[Athens]

Title explains all

http://www.baitcar.com/videos/oncoming

Reason why the car wasent disabled right away

Why didn't police disable the engine right away? At the time of this incident, the bait car program had been up and running for only one month. The engine disabling policy at that time dictated that a bait car engine should only be disabled if the bait car is being driven slowly or is stopped, so that the driver would not lose power steering and power brakes. When this bait truck first took off from police, the responding officer called for the engine to be disabled, but this request was denied since the dispatcher could see the high speeds of the truck on the computer monitor and followed the policy that was in effect at that time. As the vehicle fled and didn't slow down, an attempt to disable the engine was made, but the cellular coverage in this particlar area of rural Aldergrove was weak and electronic communication between the dispatch centre and the bait truck was lost for a long period of time. When communications were re-established, the suspect was getting out of the truck and stealing his next vehicle to escape.

[Railroader]

And you want to legalize drugs...

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Railroader

And you want to legalize drugs...

Yes, think he would be stealing cars to pay for his addiction if they where provided as a treatment for those addicted?

[Railroader]

Meth is cheap. And you want meth provided as addiction treatment?!?!

He'd still be stealing cars because he's a meth addict. Makes you crazy man.

And it's not the stealing so much as the dangerous behavior that puts innocent people at risk. Like speeding so fast the can't disable a bait-car safely.

You have some crazy ideas.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Railroader

And you want to legalize drugs...

Yeah, I'm sure that nobody has ever stolen a car while intoxicated from alcohol.

[videian28]

scary

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Meth is cheap. And you want meth provided as addiction treatment?!?!

He'd still be stealing cars because he's a meth addict. Makes you crazy man.

And it's not the stealing so much as the dangerous behavior that puts innocent people at risk. Like speeding so fast the can't disable a bait-car safely.

You have some crazy ideas.

Booze is cheap too. This guy would be stealing cars REGARDLESS of the drugs; they said he was stealing 3 of them a day. He might have been addicted to the drug, but he was also addicted to the rush of stealing a vehicle. I mean, the guy was nuts...but on the other hand.... that did look kinda fun. Yes, he was endangering people's lives, etc etc etc, but on the other hand, he just didn't give a ****. He was just going.

Personally, while I think his drug habit is awful and he shouldn't be endangering people, he obviously is quite skilled at stealing cars. Maybe they should use him for one of those 'reclaiming property' shows, where people don't make the payments, he could steal it back. Or ****, just get this guy about 2 years worth of meth, and airlift him into Iraq. The guy would just go crazy and teach those terrorists that we're freakin insane.

[ghporter]

The individual in question was not acting because of the meth or because of an addiction. Not at all. He is psychologically disturbed, and he expresses that through theft, primarily of vehicles. His lack of concern for others, for their property, or particularly for his own personal safety indicates that he needs LOTS of treatment. He won't stop stealing cars because he's been in the joint for a while.

[wdlove]

A wild ride. Crazy! Wonder is the car had LoJack? Good for the police.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Railroader

And you want to legalize drugs...

Who wants to make Meth legal? Even though it is illegal now did that stop this guy?

[James L]

Originally Posted by Railroader

And you want to legalize drugs...

Actually, people within Canada want to decriminalize pot... you know, that drug that is less harmful than alcohol, that the US spends billions of dollars fighting a losing battle against each year.

I can't think of anyone who wants to legalize meth, and I work in health care.

I am not actually sure what pot has to do with meth, or this car thief.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Yeah, I'm sure that nobody has ever stolen a car while intoxicated from alcohol.

I know, it is aweful. It seems that they are ignoring the law concerning alcohol. And can you imagine how many more crimes like this would be committed if people had free reign to take drugs that would cause them to wack out like this guy?

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Who wants to make Meth legal? Even though it is illegal now did that stop this guy?

athens. But can you imagine how many more crimes like this would be committed if people had free reign to take drugs that would cause them to wack out like this guy?

Originally Posted by James L

Actually, people within Canada want to decriminalize pot... you know, that drug that is less harmful than alcohol, that the US spends billions of dollars fighting a losing battle against each year.

I can't think of anyone who wants to legalize meth, and I work in health care.

I am not actually sure what pot has to do with meth, or this car thief.

Don't you guys read athens psots?

[suvsr4terrorists]

Athens is a freakin' moron. I'm sure there aren't many people like him.

