[Ghoser777]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8666753/

Didn't she learn in school not to skateboard near searing hot manholes?

[OB1]

A 27 year old women who goes skating at midnight in Manhattan. I think I'm in love. And that is going to be an unbelievably cool scar.

[Nivag]

i love her more!

[analogika]

[Nivag]

blimey i had that game when i was younger, well remembered!

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by Ghoser777

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8666753/

Didn't she learn in school not to skateboard near searing hot manholes?

Yes, and WHAT THE F*CKING H*LL COULD THE COMPANY HAVE DONE TO PREVENT THIS???

THIS is an example of what's wrong with the world today. NOBODY wants to take responsibility for ANYTHING these days. It's never your fault.

Standing on a swivel chair to reach a high place and fall off? Sue the chair manufacturer. It's not your fault YOU WERE USING THE CHAIR IN A WAY IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE USED...

You're diabetic. Your doctor tells you that you have to start eating better and exercising since you're on the maximum doses of all oral medicines and your blood sugars are still out of control and you're refusing to go on insulin. Your kidneys fail at the age of 40 and you're on dialysis for the rest of your life. He repeatedly warned you this would happen. Sue the doctor. It's not your fault YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW HIS RECOMMENDATIONS OR LISTEN TO HIM...

You're at a swimming pool. The diving board is broken and there are signs and barriers put up that CLEARLY STATE "do not use!" You ignore the signs and get around the barriers and go on the diving board anyway. It falls off and you fall into the water and become paralyzed from the neck down. Sue the pool operators. It's not your fault FOR IGNORING ALL THE WARNINGS AND BYPASSING THE BARRIERS THEY PUT UP...

I just made these up off the top of my head, but people file lawsuits for things that we could never possibly imagine because they don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

This kind of thing makes it hard for people to file legitimate suits.

[MaxPower2k3]

i do kind of think this is a stupid lawsuit, but your examples really don't apply. this isn't about 'proper use' or 'ignoring warnings,' she just accidentally fell off of her skateboard and happened to land on a manhole cover which, she had know way of knowing, was scalding hot.

[wdlove]

Just another person wanting money for something that was her fault. Wonder why no pictures were included? She is lucky that the tattoo is all that happened to her.

[budster101]

They should give her $10,000.....

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by MaxPower2k3

i do kind of think this is a stupid lawsuit, but your examples really don't apply. this isn't about 'proper use' or 'ignoring warnings,' she just accidentally fell off of her skateboard and happened to land on a manhole cover which, she had know way of knowing, was scalding hot.

My examples weren't about proper use or ignoring warnings. It's about whose FAULT it is... The common theme in each of my examples is that the people don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

My examples have everything to do with it "not being her fault."

It's "not her fault" she fell off the skateboard onto the (hot) manhole cover.

It's the company's fault because "they should have known that someone would fall off a skateboard onto their manhole cover and get a few letters permanently branded on to their body, and should have taken reasonable steps to prevent it."

[TETENAL]

Why was it hot?

[budster101]

I always wear a special protective anti-manhole protective device when in priso..... errr when I'm skateboarding near any "manhole covers" which may be burning hot...

that didn't come out right....

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Person Man

Yes, and WHAT THE F*CKING H*LL COULD THE COMPANY HAVE DONE TO PREVENT THIS???

This kind of thing makes it hard for people to file legitimate suits.

Heres a link with an article and picture of the burn on her. STORY AND PIC

Apparently Con Ed has had an fatal electricution with a manhole before this incident and seems someone should know that hot steam on metal makes the metal hot enough to scald. Seems Con Ed is liable in my opinion and could of put a traffic cone or barrier around it. I say give her what she wants. It is a legitimate suit and Con Ed should make the manhole covers safe for all who may come in contact with them. I guess she needs to die in order to gain sympathy.

[ManOfSteal]

I'm sure a ConEd collector on eBay would be willing to pay for her scar.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Person Man

My examples weren't about proper use or ignoring warnings. It's about whose FAULT it is... The common theme in each of my examples is that the people don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

My examples have everything to do with it "not being her fault."

It's "not her fault" she fell off the skateboard onto the (hot) manhole cover.

It's the company's fault because "they should have known that someone would fall off a skateboard onto their manhole cover and get a few letters permanently branded on to their body, and should have taken reasonable steps to prevent it."

No, but they should have been clever enough to see that it's quite likely that someone would, at some point, come into contact with it, one way or the other.

I like walking barefoot. I'm always careful where I walk, but if I had just happened to step on that manhole, I would have had a serious burn as well—and most likely, I would have had no way of knowing that this manhole (a normally non-dangerous and not warning-bell-inducing object) was suddenly hot enough to scar me for life. Even if you were wearing thin shoes (it's summer, many people do), you might still have been burned.

It's not about proper use or ignoring warnings, no; it's about putting up a warning to begin with! And it's not like that hot McDonald's coffee thing, either: you'd expect coffee to be hot (if you have brains, at least); you wouldn't expect the road to suddenly be scalding under your feet.

