[suvsr4terrorists]

Hey. I moved into a renovated warehouse back in April. When we originally took the tour, we were told the entire roof was going to be decked, and that we'd have a pool table, videogames, theater, fitness room, etc etc etc.

They claimed it would be done may 1st. Nothing happened. Then march 1st. Then June. Now it's July, and we still don't have any fitness equipment, the theater isn't done (and hasn't been worked on in a long time), the videogames aren't installed, they won't install the pool table because they're waiting for an electrician (been wating for over 3 months), and the worst part: They decked only about 1/5th of the roof, which is in shadow for the 2nd half of the day from the upper part of the building. The decked area is also right outside someone's apartment, so if you ARE on the deck, there are people staring out the window at you. It's freaking annoying.

Anyway, since I had none of these promises in writing, does that mean I'm totally SOL?

[SVass]

Every state has its own law that covers landlord tenant relations with and without a lease. Do you have a signed lease? What does it say? Was there published advertising that promoted the renovations/improvements? etc.
sam

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

When we originally took the tour, we were told the entire roof was going to be decked, and that we'd have a pool table, videogames, theater, fitness room, etc etc etc.

Are you serious ? Did you get it in writing ?

What else did they promise you ? Flying pig farm ? Gold shitting donkeys ?

-t

[mitchell_pgh]

If it's not in writing... there isn't much you can do (depending upon the state).

Have you complained or said "I shouldn't be paying this much for a place that isn't finished"

[Captain Obvious]

No course of action. If your unit is fully functional and they are giving you smoke detectors, water, electricity, and reasonable amounts of heat in the winter you are in no position to tell them what to do with the common areas of their property. You are not paying condo fees and are not entitled to demand amenities they may have in the future. Your lease makes them responsible for the area you occupy and reside in and so long as you are not in danger by the condition of the rest of the property its really none of your business.

You can go to the Tenant Right's Center on Campus and get the details but they are going to laugh at you.
What's your address I will send you a bill.

[Mastrap]

Captain, we're not talking about student accommodation but a commercial property.

But if there's nothing in writing it'll be a bitch to put pressure on the developer.

[Captain Obvious]

You haven't seen the new student housing going up for kids willing to fork over the money. Cash doesn't own the property. They are renting giving them much less leverage.

And even if it was in writing it would not have specific dates attached to the individual leases promising the amenities would be in place by said date. The things they promised to tenants are in fact being installed even if it is not on the original timetable. That absolves them from any claims they mislead or lied to tenants about the rental property. Delays and problems come up during a construction project that may not be the fault of the developers and so long as there is proof of ongoing progress there is nothing you can do.

But I guarantee they were not dumb enough to put any of this in the lease.

[ManOfSteal]

[RAILhead]

ed

Maury

[budster101]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Hey. I moved into a renovated warehouse back in April. When we originally took the tour, we were told the entire roof was going to be decked, and that we'd have a pool table, videogames, theater, fitness room, etc etc etc.

They claimed it would be done may 1st. Nothing happened. Then march 1st. Then June. Now it's July, and we still don't have any fitness equipment, the theater isn't done (and hasn't been worked on in a long time), the videogames aren't installed, they won't install the pool table because they're waiting for an electrician (been wating for over 3 months), and the worst part: They decked only about 1/5th of the roof, which is in shadow for the 2nd half of the day from the upper part of the building. The decked area is also right outside someone's apartment, so if you ARE on the deck, there are people staring out the window at you. It's freaking annoying.

Anyway, since I had none of these promises in writing, does that mean I'm totally SOL?

Nowhere in this post do you even hint that you attempted to speak to anyone. Why not act like a f cking grownup for a change and contact them, then get back to us with the result. Stop whinning and moaning like a little b tch, until you get word on what's going on.

You make a list of what was to be done and when, and you don't have it in writing? I find that hard to believe. You just like to complain about sh it.

As per usual the world revolves around your sorry a ss.