PS: I'd be all for legalizing meth if people did it in their own houses and didn't bother anybody.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Athens is a freakin' moron. I'm sure there aren't many people like him.

Which is probably the only reason I responded to this post. To show how stupid it is to think meth should be legal. Show him how stupid of an idea it is. He's all for it being legal.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

PS: I'd be all for legalizing meth if people did it in their own houses and didn't bother anybody.

You think meth users are like that? Even if it was legalized? I assure you, they ain't. A good friend of mine (a friend no more) became a meth user and then a meth producer/dealer. I ruined him and his whole family. It ruined a lot of people. And not from the perspective of legalities either.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by James L

Actually, people within Canada want to decriminalize pot... you know, that drug that is less harmful than alcohol, that the US spends billions of dollars fighting a losing battle against each year.

I can't think of anyone who wants to legalize meth, and I work in health care.

I am not actually sure what pot has to do with meth, or this car thief.

Are you crazy???

Pot is far more dangerous than alcohol, especially for the alcohol-sponsored industry!

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by James L

Actually, people within Canada want to decriminalize pot... you know, that drug that is less harmful than alcohol, that the US spends billions of dollars fighting a losing battle against each year.

I can't think of anyone who wants to legalize meth, and I work in health care.

I am not actually sure what pot has to do with meth, or this car thief.

What's the point in legalizing something that is known to cause harm? Just because it supposedly causes less harm than other drugs (such as alcohol and cigarettes) that should also be illegal? Everyone I've known or heard of who does marijuana has turned out to be a loser. This is the image that needs to be painted. Drugs are for losers. Not the image of late night audiences cheering whenever the word "marijuana" is used. Not rappers and celebrities speaking about how they "smoke up" every 15 minutes. Not cartoon characters walking around with joints. The idea that the war on drugs is a losing battle is an image painted by drug users to convince themselves they are in the majority, when they are in fact not. If the war on drugs was a losing battle the drug subculture would be the majority by now, and that is not the case.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Railroader

And you want to legalize drugs...

There's no proof that making drugs illegal reduces the problem. On the contrary, there is proof that it has no effect either way.

But the cost of keeping drugs illegal is extremely high, both in monetary cost as well as loss of civil liberties, protection against seizure of property, crime caused by the black market, etc.

It would be far wiser to not spend money on criminalizing drugs, but rather to spend that money on treatment and [honest]* prevention.

Meth is a horrible, horrible drug. I don't think it should be illegal, though. Like all drugs, I think it should be handled as a medical and social problem, not a criminal one.

tooki


*I add this qualifier because so many of the prevention programs so far have been blatantly dishonest. DARE, for example, equates marijuana use with heroin use. Clearly, they are not on the same level. This type of dishonesty discredits all the drug prevention programs.

[rjenkinson]

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lounge/258620/police-bait-car-videos/

-r.

[turtle777]

Charged with 123 criminal offences and only 4 years of jail ?

Only in America, uhm, wait, CANADA...

-t

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Railroader

I know, it is aweful. It seems that they are ignoring the law concerning alcohol. And can you imagine how many more crimes like this would be committed if people had free reign to take drugs that would cause them to wack out like this guy?



athens. But can you imagine how many more crimes like this would be committed if people had free reign to take drugs that would cause them to wack out like this guy?




Don't you guys read athens psots?

People that want to do drugs are doing them, legal or not. People that dont want to do drugs dont do drugs not because its illegal because they dont want to. I cant see anything changing with drugs being decrimialized and for addicts being provided like a prescription.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by nforcer

What's the point in legalizing something that is known to cause harm? Just because it supposedly causes less harm than other drugs (such as alcohol and cigarettes) that should also be illegal? Everyone I've known or heard of who does marijuana has turned out to be a loser. This is the image that needs to be painted. Drugs are for losers. Not the image of late night audiences cheering whenever the word "marijuana" is used. Not rappers and celebrities speaking about how they "smoke up" every 15 minutes. Not cartoon characters walking around with joints. The idea that the war on drugs is a losing battle is an image painted by drug users to convince themselves they are in the majority, when they are in fact not. If the war on drugs was a losing battle the drug subculture would be the majority by now, and that is not the case.

