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ajprice · Jul 21, 2005, 08:49 AM

There is a hidden sex scene or mini game locked in GTA:SA, and the governing body just got wind of it, so SA is off the shelves for a period while the make a version without this in it. Anyone found what this part is?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4702737.stm

suvsr4terrorists · Jul 21, 2005, 08:54 AM

yeah, the infamous hot coffee thing. See,.... basically, it was originally part of the game, but I have a feeling they removed it at the last minute. Some people enabled it on the PC by snooping around the game's inner workings. I think it's ********, because I'm sure everyone here remembers the 'nuderaider' patches floating around for Tombraider, and all sorts of crap like that. If a normal person playing the game can't see it without hacking the game, big freakin deal. If said person is smart enough to find out how to hack the game to see this stuff, then they're obviously able to see all sorts of things on the internet, so upping the rating on this game is fairly pointless and stupid.

suvsr4terrorists · Jul 21, 2005, 08:56 AM

Also, maybe they should put an "Adults Only" label on the sims, since you can get patches to make everybody naked and have them **** around:

http://the-sims-downloads.com/downloads-cat-21.html

ort888 · Jul 21, 2005, 09:12 AM

What boggles my mind, is that in a game that casts you as a murderous gang member and drug dealer... that people are all of a sudden upset over a consensual sex scene between two adults.

Seriously, you could start up a game, drive around, kill some people with a bat, kill a hooker, sell some drugs, start killing cops, blow up a building with a plane, kill some more people... and then when you go back to your apartment to have sex with a girl the government gets pissed about it?

What? I know it's well established that our priorities and moralities are out of whack in this country but this is sooo ridiculous that it hurts my brain.

xi_hyperon · Jul 21, 2005, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by ort888

What boggles my mind, is that in a game that casts you as a murderous gang member and drug dealer... that people are all of a sudden upset over a consensual sex scene between two adults.

Seriously, you could start up a game, drive around, kill some people with a bat, kill a hooker, sell some drugs, start killing cops, blow up a building with a plane, kill some more people... and then when you go back to your apartment to have sex with a girl the government gets pissed about it?

What? I know it's well established that our priorities and moralities are out of whack in this country but this is sooo ridiculous that it hurts my brain.

Yep, the irony is there. It's an unfortunate state of affairs that it even has to be pointed out.

suvsr4terrorists · Jul 21, 2005, 09:32 AM

Not sure if I can post this link, since it's polygon people having sex, PM me if you want to see the video.

jasonsRX7 · Jul 21, 2005, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by ort888

Seriously, you could start up a game, drive around, kill some people with a bat, kill a hooker, sell some drugs, start killing cops, blow up a building with a plane, kill some more people... and then when you go back to your apartment to have sex with a girl the government gets pissed about it?

Right on the money. Decapitating cops with a sniper head shot is ok, but don't show any titties!

The GTA series are some of my favorite games, I should add.

EdGein · Jul 21, 2005, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by ort888

What boggles my mind, is that in a game that casts you as a murderous gang member and drug dealer... that people are all of a sudden upset over a consensual sex scene between two adults.

I agree.

goMac · Jul 21, 2005, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

yeah, the infamous hot coffee thing. See,.... basically, it was originally part of the game, but I have a feeling they removed it at the last minute. Some people enabled it on the PC by snooping around the game's inner workings. I think it's ********, because I'm sure everyone here remembers the 'nuderaider' patches floating around for Tombraider, and all sorts of crap like that. If a normal person playing the game can't see it without hacking the game, big freakin deal. If said person is smart enough to find out how to hack the game to see this stuff, then they're obviously able to see all sorts of things on the internet, so upping the rating on this game is fairly pointless and stupid.

No, there is a difference. With the nuderaider patches the game's code was being altered. Functionality was being added that was not designed by the original developers.

With Hot Coffee, the whole sex thing was coded by the developers and made part of GTA. Instead of actually removing the code, Rockstar was lazy and simply threw a flag in the game that disabled it. All these mods are doing is going into RAM and changing the flag back. You can even do it on the PS2 version.

Here is another example. Let's say Blizzard hid a sex mini game in World of Warcraft. At the last minute they decided to disable instead. Instead of actually pulling it from the code, they just sealed off the sections of the world that had it. People going in with World of Warcraft map viewers (and they do exist, and they do find things Blizzard has hidden) could actually find this explicit content. Blizzard has loaded to explicit content on user's hard drive. It is now pressent on the user's machine. With the proper viewer, the user can now look at it. No different than if you download a jpg and open it up with the proper viewer. Rockstar loaded blatent sexual content on a users harddrive. All the user is using is the proper viewer to run it. It's just like loading a sexual jpg or movie on the hard drive.

Legally, Rockstar is completely in the wrong here. They should have removed the code.

RAILhead · Jul 21, 2005, 09:59 AM

jcadam · Jul 21, 2005, 10:07 AM

I thought everyone liked sex, so..., what's the problem here?