[suvsr4terrorists]

I do contact them. Everytime I send an email or letter to the owners of the building, the landlord personally gets back in touch with me, saying they're sorry the construction/ordering/shipping/insert your favorite ******** reason of choice in here/space aliens is taking so long. You have to understand: There is a FITNESS ROOM, but no equipment. There is a pool table room, but no pool table. There is a home theater room with a projection TV and theater seating and surround sound, but construction has had the 'key' for the past 3 months and just conveniently won't get back to our landlord (so she claims). There's more too. They promised lounge chairs and grills on the deck, and we have nothing. I don't get it. I've never been treated this badly before by a landlord, they just keep brushing me off and pretending like it's no big deal if none of the amenities that they were pushing to get us to sign the lease aren't installed yet. They said may 30th. Then June. Now it's July. The thing is, THEY"RE STILL ADVERTISING THESE AMENTIES, yet they aren't fulfilling. Can they legally advertise amenties, then deliver them 6 months after you move in?

[RAILhead]

Your best bet would be to round up as many tenants that feel as you do and have a meeting with him.

Maury

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Are you serious ? Did you get it in writing ?

What else did they promise you ? Flying pig farm ? Gold shitting donkeys ?

-t

They have rooms for all of these amenities. It almost seems like someone is pocketing the $ and scamming the original owners, who live in Minnesota, so I doubt they know what's actually going on.

[budster101]

Why didn't you SAY THAT IN YOUR FIRST F CKING POST?

Get all the tenants together and have a meeting with someone to take down the minutes of said meeting and then have them all sign their name to the complaint form you write up. Make copies for all involved, take the literature being used as advertising materials to an attourney and all of you file a class action law suit against whomever is not doing what they are advertising they are supposed to be doing...
Have it notorized and dated.

Document all your mail requests by certified mail signed receipt.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Can they legally advertise amenties, then deliver them 6 months after you move in?

Yes, and stop acting like they owe these things to you. They are extras added for the benefit of the tenants they are not rightfully owed to them. You have no "right" to them being there today since there is no itemized fee tacked on to your rent for it. I know people who actually own units in far better areas of the city who are still waiting for all the amenities they pay for as part of their condo fees to be put in. And they still can't do much about it because there is gradual progress in putting them in.

They will be put in when they are put in. You cannot force them to do it. You and everyone who lives there could get together and they still won't be forced to expedite the process. There is no grounds for anyone to break their lease based on this. You are all stuck there until your lease ends. Maybe by then the things they promised will be put in or maybe they won't. So long as they are planning on putting them in and taking steps to do it you are out of luck.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by SVass

Every state has its own law that covers landlord tenant relations with and without a lease. Do you have a signed lease? What does it say? Was there published advertising that promoted the renovations/improvements? etc.
sam

This is an important point: you need to find a lawyer/tenant advocacy group in your city and find out what your rights are, as the legal protections and remedies vary widely. In New York City, tenants have significant rights, landlords have a number of responsibilities and there is a separate Housing Court division of civil court to make sure you're protected. Other cities and municipalities are much more lax, folding housing issues into general court, or giving you almost no rights at all. Before you do anything, find out where you stand and what you can and can't do.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

There is no grounds for anyone to break their lease based on this. You are all stuck there until your lease ends.

Wrong. I talked to one girl today who DID break her lease because of it. So far I have 12 signatures, but most people aren't home right now, and there's 14 stories to explore.

I'm going to confront them with over 50 signatures of pissed off tenants and I'll bet they'll change their tunes.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Wrong. I talked to one girl today who DID break her lease because of it. So far I have 12 signatures, but most people aren't home right now, and there's 14 stories to explore.

I'm going to confront them with over 50 signatures of pissed off tenants and I'll bet they'll change their tunes.

Wrong. They let her break her lease. If this had gone to court she would have been responsible for the entire term of the contract. Go for it, we'll see how far you get.

[SVass]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Wrong. They let her break her lease. If this had gone to court she would have been responsible for the entire term of the contract. Go for it, we'll see how far you get.

Wrong twice! A lawyer once told me that no lease is unbreakable! Anyone who wants to move is normally allowed to do that. Courts are expensive for both sides. You can't force them to meet their obligations and they can't win a countersuit! If you stop paying or withhold a percentage, then life gets profitable and interesting for the lawyers. sam

[tooki]

Originally Posted by budster101

Nowhere in this post do you even hint that you attempted to speak to anyone. Why not act like a f cking grownup for a change and contact them, then get back to us with the result. Stop whinning and moaning like a little b tch, until you get word on what's going on.