People should not be protected from themselves. Laws should be to protect people from other people. With that in mind, the law says you cant drink and drive. Any drugs being legal should have the same restrictions that you cant be stoned and drive. In the case of meth which I never said I wanted legal originally simple solution for that one. Meth Addicts must take it in a harm reduction room and commit for a full 14 hour isolation or how ever long the effects of that drug are Cant harm any one, cant harm themselves and no one is in danger. People that want to do drugs already do them. Those that get addicted it becomes a medical problem and should be dealt with as a medical issue. Drugs being legal and affordable solves more problems then it creates.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Railroader

You think meth users are like that? Even if it was legalized? I assure you, they ain't. A good friend of mine (a friend no more) became a meth user and then a meth producer/dealer. I ruined him and his whole family. It ruined a lot of people. And not from the perspective of legalities either.

Wow. Good point. At least we can sleep soundly knowing that alcohol has never ruined someone's life, or affected people's families.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by nforcer

What's the point in legalizing something that is known to cause harm? Just because it supposedly causes less harm than other drugs (such as alcohol and cigarettes) that should also be illegal? Everyone I've known or heard of who does marijuana has turned out to be a loser. This is the image that needs to be painted. Drugs are for losers..

That's odd. Almost all of my friends smoke occasionally, and they're anything but losers. While I was in Pville I smoked up with the Val Dictorian. In fact, I'd say the most intelligent people I know smoke pot occasionally.

As for legalizing it, there's numerous reasons to do so:

1. ITS A WEED! Do you know how easy it grows?!?! That's like trying to outlaw dandelions!
2. Almost every culture on every continent has found something like it, and decided it was a good thing to smoke it.
3. It's a HUGE waste of taxpayer's money to fight it, burn fields, arrest people, and put them in jail when they are NOT endangering any member of society. The only thing a high person endangers is the local quickie-mart's cheeto supply.
4. When smoked out of a bong or vaporizer, it isn't very harmful at all.
5. The only... and I mean ONLY reason it was declared illegal was because of MONEY. William Randolp Hearst owned a ton of newspapers, and a lot of foresting land. Something akin to a cotten gin was invented to extract pulp from hemp plants, and it was WAY more efficient than using trees for paper.... like, 2-3 times, plus weeds grow back so quickly in comparison to trees. He decided to run anti-pot stories on the front pages of his newspapers, starting a huge fake propaganda machine that got it declared illegal.

Do you look back and realize how incredibly ****ing stupid prohibition was? It's the same exact deal.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by tooki

There's no proof that making drugs illegal reduces the problem. On the contrary, there is proof that it has no effect either way.

But the cost of keeping drugs illegal is extremely high, both in monetary cost as well as loss of civil liberties, protection against seizure of property, crime caused by the black market, etc.

It would be far wiser to not spend money on criminalizing drugs, but rather to spend that money on treatment and [honest]* prevention.

Meth is a horrible, horrible drug. I don't think it should be illegal, though. Like all drugs, I think it should be handled as a medical and social problem, not a criminal one.

tooki


*I add this qualifier because so many of the prevention programs so far have been blatantly dishonest. DARE, for example, equates marijuana use with heroin use. Clearly, they are not on the same level. This type of dishonesty discredits all the drug prevention programs.

Case in point, Vancouver’s drug approach which is looking to be a success focused on harm reduction over criminalizing, 4 years ago you could walk down any ally in skid row and see people shooting up in mid day, needles everywhere, addicts every where and the amount of people overdosing was a lot. Same time AIDs and other diseases was rampaging, all this in the downtown east side, skid row. Anyways the 4 pillars approach came in and the goal was to reduce the harm to every one so first came the safe injection house. You had a clean sterilized environment to inject your drugs, under medical supervision and counselors who where available for assistance to the ppl who wanted to get off drugs. Net effect, I have seen a single needle in the year and a half on the streets, I haven’t seen a single addict shooting up and the health department reported infection of dieses has dropped and other health related problems like infections have decreased by a huge amount. The same amount of people as before though attempted to get off drugs, that didn’t change, but what did is how many where successful at least to today anyways at staying off drugs. People that go to the cancellers when they are ready to quit have a better chance at success then some one ordered by the courts to quit. The last step in this program which will be starting soon is providing heroin free to addicts who have been addicts for more then a x number of years and who have failed methadone treatments

This last step attacks the criminal element, take away the demand for the heroin, dealers our out of business.