EdGein · Jul 21, 2005, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Pixel Boobies?

wdlove · Jul 21, 2005, 10:15 AM

It's like the program A.D.A.M., on installation you can choose the man and woman to be nude. Otherwise they use a fig leaf.

Ghoser777 · Jul 21, 2005, 10:54 AM

I thought personal attacks were supposed to not be allowed...

RAILhead · Jul 21, 2005, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoser777

I thought personal attacks were supposed to not be allowed...

Who made a personal attack? Me?!?

For the love of Moses.

This place is turning into Fark, I swear it is...

Maury

Hugi · Jul 21, 2005, 12:49 PM

Why is sex and nudity such a taboo in the US? The US and Europe do share a religious and cultural heritage, but there is an obvious difference in the two peoples' attitude towards sex.

Seems a bit odd.

EdGein · Jul 21, 2005, 12:54 PM

Hugi I am not sure if it's even a religious thing.

Take Al Gore's wife Tipper. She wanted all those rap records banned or labeled because of the sexual connotation.

http://crm114.com/algore/tipper.html

Hugi · Jul 21, 2005, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by EdGein

Hugi I am not sure if it's even a religious thing.

Take Al Gore's wife Tipper. She wanted all those rap records banned or labeled because of the sexual connotation.

Yes, obvious cultural differences, I'll say

.

This would definitely make an interesting study, that is, to find the cultural roots of this taboo. And I'd love to know if it's natural behaviour for humans to only have sex in private or if our restraint is only due to thousands of years of indoctrination.

JoshuaZ · Jul 21, 2005, 01:06 PM

Remember kids, tons of violence is ok, as long as no one swears and you don't see no titties.

EdGein · Jul 21, 2005, 01:06 PM

Hugi sex in private? I think that has more to do with common sense.

And as far as sex being taboo. I would say it stems from the puritans.

God DEMANDED Adam to get it on with Eve.

Hugi · Jul 21, 2005, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by EdGein

Hugi sex in private? I think that has more to do with common sense.

And as far as sex being taboo. I would say it stems from the puritans.

Can there be any such thing as common sense regarding sex? Not too long ago, kissing in public was considered unacceptable in most of the western world (and some still think it is). Hell, even sex in private was somewhat sinful in Victorian England

. Is it possible that sex will follow kissing and people will be "grabbing a quickie" at the park in the future?

Originally Posted by EdGein

God DEMANDED Adam to get it on with Eve.

EdGein · Jul 21, 2005, 01:18 PM

Hugi while having sex in public may seem to be a fetish to some, would you really want it to be something that regularly happened?

It's annoying enough that my dog tries to hump everything.

sek929 · Jul 21, 2005, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

What boggles my mind, is that in a game that casts you as a murderous gang member and drug dealer... that people are all of a sudden upset over a consensual sex scene between two adults.

Seriously, you could start up a game, drive around, kill some people with a bat, kill a hooker, sell some drugs, start killing cops, blow up a building with a plane, kill some more people... and then when you go back to your apartment to have sex with a girl the government gets pissed about it?

What? I know it's well established that our priorities and moralities are out of whack in this country but this is sooo ridiculous that it hurts my brain.

I said the same thing a week back but I believe my terrible thing was starting the game and lighting old ladies on fire.

But sex!?! Watch out...

EdGein · Jul 21, 2005, 01:24 PM

But I agree with the violence thing. People see so much, they begin to get used to it.

We shouldn't want society to have a tolerance to violence.

Hugi · Jul 21, 2005, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by EdGein

Hugi while having sex in public may seem to be a fetish to some, would you really want it to be something that regularly happened?

No. But my beliefs have nothing to do with it. What I'd like to know is if the inhibitors that prohibit us from having sex in public are purely forced by society or if there is some deeper reason for it. My uneducated opinion is that it's the former. I could envision a society where I'd be eating lunch, looked through the window and thought to myself "well, there the Gundersons are, going at it again like rabbits in the garden".

Anyway, sorry for the derail - I was just thinking out loud.

RAILhead · Jul 21, 2005, 01:29 PM

There are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Y too any fat people on this planet and I don't want to have to see them bumping uglies on my way to the mailbox.

Holy crap!!!

Maury

sek929 · Jul 21, 2005, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by EdGein

But I agree with the violence thing. People see so much, they begin to get used to it.

We shouldn't want society to have a tolerance to violence.

Indeed, and I highly doubt I'd get a tolerance to boobies. So less violence, more sex!

jasonsRX7 · Jul 21, 2005, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Hugi

What I'd like to know is if the inhibitors that prohibit us from having sex in public are purely forced by society or if there is some deeper reason for it.

I'd like to think that they're looking out for us, and they realized that there'd be no way to ensure that only hot chicks were doing it.