You make a list of what was to be done and when, and you don't have it in writing? I find that hard to believe. You just like to complain about sh it.

As per usual the world revolves around your sorry a ss.

Budster, your tone in this post is entirely inappropriate and uncalled for. If I see any more of this from you, I will ban you from the lounge.

tooki

[RobOnTheCape]

I've found that unlike a commercial lease, a residential lease is always breakable,(especially true here in Mass). Off topic, easiest money out there is once in housing court for anything ask the landlord to produce an account number showing the security deposit money in an interest bearing account. Hardly any landlord actually deposits the money, hence the judge awards triple damages(3 times the amount of the security deposit) awarded to the tenant, then proceeds with the other points in dispute.

Even in Mass, I doubt a tenant would have any recourse in housing court about deck size/ fitness center in a development still under construction. However, I'll bet a regular get together outside the rental office with placards mentioning the items in dispute would get the management to move on the doable issues.

[jnrjr79]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

No course of action. If your unit is fully functional and they are giving you smoke detectors, water, electricity, and reasonable amounts of heat in the winter you are in no position to tell them what to do with the common areas of their property. You are not paying condo fees and are not entitled to demand amenities they may have in the future. Your lease makes them responsible for the area you occupy and reside in and so long as you are not in danger by the condition of the rest of the property its really none of your business.

You can go to the Tenant Right's Center on Campus and get the details but they are going to laugh at you.
What's your address I will send you a bill.

Not necessarily. Depending on the state, there might be a remedy. If these amenities were materially relied upon in agreeing to the lease contract, then this might be a breach that would entitle the tenant to some sort of relief. Of course, you'd have to prove the representations were made. You could take pictures of the work done so far to show that these things were promised. at the end of the day though, you'll have to decide whether it'd really be worth your time to try to pursue anything. Most often landlords can get away with a lot b/c it's not worth it for the tenant to spend the time and money to go after anything.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by SVass

Wrong twice! A lawyer once told me that no lease is unbreakable! Anyone who wants to move is normally allowed to do that. Courts are expensive for both sides. You can't force them to meet their obligations and they can't win a countersuit! If you stop paying or withhold a percentage, then life gets profitable and interesting for the lawyers. sam

No, you need grounds to break a lease.
Wanting to do it is not enough. You can stop payment of your rent just because you feel like it and the landlord may not even take you to court but they can claim to a collection agency that you owned them past due rent or there may already be a landlord's lien against you in your lease. You are still responsible for the cost of the rent while you lived there and for an additional amount they see fit to rerent the apartment. Now if you want to have that follow you around on your credit report that is up to you. Inevitably you will have to face up to it and find some way to make restitution.

Anyone who wants to move has the option to request to be let out of their lease but that does not mean that request will be granted. In a competitive rental market where the turnover time is short for highly sought after apartments it may be in the owners best interests to allow a tenant to break a lease. But if they want to be pricks about it and they are fulfilling their obligations as property owners they can take you for a ride and they will win in court. And it won't necessarily be that expensive for them. Having you evicted is relatively easy if it is for non-payment and I am positive in Wisconsin it is done in small claims court.

Now in respect to the case at hand Cash does not have grounds to break his lease without consequences unless the rental company is being kind and lets them out of it. The lack of readiness of the amenities does not amount to sufficient cause to break a lease especially since they can prove that they are taking reasonable steps to provide them in the future. Any developer who has the resources to rehab a building of this size has sufficient experience in creating a lease that binds a tenant to a unit and limits the responsibilities to them outside of that unit. His lease probably makes no mention of when the facilities will be ready and may even take specific steps to claim that any amenities provided by the owners are done so on their terms and can be changed or scaled back as necessary.

So despite the generous use of exclamation marks on your part everything you said was pretty much garbage.
You need grounds to break a lease. In the end the tenant will be held finically responsible if they walk away without said grounds. If you want to gamble with your credit history and call a bluff on the landlord best of luck to you. But going in believing that your lease is so easily broken just shows how big of a dumbass you are.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by jnrjr79

If these amenities were materially relied upon in agreeing to the lease contract, then this might be a breach that would entitle the tenant to some sort of relief. Of course, you'd have to prove the representations were made. You could take pictures of the work done so far to show that these things were promised.