[Athens]

hehe a scotish cop
http://www.baitcar.com/videos/so_much_for_going_home

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by Athens

Laws should be to protect people from other people. With that in mind, the law says you cant drink and drive. Any drugs being legal should have the same restrictions that you cant be stoned and drive. In the case of meth which I never said I wanted legal originally simple solution for that one. Meth Addicts must take it in a harm reduction room and commit for a full 14 hour isolation or how ever long the effects of that drug are Cant harm any one, cant harm themselves and no one is in danger. People that want to do drugs already do them. Those that get addicted it becomes a medical problem and should be dealt with as a medical issue. Drugs being legal and affordable solves more problems then it creates.

The problem is that I don't know of any drug user that will willingly do the things you want. Druggies want to get screwed up with their screwed up friends. They don't want restrictions because they think they are in control. They think doing whatever at home or outside is fine. They believe they can operate heavy machinery and do anything else a normal person can do. All because some legal "drug taking isolation center" is provided does not give them incentive or reason to use it.

The other problem is that with some hallucinogens, trace amounts remain in the system and can months later cause episodes without warning. So 14 hours or whatever the short term effect of any drug is would not be sufficient to restrain druggies from harming normal people later on.

Druggies have proven time and time again their poor judgement and lack of concern for others. I don't want a bunch of impaired idiots running around my town.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by nforcer

They believe they can operate heavy machinery and do anything else a normal person can do.

I think you're confusing 'someone who does a drug occasionally' with 'a total moron'. I don't even like driving when I've had caffiene.

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

I think you're confusing 'someone who does a drug occasionally' with 'a total moron'. I don't even like driving when I've had caffiene.

Someone who does a drug occaisionally is a total moron in my mind.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by nforcer

Someone who does a drug occaisionally is a total moron in my mind.

Hrm. Funny. I find the people who let the government dictate what's good and bad for them without thinking for themselves are morons.

And people who play golf.

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Hrm. Funny. I find the people who let the government dictate what's good and bad for them without thinking for themselves are morons.

And people who play golf.

So what illegal substance do you abuse "occasionally" that you have convinced yourself is "healthy" or "cool" to do? Doing drugs != thinking for yourself. Perhaps you should take up golf.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Charged with 123 criminal offences and only 4 years of jail ?

Only in America, uhm, wait, CANADA...

-t

Only in BC, the cops are so fustrated at the courts, car theifts get NOTHING

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Hrm. Funny. I find the people who let the government dictate what's good and bad for them without thinking for themselves are morons.

And people who play golf.

OK that was good

[Athens]

Originally Posted by nforcer

So what illegal substance do you abuse "occasionally" that you have convinced yourself is "healthy" or "cool" to do? Doing drugs != thinking for yourself. Perhaps you should take up golf.

Who said anything about healthy or cool. Why do people race cars, sky dive, play sports, its for the rush or entertainment. Why do people drink? A person on a drug rush or a person on a rush from falling out of a plane is on a rush, one is chemical in nature another is chemical in a different nature, both have risks.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Wow. Good point. At least we can sleep soundly knowing that alcohol has never ruined someone's life, or affected people's families.

See here's where you look dumber than athens. I never said to the contrary what you are saying. A lot of things destroy lives. Want to start naming them all? Are you saying that since one item destroys live and yet is legal then all things that destroy lives should be made legal?

Following your faulty logic and bad sarcasm, atleast we can all sleep soundly knowing that a sports car was never used improperlly and any accidents have never ruined someone's life, or affected people's families.

See how stupid that sounds Rob?

[Warung]

Originally Posted by nforcer

I don't want a bunch of impaired idiots running around my town.

You (as in general you) didn't seem to have a problem electing one of them your president though, didn't you!

OT: Reality is for people who can't handle drugs...

[d.fine]

[cacarr1]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Hrm. Funny. I find the people who let the government dictate what's good and bad for them without thinking for themselves are morons.

And people who play golf.

You're not the brightest guy around are you?

[cacarr1]

Oops, double post...
and while I was accusing someone else of stupidity

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by nforcer

So what illegal substance do you abuse "occasionally" that you have convinced yourself is "healthy" or "cool" to do? Doing drugs != thinking for yourself. Perhaps you should take up golf.

Pot is a great drug. It doesn't make you retarded, and allows for some pretty creative thought processes and deep experiences. It heightens all the senses, and allows you to focus in on certain aspects if you choose to do so.

Is it healthy? No. Not really. It's smoke. Almost everything isn't healthy. Key is moderation.

Is it cool? Well, it's very enjoyable and I've made a lot of totally freaking awesome memories doing it, so I'd say it's pretty cool.