Individuals are not the only ones who need to take responsibility for their actions. If suddenly the city government decides to run 10,000 Volts through every street lamp in the city (for whatever unfathomable reason), and give absolutely no warning about this, it most certainly is their fault when someone brushes up again a street lamp and is grilled.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Person Man

My examples have everything to do with it "not being her fault."

It's "not her fault" she fell off the skateboard onto the (hot) manhole cover.

It's the company's fault because "they should have known that someone would fall off a skateboard onto their manhole cover and get a few letters permanently branded on to their body, and should have taken reasonable steps to prevent it."

It's her responsibility that she fell off her skateboard, and she should take responsibility for any damage that would normally have occurred due to that. It is not her fault that the manhole cover was way hotter than any exposed, unmarked metal object has any business being.

[budster101]

How is the manhole? She's got a big ass...

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

It's her responsibility that she fell off her skateboard

It's the skateboard manufacturer's fault for making skateboards which people can fall off. Or maybe the shoe manufacturer's fault for not making their shoe soles sticky enough. Or maybe God's fault for making gravity.

[budster101]

She's a retard... or is that an insult to retarded people?

My guess? She did it on purpose.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Person Man

Yes, and WHAT THE F*CKING H*LL COULD THE COMPANY HAVE DONE TO PREVENT THIS???

Oh, I forgot to answer this question. I have a number of good solutions:

1. They could have not made a manhole cover become searing hot — and as somebody who has gone his whole life without making a manhole cover searing hot, I know firsthand that this is not an overlarge burden.

2. They could have put some sort of protective surface of the manhole cover so as not to burn anybody.

3. They could have AT LEAST PUT A ****ING WARNING.

Chrissakes, people, why is this hard to understand? This is not analogous to chairs or skateboards you can fall off or or a doctor's orders failing to work if you don't follow them. Those are known, predictable dangers. There is no way you can predict that a random, usually harmless object on the street is going to burn a corporate logo onto your ass. The only people who could have known about the danger (and thus had a responsibility to prevent it) were the company who created the danger.

[budster101]

I'm going to pick door number two where we blame the tard for falling off of her skateboard while bing scantily clad enough that she seers her own fat ass.

I think she knew the manhole was very hot and furthermore wanted to shake down ComEd for some stacks of dead presidents, end-to-ends, some greenbacks, dinero, pesos, cashola...

Or, I could be wrong and she is just an innocent skateboard rider who had no clue as to the danger that lay before her, carefully riding her four wheeled form of transport down that dangerous bit of road fallling off, unbenknownst to her, she fell on top of that evil company's seering hot manhole cover of evilness... and they didn't even label the thing, hot! manhole cover ahead. By all means she shoulld sue them... and win Eleventy Billion Dollars.

[Chuckit]

Yeah, and let's blame gunshot victims for not wearing heavy armor. It's not the gunman's fault that he pulled the trigger on a dangerous weapon; it's the dumbass who failed to protect himself from that man.

Seriously, do you have any reason to believe she knew, or are you just being irrational?

[Doofy]

In which skate park was this manhole cover?

[Chuckit]

On what planet does it matter? The skateboarding is irrelevant to the fact that the company had placed a very dangerous object in a place where people might touch it for any number of reasons. Whether or not you like skateboarders, she had no way of predicting that her actions would lead to her getting burnt the **** up, and thus it is by definition not her fault.

[budster101]

Did the manhole cover jump up and hit her in her fat ass?

Did a ComEd worker stand there and push her over onto it with her fat ass?

Did ComEd intentionally set a trap for skateboarders? Those bastards...

Yeah, what skate park was she in? It's not legal to ride a skateboard as far as I know on the street... did she veer off of the sidewalk and onto the street to avoid something?

I'm being very feces-yush, well partially, but she is an idiot.

It is not material if she is a skateboarder or a bike rider or an inline skater, or a big wheel rider...

[Eriamjh]

Originally Posted by budster101

I always wear a special protective anti-manhole protective device when in priso..... errr when I'm skateboarding near any "manhole covers" which may be burning hot...

that didn't come out right....

Now there's a definition of "man-hole" that I did not think of...

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

Now there's a definition of "man-hole" that I did not think of...

Strange... it was the first definition that came to mind for me when I first saw the thread title...

[IFLY2HIGH]

Sounds like some kind of law might of been broken, skateboarding at night, and on a street, most citys do have laws about this and most are illegal. So while she sues they city, the city can then in turn sue or write her a ticket for the same or more amount of her lawsuit and just call it even.

[budster101]

She's toast.

[invisibleX]

Originally Posted by budster101

I'm going to pick door number two where we blame the tard for falling off of her skateboard while bing scantily clad enough that she seers her own fat ass.

I think she knew the manhole was very hot and furthermore wanted to shake down ComEd for some stacks of dead presidents, end-to-ends, some greenbacks, dinero, pesos, cashola...

