It is pretty tasty by itself but not on my cereal. I have never eaten edamame, but I have beans in all my tacos and some soups.

*me munches on veal sandwich, mmm...

Imitation soy ground beef is excelent for sloppy joes.

[invisibleX]

If I drink milk its soy. Just because after not drinking the stuff for a year it now tastes horrible.

I'll also continue to eat pretty much anything that moves, other than people, regardless of what diseases are out there.

[Cody Dawg]

I love soy milk, actually. It's much better than regular milk for making chocolate milk because it's silky smooth and rich. Love it. I'm going to start drinking soy milk in my new hybrid SUV.

[demograph68]

Fast Food Nation

[FulcrumPilot]

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets...ease/index.asp


Are humans susceptible to BSE?
Although not scientifically proven, there is strong epidemiologic and laboratory data linking a rare, degenerative, fatal brain disorder in humans called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD) to the consumption of BSE-contaminated product. This type of disease begins primarily with psychiatric symptoms and affects younger patients (median age, 28 years).

How many cases of vCJD have there been and have there been any in the United States?
As of December 1, 2003, a total of 153 cases of vCJD had been reported in the world: 143 from the United Kingdom, six from France, and one each from Canada, Ireland, Italy, and the United States.

(Note: The one case of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in the United States is in a young woman who likely contracted the disease while living in the United Kingdom. Symptoms appeared after she moved to the United States. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not found additional cases in the United States through its surveillance program.)

How is variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease different from classic Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease?
The classic form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease is endemic throughout the world, including the United States. The median age at death of patients with classic CJD in the United States is 68 years, and very few cases occur in persons under 30 years of age. In contrast, the median age at death of patients with vCJD is 28 years.

The vCJD can be confirmed only through examination of brain tissue obtained by biopsy or at autopsy, but a "probable case" of vCJD can be diagnosed on the basis of certain clinical criteria developed in the United Kingdom. The incubation period for vCJD is unknown because it is a relatively new disease. However, it is likely that ultimately this incubation period will be measured in terms of many years or decades. In other words, if a person develops vCJD from consuming a BSE-contaminated product (not yet scientifically proven), he or she likely would have consumed that product a decade or more earlier.

In contrast to classic CJD, vCJD predominantly affects younger people, has atypical clinical features, with prominent psychiatric or sensory symptoms at the time of clinical presentation. There are delayed onset of neurological abnormalities, including ataxia within weeks or months, dementia and myoclonus late in the illness. Typically, the duration of illness is at least six months.

Can BSE be transmitted to milk and other dairy products?
There is no scientific evidence to suggest that milk and dairy products carry the agent that causes BSE.

What do I do if I ate recalled meat associated with BSE?
The recalled meat (class II from December 23, 2003) is considered safe by USDA, as the tissues that would carry the BSE agent were completely removed at slaughter and not used in meat cuts or products that might have been consumed by humans. The recall from December 23, 2003 was made out of an abundance of caution. If you have concerns that you might have contracted a foodborne illness, then you should contact your health care provider.

Will cooking (including microwave cooking) kill the BSE agent?
Current scientific research indicates that cooking will not kill the BSE agent.

Will irradiation kill the BSE agent?
Current scientific research indicates that irradiation will not kill the BSE agent.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The post was partly wrong if you read it like "US farmers created the disease". It would be correct if you would read it "US farmers coud have created this case themselves" (which I did by quick reading).

That's ok, don't worry about it. We all do it.

I just wonder WHO told HIM that the MCD was started by Americans.

Odd.

[Cody Dawg]

Check this out: The government says that it has no idea where the infected cow came from...because of mistakes:

Genetic testing is needed because of mistakes in how the beef cow was labeled and how its tissues were stored, John Clifford told The Associated Press in an interview.

Unbelievable!



Link.

[Athens]

believable, no shock to me

[Cubeoid]

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

[turtle777]

^^^ Oldie, but goodie. Thought of this when I read the thread.

-t

[Eug Wanker]

CNN: U.S. mad cow case traced to Texas

The cow confirmed last week to be infected with mad cow disease was 12 years old and lived its entire life in Texas, according to John Clifford, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's chief veterinarian.

[Athens]

time to open the border back to beef trade.

[budster101]

If the cow was 12 years old and in the same article they make this statement, then something is wrong with CNN's math.

Given the animal's age, Clifford said the USDA believes it was "most likely" infected by consuming feed prior to a 1997 ban on feeding cattle the remains of other similar mammals.

They don't know how much prior to the ban? That would be 1993. It's basic subtraction people.

2005 - 12 = 1993. Duh.

"It never entered the food chain."

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"Time to open the border back to beef trade"? With whom?
Mexico?
Canada?
No way...