In fact, I'd say doing drugs involves MORE thinking for yourself, since you're knowingly partaking in something that the government has declared illegal. The mindless sheep that just keep their heads down and obey the man and say 'yes, pot is bad' seem to be the ones who aren't thinking for themselves.

Think about it. Almost every culture on every continent found this plant, and smoked it. It's legal in most places in the world, yet it's illegal here not because it's dangerous or ruins people's lives, but because of a freakin newspaper baron.

- Rob

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Railroader

See here's where you look dumber than athens. I never said to the contrary what you are saying. A lot of things destroy lives. Want to start naming them all? Are you saying that since one item destroys live and yet is legal then all things that destroy lives should be made legal?

Following your faulty logic and bad sarcasm, atleast we can all sleep soundly knowing that a sports car was never used improperlly and any accidents have never ruined someone's life, or affected people's families.

See how stupid that sounds Rob?

Exactly my point. Hence your arguement that Meth should be illegal because it ruins people's lives is invalid.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by nforcer

I don't want a bunch of impaired idiots running around my town.

And I'm just SURE that nobody in your town drives while drunk, right?

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by cacarr1

You're not the brightest guy around are you?

I'm well above average, but I'm not going into details.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

I'm well above average, but I'm not going into details.

We don't even wanna know

-t

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Pot is a great drug. It doesn't make you retarded, and allows for some pretty creative thought processes and deep experiences. It heightens all the senses, and allows you to focus in on certain aspects if you choose to do so.

Interesting how so many students who do it get worse grades than students who don't do it. I've seen plenty of people go from being A-students to failing. I've seen creative people waste years of their lives doing nothing after using pot "in moderation" like you suggest. Try telling teachers pot does not make their students retarded. Try telling the researchers it doesn't impair the user's memory. Only an addict would call pot a great drug.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Is it healthy? No.

Glad you agree.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

In fact, I'd say doing drugs involves MORE thinking for yourself, since you're knowingly partaking in something that the government has declared illegal

The typical stoner argument to convince themselves they are right. Why don't you migrate up to heroin or meth like so many addicts before you have? The government has declared those substances illegal as well, so why don't you "think for yourself" and do it? Why don't you rob a bank since the government has declared that illegal as well? Why don't you go out and kill some people, since the government has declared that illegal, also? Only when you have done those things will you have thought for yourself, by your logic.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Think about it. Almost every culture on every continent found this plant, and smoked it. It's legal in most places in the world, yet it's illegal here not because it's dangerous or ruins people's lives, but because of a freakin newspaper baron.

Think about it. Almost every doctor on this planet says that smoking is bad for you. Almost every doctor agrees that drugs are bad, too. Yet the potheads without credentials or anything of significance disagree. It's typical denial from an addict, trying to rationalize what they do and convince themselves what they do should be legal. How many countries where pot is legal have first rate economies or lead the world in anything important and did they lead before pot was legal there? How many of those countries where it is legal also have corrupt governments or major social problems?

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by nforcer

Interesting how so many students who do it get worse grades than students who don't do it.

Take this thing I'm going to tell you, and repeat it until you believe it:

You.... are full.... of ****. Like I said, I've smoked pot with the Val Dictorian, and almost all my friends who smoke pot receive very high gradepoints.

I've seen plenty of people go from being A-students to failing.

I've seen that a few times. But I've seen alcohol do that about 10X as often.

Try telling teachers pot does not make their students retarded. Try telling the researchers it doesn't impair the user's memory. Only an addict would call pot a great drug.

Are you talking about middle schoolers? None of hte people I know have noticed memory loss, and all of us are/were the 'bright ones' in class.

Do you have a tan? That isn't healthy.

The typical stoner argument to convince themselves they are right.

First off, I'm not a stoner. Secondly, you've done nothing to counter the argument. You've just stated that said stoners use this argument. How does that make it invalid?

Why don't you migrate up to heroin or meth like so many addicts before you have?

Because I have no desire to? Calling pot a gateway drug is a ****ing joke. Guess how many pot users tried alcohol before pot? GASP! 100%! That means alcohol is the true gatway drug! BUT WAIT! How many of those people who tried alcohol tried caffiene! GASP! 100% Thus caffiene is the true gateway drug, snaring kids while they're young! Your argument is ********. I don't dig coke or meth or whatever the hell you want to say next because they're HARD DRUGS, and they've been refined and concentrated into something that can screw you up big time.