Or, I could be wrong and she is just an innocent skateboard rider who had no clue as to the danger that lay before her, carefully riding her four wheeled form of transport down that dangerous bit of road fallling off, unbenknownst to her, she fell on top of that evil company's seering hot manhole cover of evilness... and they didn't even label the thing, hot! manhole cover ahead. By all means she shoulld sue them... and win Eleventy Billion Dollars.

Somehow I find it hard to believe someone would brand their own ass intentionally and then forget to sue until a year later. Seems to me suing would be the first thing you'd do after branding yourself with the intention of screwing ComEd over. I guess between the searing pain and smell of roasted chicken it slipped her mind...

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by IFLY2HIGH

Sounds like some kind of law might of been broken, skateboarding at night, and on a street, most citys do have laws about this and most are illegal. So while she sues they city, the city can then in turn sue or write her a ticket for the same or more amount of her lawsuit and just call it even.

Assuming she was skateboarding on the street and Manhattan has a law against doing so at night — I'm not sure of either — it would be rather odd for the fine to be equal to what you could get from a lawsuit for grievous bodily harm. Usually antiskateboarding laws' fines are around $200, in my experience, whereas lawsuits like this can net you upward of $1 million.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by IFLY2HIGH

Sounds like some kind of law might of been broken, skateboarding at night, and on a street, most citys do have laws about this and most are illegal.

In the city where I live right now, it's illegal to ride a bicycle, skateboard, rollerblades, etc. on the sidewalk, not the street. Don't know about other places, though, and I looked for a while, but I couldn't seem to find anything on the New York City government website regarding rules for skateboards. I did find plenty of rules for bicycles, though. They're not allowed on the sidewalk in NYC either (just like most places!).

Of course, where I am, drivers will routinely yell "Use the Sidewalk!" at bicyclists riding on the street, even though the bicyclist is following the law and it would be illegal for him to ride on the sidewalk, so the moral is that most people apparently have no idea what the law is, or they just assume the law says whatever would be most convenient to them.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Heres a link with an article and picture of the burn on her. STORY AND PIC

Apparently Con Ed has had an fatal electricution with a manhole before this incident and seems someone should know that hot steam on metal makes the metal hot enough to scald. Seems Con Ed is liable in my opinion and could of put a traffic cone or barrier around it. I say give her what she wants. It is a legitimate suit and Con Ed should make the manhole covers safe for all who may come in contact with them. I guess she needs to die in order to gain sympathy.

What if the manhole was in the middle of the street? Or the middle of the sidewalk? You can't just "put a cone" there. And if it was in the middle of an industrial park, then that woman really had no business skateboarding there anyway.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Person Man

What if the manhole was in the middle of the street? Or the middle of the sidewalk? You can't just "put a cone" there.

Of course you can. What do you think they do when they use the manholes, just leave the area 'unconed' with a big hole in the middle of the road? Besides, manholes are rarely in the middle of the road (at least over here they're not).

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by Oisín

Of course you can. What do you think they do when they use the manholes, just leave the area 'unconed' with a big hole in the middle of the road? Besides, manholes are rarely in the middle of the road (at least over here they're not).

Well, she fell on the manhole cover, not into the manhole, and I have never seen a covered manhole with a cone next to it. Granted, they wouldn't have put it in a street or sidewalk anyway, if they knew hot steam was going to be heating it up. My guess is that it was in the middle of an industrial park, in which case she had no business skateboarding there in the first place.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Person Man

Well, she fell on the manhole cover, not into the manhole, and I have never seen a covered manhole with a cone next to it. Granted, they wouldn't have put it in a street or sidewalk anyway, if they knew hot steam was going to be heating it up. My guess is that it was in the middle of an industrial park, in which case she had no business skateboarding there in the first place.

If it was in an industrial park, then fair enough, she had no business being there in the first place.

If it wasn't, and the manhole being scalding hot was due to something unusual and not something that particular manhole is normally used for, then her lawsuit is fair enough, I think.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by Oisín

If it wasn't, and the manhole being scalding hot was due to something unusual and not something that particular manhole is normally used for, then her lawsuit is fair enough, I think.

Possibly. Although the fact that she waited a year to file the suit makes me think something is not quite kosher.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Person Man

Possibly. Although the fact that she waited a year to file the suit makes me think something is not quite kosher.

I hadn't noticed that. Well, that most likely means one of two things:

1) She's trying to skin them, and there is indeed something fishy about this suit.

2) She's been in a dialogue with the company over this past year, trying to settle it private; the company have dragged it out, and are now flat-out refusing to help her, so she goes to court with it.

Once again, we are left the sad bystanders too far out of hearing range to know which one is the true possibility (or if it's really a whole other thing), as always with these discussions that arise from news articles; we'll probably never know for sure.

[OB1]

Oh well.

If this makes her a millionaire, do you think she'll keep skating? Or get liposucktion?