But then you have to prove the developers were acting in bad faith and that they have not taken reasonable measures to provide those facilities. Since there is a partial deck already in place and other features are not being put in because of ongoing construction the ruling would go in favor of the developer. In fact I find no fault so far in what they have done. They are doing what they promised and anyone who's had a house built from scratch can attest to the fact that timetables are very inaccurate representations of actual completed construction.
Since any mention of the approximate completion dates for the amenities was done so by a lower rental agent and not put in writing proving they purposely mislead tenants is going to be hard. Construction is probably being done by a third party and the developers can claim they represented those dates as when they also expected the work to be done. From there you can find a whole slew of reasons for them to excuse the delay.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by RobOnTheCape

I've found that unlike a commercial lease, a residential lease is always breakable,(especially true here in Mass). Off topic, easiest money out there is once in housing court for anything ask the landlord to produce an account number showing the security deposit money in an interest bearing account. Hardly any landlord actually deposits the money, hence the judge awards triple damages(3 times the amount of the security deposit) awarded to the tenant, then proceeds with the other points in dispute.

Even in Mass, I doubt a tenant would have any recourse in housing court about deck size/ fitness center in a development still under construction. However, I'll bet a regular get together outside the rental office with placards mentioning the items in dispute would get the management to move on the doable issues.

It isn't under construction anymore. I haven't seen ANY construction person around in over 2 months.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

The lack of readiness of the amenities does not amount to sufficient cause to break a lease especially since they can prove that they are taking reasonable steps to provide them in the future. Any developer who has the resources to rehab a building of this size has sufficient experience in creating a lease that binds a tenant to a unit and limits the responsibilities to them outside of that unit. His lease probably makes no mention of when the facilities will be ready and may even take specific steps to claim that any amenities provided by the owners are done so on their terms and can be changed or scaled back as necessary.

What really bugs me is that after talking with people, I've found out taht some woman who moved in back in february was told that the fitness equipment was ordered BACK THEN. She's been lying to us for months. The Theater room is supposedly done, but we can't use it because 'construction' has the key. They've had the key for over 3 months. People were promised storage units, some people were promised free internet, it just goes on and on.

- Rob

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Since there is a partial deck already in place and other features are not being put in because of ongoing construction the ruling would go in favor of the developer.

It isn't under construction. I asked the landlord and she declared it done. I actually nabbed hte architect on his visit. He claimed hte roof on the other side of the building couldn't support hte weight of the deck with people on it, which is ********. If that is true, once it snows the roof will collapse.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

I actually nabbed hte architect on his visit. He claimed hte roof on the other side of the building couldn't support hte weight of the deck with people on it, which is ********. If that is true, once it snows the roof will collapse.

So you think if you pressure them into court and the architect says they later found out that the deck had to be scaled back because of structure problems that it wouldn't suffice as reason for not going though with the construction? And worse yet you could testify to knowing this claim an X amount of time before you took measures to request your lease be broken? It doesn't matter how true it is if they can find someone with an engineering degree to support the claim. Even if it was a matter of professional opinion they would say they had to err on the side of caution for the residents sake.

You need to look for a clause in your lease that talks about services and amenities and what degree of responsibility the owners bear and under what terms they can cancel them. I am sure they didn't draw that up without an "out" in case of structural or liability problems like this.

Madison of all the cities in that state has the largest transient population of renters because of students and state officials. The chances of a rental company not being savvy enough to have leases which favor them in almost every circumstance is slim. You think CHT has survived all this time cutting corners if they didn't have damned clauses excusing their marginal upkeep in leases?

[SVass]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

No, you need grounds to break a lease.
Wanting to do it is not enough. You can stop payment of your rent just because you feel like it and the landlord may not even take you to court but they can claim to a collection agency that you owned them past due rent or there may already be a landlord's lien against you in your lease.
So despite the generous use of exclamation marks on your part everything you said was pretty much garbage.
You need grounds to break a lease. In the end the tenant will be held finically responsible if they walk away without said grounds. If you want to gamble with your credit history and call a bluff on the landlord best of luck to you. But going in believing that your lease is so easily broken just shows how big of a dumbass you are.

First, it is trivial to find grounds to break a lease or any bad contract in an honest state if you have money! (Note my new exclamation mark!) Because I have no credit problems, my credit history can not be damaged easily. It is possible and even probable that the "owners" have no money and are living on credit.