The government has declared those substances illegal as well, so why don't you "think for yourself" and do it?

Because of the reasons I stated above. If it were 100% legal, I wouldn't try it. It's a manmade super concentrated form of **** that can cause permanent damage, and severe addiction. Pot is not chemically addictive, nor is it very harmful.

Why don't you rob a bank since the government has declared that illegal as well?

Because it'd be hard to get away with.

Why don't you go out and kill some people, since the government has declared that illegal, also?

I'm not dead yet. There are plenty of people in this world who I think deserve death, and given the right circumstances I'd gladly do it (rapists, murderers, etc).

Only when you have done those things will you have thought for yourself, by your logic.

Not really. Maybe if I start coming up with ******** arguments that twist someone's ideas around then I'd be operating with your logic? All cultures found cannabis. All of them thought it was cool. Hell, it's even mentioned as an ingredient for the annointing oil in the ****ing bible. It isn't dangerous, it isn't very harmful at all, and the only reason it's illegal was because of a newspaper baron. We waste BILLIONS of dollars fighting it every year, filling our jails with non violent people, and waste even more money and time in the court system dealing with it.

From a non biased perspective, it's ****ing ludicrous that it's illegal. Any sane person would agree.

Think about it. Almost every doctor on this planet says that smoking is bad for you.

Yet cigarettes, which contain tar and a host of other dangerous toxins along with highly addictive chemicals, are legal. Smoking a natural plant that isn't addictive isn't legal. This, does not make sense.

Almost every doctor agrees that drugs are bad, too.

Yep. Like caffiene, alcohol, tobacco, and many other stimulants that are somehow legal, only because they didn't threaten the financial investements of a newspaper baron. Heck, every doctor would agree that getting tan is harmful also, but I have a feeling you don't slap on the SPF 45 everytime you go outside....

[quote]Yet the potheads without credentials or anything of significance disagree. [quote]

Where? I don't know many 'potheads', but I do know a lot of people who smoke pot. All of them realize that smoking isn't good for you, that's why they partake in moderation.

It's typical denial from an addict, trying to rationalize what they do and convince themselves what they do should be legal.

It's typical from a lemming, trying to declare that his opinions were formed on his own intellectual grounds, instead of accepting contradictory reasons from the government.

How many countries where pot is legal have first rate economies or lead the world in anything important and did they lead before pot was legal there? How many of those countries where it is legal also have corrupt governments or major social problems?

No idea. I'd have to say if alcohol was illegal and pot was legal, I think we'd be a more productive less aggressive society. We certainly wouldn't be picking fights with other nations all the time, that's for sure. Check this page out:

http://www.olywa.net/when/part05.html

[MacOSR]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Pot is a great drug. It doesn't make you retarded, and allows for some pretty creative thought processes and deep experiences. It heightens all the senses, and allows you to focus in on certain aspects if you choose to do so.

If you ever have to have surgery please ask your surgeon to smoke some pot prior to your surgery. This way he can have "creative thought processes" and "hightened senses". The pot should allow him to "focus on certain aspects" of your surgery.

[James L]

Smoking pot == bad (from the whole impaired judgment while under influence, die of lung cancer point of view)

Alcohol use == bad (from the whole die of liver disease, die from other lfestyle issues surrounding etoh abuse (poor nutrition, etc), people killing people, beating wives, etc when drunk).

cigarette smoking == bad... no need to discuss.


So, the government allows 2 out of 3, with controls and taxation.

For all the anti pot people, what are your viewpoints on this? If you know anything about the 3 drugs, you know that pot is no worse than alcohol. I would venture a guess that even within countries that have decriminalized or legalized pot that alcohol has a much more significant effect on the social and health care systems. I work in emergency health care. I see the rampant destruction that alcohol causes daily. I see the patients dying from cancer from years of smoking.

WIth all that in mind... why do you consider pot so evil?

If your argument is that the government says pot is evil so I will believe that too.... stop being a sheep.

If your argument is that we already have enough problems with alcohol and tobacco, and we don't need additional problems from pot... than please tell me if we should pour the same resources into the prohibition of alcohol and tobacco as we pour into fighting the war on pot. And, if you don't think we should legalize pot, but that legal alcohol and tobacco is ok, please explain how you are not a hypocrite.

Note that I am not defending either position, but just curious over people's viewpoints.