Edit: ^^^ What Maury said

goMac · Jul 21, 2005, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Hugi

Can there be any such thing as common sense regarding sex? Not too long ago, kissing in public was considered unacceptable in most of the western world (and some still think it is).

I still get looks sometimes for an arm around my girlfriend...

Oneota · Jul 21, 2005, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Hugi

Why is sex and nudity such a taboo in the US? The US and Europe do share a religious and cultural heritage, but there is an obvious difference in the two peoples' attitude towards sex.

Seems a bit odd.

America was founded mostly by puritans from Europe whose haunting, innermost fear was that somewhere, someone might be happy.

EdGein · Jul 21, 2005, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Oneota

America was founded mostly by puritans from Europe whose haunting, innermost fear was that somewhere, someone might be happy.

While they was uptight, I don't think I would go that far.

Scotttheking · Jul 21, 2005, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

What boggles my mind, is that in a game that casts you as a murderous gang member and drug dealer... that people are all of a sudden upset over a consensual sex scene between two adults.

Seriously, you could start up a game, drive around, kill some people with a bat, kill a hooker, sell some drugs, start killing cops, blow up a building with a plane, kill some more people... and then when you go back to your apartment to have sex with a girl the government gets pissed about it?

What? I know it's well established that our priorities and moralities are out of whack in this country but this is sooo ridiculous that it hurts my brain.

ESRB != government

Railroader · Jul 22, 2005, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Oneota

America was founded mostly by puritans from Europe whose haunting, innermost fear was that somewhere, someone might be happy.

Actually, the puritans granted divorces to women if their husbands wouldn't have sex with them. The puritans believed sex was crucial to marriage.

analogika · Jul 22, 2005, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Actually, the puritans granted divorces to women if their husbands wouldn't have sex with them. The puritans believed sex was crucial to marriage.

The "haunting fear that someone, somewhere might be happy" bit is an H.L. Mencken quote.

ShotgunEd · Jul 22, 2005, 06:15 AM

but outside of marriage or adultery was seriouly frowned upon. Remember the Scarlet Letter.

GTA rules, its bizarre though that in the US distribution channels will refuse to sell a game that is Adult only, the title is rated 18 over here and you can buy it in any shop that sells video games.

And how can some naked or explicit sexual content be worse than as people have already stated, stealing a bike, chopping off a hooker's head with a katana before going on a rampage in the subway with a flamethrower before going down in a hail of bullets?

EdGein · Jul 22, 2005, 08:27 AM

Hell back in the day you could do the SAME stuff in Leisure Suit Larry games.

I remember "Love For Sale" having a cheat with a few upside sisters...

phantomdragonz · Jul 22, 2005, 09:27 AM

damn, I will have to buy this game sounds like fun....

Zach

jasonsRX7 · Jul 22, 2005, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by phantomdragonz

damn, I will have to buy this game sounds like fun....

Zach

It rocks

HawgJawl · Jul 22, 2005, 11:02 AM

AH it was all a plot to sell more games!

MaxPower2k3 · Jul 22, 2005, 11:34 AM

How come the AO rating is seen as this awful, terrible, mind-corrupting dreck, but the difference between it and an M rating is only 1 year? Do they believe that enough maturity is developed between the ages of 17 and 18 that people will be magically less-corrupted by it?

Ghoser777 · Jul 22, 2005, 11:44 AM

They do think that magically at the age of 18 you are able to know what's right from wrong, but at age 17 you're not sure yet. Same thing with the drinking age and other arbitrary ageist rules.

ort888 · Jul 22, 2005, 11:48 AM

It's the difference between "R" and "NC-17". Most stores won't carry a game that gets an "AO", just like most theaters won't play movies that get an "NC-17".

There are also rules about how you can advertise them.

jasonsRX7 · Jul 22, 2005, 01:04 PM

Haha
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....ticket_to_hell

I want to shoot people in the face, bang prostitutes, traffic drugs, steal cars, and terrorize police officers without this filthy smut in my game.

Eriamjh · Jul 23, 2005, 07:22 AM

Two Words: Wardrobe malfunction

HawgJawl · Jul 23, 2005, 08:32 AM

Anyone remember Leisure Suit Larry "Love For Sale" ?

It has similar cheats. You got to see the twins upside naked or something.

It had to do with hairspray I believe. It was also a "hidden cheat"

http://www.larryuncut.com/

No more Mac version

himself · Jul 23, 2005, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Scotttheking

ESRB != government

It was Hilary Clinton who ordered an FTC inquiry into this. I guess the "government" is involved.

Busemann · Jul 23, 2005, 10:15 AM

Let's hope this starts a debate on moral/censorship in the US. I'm just glad European stores all continue to sell the game unaffected

scaught · 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by jasonsRX7

Haha
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....ticket_to_hell

"You are gazing into the pixels of moral decay."

hahaha

There's a link to the video here. http://www.gtasanandreas.net/news/single.php?id=1469

8.2MB of slow downloading hell. Um, stay away from this link until my DL finishes, k?