To get back to the subject, a better solution for the originator might be to contact the State Attorney General's Office or the local city attorney and provide them with a copy of the advertising and pictures of the current property. Let them argue in court and waste their money. Don't waste your own time arguing with idiots or crooks. Even Better Business Bureau complaints may haunt them in the future.

This reminds me of a scam. Collection agencies send computer generated and signed letters claiming an old debt. Some people pay. If you demand an itemized bill signed by a real human being, you never hear from them again. sam

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

So you think if you pressure them into court and the architect says they later found out that the deck had to be scaled back because of structure problems that it wouldn't suffice as reason for not going though with the construction? And worse yet you could testify to knowing this claim an X amount of time before you took measures to request your lease be broken? It doesn't matter how true it is if they can find someone with an engineering degree to support the claim. Even if it was a matter of professional opinion they would say they had to err on the side of caution for the residents sake.

This building is SOLID CONCRETE. It was originally a seed warehouse built to hold thousands of tons of seed. It's OVERBUILT. The walls are over 2 feet thick. My point is if a deck and some people will cause a roof collapse, then we shouldn't be living here. Once it snows, the weight will cause it to collapse, as snow is extremely heavy, and if there's a fire and everyone has to run to the deck (dumb idea, but it has to have an exit on the top for fire codes), then surely the roof would collapse then too. If that is honestly true, (which it isn't) nobody should be allowed to live in this building in it's current state.

Madison of all the cities in that state has the largest transient population of renters because of students and state officials. The chances of a rental company not being savvy enough to have leases which favor them in almost every circumstance is slim. You think CHT has survived all this time cutting corners if they didn't have damned clauses excusing their marginal upkeep in leases?

This isn't madison, and this isn't student housing. This is an upscale apartment building bordering on 'luxury urban living'. The management is awful, and it's owned out of state. So far I have a 100% track record, EVERY SINGLE person I got ahold of today has been PISSED OFF, and signed my petition. So far I have over 25 signatures, and that's just in 1.5 hours worth of snooping. Tomorrow I'll get ... ****, I'll be out of town for the next few days. But once I get back I'll get over 50 more signatures.

[budster101]

So, basically, I did help you out by suggesting the petition. Good luck with it, I hope it works out for you all.

Contact an attourney in this regard and things will happen for you. Hopefully all good.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by tooki

Budster, your tone in this post is entirely inappropriate and uncalled for. If I see any more of this from you, I will ban you from the lounge.

tooki

Shouldn't this have been sent as a PM?

You really should keep comments like this private. And if you ban him this kind of behavior then you are being very selective and biased as there are plenty of people who are far worse.

[budster101]

I didn't even notice that post. MacNN is becoming a fascist state these days where conservatives and Libertarians be warned... I guess.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Shouldn't this have been sent as a PM?

You really should keep comments like this private. And if you ban him this kind of behavior then you are being very selective and biased as there are plenty of people who are far worse.

Not really. I've been banned for less.

I got my original cash68 account banned for telling a christian to go molest some children. He calls me a whole slew of names and won't get banned, because he isn't me.

[ort888]

You keep getting banned because you are a trouble making troll. I thought you said you were going away forever? What ever happened with that?

I don't understand why you are allowed to continue posting here considering how many times you have been banned.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by ort888

I thought you said you were going away forever? What ever happened with that?

I don't understand why you are allowed to continue posting here considering how many times you have been banned.

I'm ****ing bored out of my skull. I doubt I'll be posting here once school starts. Without me, there wouldn't be a political war lounge. There wouldn't be a mac modification forum. Although... lately, I've been thinking the political lounge was a bad idea. It kinda sucked the truly intelligent debates away from the lounge, and then the lounge became totally stupid, and lacking and real thought. Then the PL lounge became this flame/trollfest that's just too intense for anybody to keep up with.

Kinda sucked. I think it might be a good idea to remove it.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

I'm ****ing bored out of my skull. I doubt I'll be posting here once school starts. Without me, there wouldn't be a political war lounge. There wouldn't be a mac modification forum. Although... lately, I've been thinking the political lounge was a bad idea. It kinda sucked the truly intelligent debates away from the lounge, and then the lounge became totally stupid, and lacking and real thought. Then the PL lounge became this flame/trollfest that's just too intense for anybody to keep up with.