Personally, at work, I would take a sober guy as a patient over any other. BUT, if there had to be substance abuse, give me the dude stoned on pot who just wants a hug and some cheezies over the drunk asshole who just crashed his car into a family of 3 after beating his wife any day of the week.

[nforcer]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

You.... are full.... of ****. Like I said, I've smoked pot with the Val Dictorian, and almost all my friends who smoke pot receive very high gradepoints.

You've smoked pot with the Val Dictorian, wow. Maybe you should do it with your parents and teachers next. Your school must not have many dedicated students if the potheads lead the class. You've done another thing many pot addicts do: base their arguments on a single counter-example. The link between drug users, potheads included, and poor academic performance remains.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

But I've seen alcohol do that about 10X as often ... Yet cigarettes, which contain tar and a host of other dangerous toxins along with highly addictive chemicals, are legal.

Alcohol is destructive as is tobacco-anything, but saying "well, alcohol and cigarettes cause more problems and are legal" is a poor response. Why would you want to compare your drug to other such drugs if "pot is a great drug" as you claim?

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

First off, I'm not a stoner

You're not a stoner, you just smoke pot "in moderation" with your friends and praise its "advantages" to everyone. Then you get antagonized when someone says otherwise and cannot form a valid response without resorting to getting angry and using a lot of words MacNN's filter does not like. Most responses from drug addicts to counselors who try to tell them they have a problem have a similar tone.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Your argument is ********. I don't dig coke or meth or whatever the hell you want to say next because they're HARD DRUGS, and they've been refined and concentrated into something that can screw you up big time.

I'd say that any substance you need to smoke "in moderation" has already "screw[ed] you up big time".

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Pot is not chemically addictive, nor is it very harmful.

If it's not chemically addictive, then why don't you and your friends stop? Because it "feels good"? That would be the classic response of an addict.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Because [robbing a bank] be hard to get away with

So if robbing a bank was easy to get away with, you would do that too? Your argument for using drugs is that because it is easy to get away with, you do it. And you not only do it alone, you do it with "almost all" of your friends. So the extent of you thinking for yourself is doing pot with your friends because it's easy to get away with. That's not thinking for yourself; that's called submitting to peer pressure. Did one of your friends introduce you to drugs, or did you introduce them?

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

We waste BILLIONS of dollars fighting it every year, filling our jails with non violent people, and waste even more money and time in the court system dealing with it

We spend billions fighting drugs every year but it is worth it. There are quite a few violent cases where drugs played a central role. Then consider the many cases that are not violent, with dealers selling to middle and high school teenagers. Getting kids hooked on drugs is not a good thing. For the drug users that are caught, the unfortunate part is their inability to reform and quit their addiction even after imprisonment.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

every doctor would agree that getting tan is harmful also, but I have a feeling you don't slap on the SPF 45 everytime you go outside

I don't know where tanning came into this but you might be happy to know I don't think tanning is a good idea, either.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

It's typical from a lemming, trying to declare that his opinions were formed on his own intellectual grounds, instead of accepting contradictory reasons from the government.

It's typical from a drug addict, trying to claim he is enlightened, not addicted to his drug, rationalizing usage because his friends do it, and not trusting studies that contradict what he wants to hear.

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

I'd have to say if alcohol was illegal and pot was legal, I think we'd be a more productive less aggressive society. We certainly wouldn't be picking fights with other nations all the time, that's for sure

I'd have to say if all drugs including alcohol, pot, and tobacco-related things were never used, we'd have a healthier and more productive society. Pot is not healthy per your own admission, so why should that be on your legal list? Because you are addicted and cannot see a way out, or because you want to bring more people down to your level?

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Originally Posted by MacOSR

If you ever have to have surgery please ask your surgeon to smoke some pot prior to your surgery. This way he can have "creative thought processes" and "hightened senses". The pot should allow him to "focus on certain aspects" of your surgery.

Did you mean 'HEIGHTENED"? Right now I'm drunk, but I still now how to spell. And I also know enough not to drive, or operate machinery that could hurt someone. Just like when I'm high. I just walk, or eat, or talk. That's it. Your argument is about as stupid as saying "OH you think beer should be legal?! Well then ask your dentist to get trashed and work on your mouth!"

Seriously the arguments here are actually BELOW go-tard levels.

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I'll respond to the other brain washed tighty whitey wearing moron tomorrow. I'm too drunk for my brain to understand his incredibly ****ing stupid arguements.