Kinda sucked. I think it might be a good idea to remove it.

uhhhh...

You:

[ort888]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

I'm ****ing bored out of my skull. I doubt I'll be posting here once school starts. Without me, there wouldn't be a political war lounge. There wouldn't be a mac modification forum. Although... lately, I've been thinking the political lounge was a bad idea. It kinda sucked the truly intelligent debates away from the lounge, and then the lounge became totally stupid, and lacking and real thought. Then the PL lounge became this flame/trollfest that's just too intense for anybody to keep up with.

Kinda sucked. I think it might be a good idea to remove it.

You're complaining about trolling and flaming. Right.

Anyway, if you're bored, I recommend getting hunted by a madman with a rifle. It would especially kewl if he shot and killed your girlfriend. It would be just like the movie fight club and that guy would be totally awesome for doing it.

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Shouldn't this have been sent as a PM?

You really should keep comments like this private. And if you ban him this kind of behavior then you are being very selective and biased as there are plenty of people who are far worse.

Cash was complaining about no reaction to budster's "flames" in another thread.

That was just tooki showing him he is reacting.

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Without me, there wouldn't be a political war lounge.

I am not too sure about that...

I don't think you was one of the main contributors of that place.

[Cipher13]

Originally Posted by budster101

Nowhere in this post do you even hint that you attempted to speak to anyone. Why not act like a f cking grownup for a change and contact them, then get back to us with the result. Stop whinning and moaning like a little b tch, until you get word on what's going on.

You make a list of what was to be done and when, and you don't have it in writing? I find that hard to believe. You just like to complain about sh it.

As per usual the world revolves around your sorry a ss.

What the hell is your problem? Where'd the tone come from? We know you don't like cash, so stay out of his threads if they work you up so much; either way, don't come in responding like this with absolutely no reason whatsoever. Grow up.

[budster101]

Originally Posted by budster101

So, basically, I did help you out by suggesting the petition. Good luck with it, I hope it works out for you all.

Contact an attourney in this regard and things will happen for you. Hopefully all good.

]

This is for cipher.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Railroader

uhhhh...

Why? I was the one actively campaigning for the PL lounge, because the amount of political **** that came into the lounge was just insane. I got TWO screennames banned in the process, I kept posting things like "Oh no another thread gone down in flames! The humanity! Another political thread has entered the atmosphere, there's fire everywhere! AHhhHHH!" and shitting all over the political threads in an attempt to get the mods to create a PL sub forum. If you don't remember, that's fine.

The mac modification forum was also me, back when I was the first one who swapped daughtercards on the original iMac, so i had a 333mhz chip (latest) on the 1st gen motherboard, which gave me a mezzanine slot. I was also supposed to do a few articles for iMac2day and some other site but I was too busy.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by ort888

Anyway, if you're bored, I recommend getting hunted by a madman with a rifle. It would especially kewl if he shot and killed your girlfriend. It would be just like the movie fight club and that guy would be totally awesome for doing it.

Is this your attempt at satire? It's pretty sad.

PS: I have a GF? Sweet, I should tell my wife and maybe...

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Zimphire

I am not too sure about that...

I don't think you was one of the main contributors of that place.

I'm not. I just wanted it out of the lounge.

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by Railroader

uhhhh...

You:

1) I could use a little head, too.
2) To be fair, he was one of the people originally pushing for the PL creation and the major force behind the mac mod forum. A bit ostentatious maybe? Yeah, but it's Ca$h.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by iLikebeer

1) I could use a little head, too.
2) To be fair, he was one of the people originally pushing for the PL creation and the major force behind the mac mod forum. A bit ostentatious maybe? Yeah, but it's Ca$h.

I'm not saying it was JUST me, but I'm not sure it would have happened if I hadn't made such a fuss about it.

[Scotttheking]

Keep it on topic folks.

Thx.

[ThinkInsane]

Originally Posted by Scotttheking

Keep it on topic folks.

Thx.

Seconded.

And for those of you that don't realize, Cash is getting free legal advice from a lawyer that practices in his state. Those of you that keep saying "That's not necessarily right, it differs from state to state" might want to keep that in mind.

[budster101]

Ca$h, what do you pay in rent and what is the space? Link to the ads? (If Online)