[Fred_Cokebottle]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ane050802.html

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

My sister is on the roof to see if she can see smoke.

Here is another link.
http://www.canada.com/national/story...3-706ef0159d71

Last I heard up to 300 people are onboard and it is on fire.

[Fred_Cokebottle]

highway cam picks it up sorta, lots of smoke

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/tra...ra/camhome.htm

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/tra...c36.htm#camera

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

If they are still in there with that much smoke I don't think there is much hope of them making it. Horrible.

[kmkkid]

couple explosions just went off, probably the gas tank.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

couple explosions just went off, probably the gas tank.

Are you saying that like it is a minor thing?

[kmkkid]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Are you saying that like it is a minor thing?

No just warding off the "OMG IT'S TERRORISM/BOMBS!!!" people

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

No just warding off the "OMG IT'S TERRORISM/BOMBS!!!" people

It's Canada, notice how not one news story so far as even mentioned that. And our colour coded terror alert system hasn't changed either

[zizban]

Watching it live on CNN.

[tooki]

RealPlayer live video stream: http://play.rbn.com/?url=aplive/nyny...amp;proto=rtsp

tooki

[Atomic Rooster]

Would they risk lives to put out a fire like that if no one was left inside?

I would think they would just stand back if it was empty.

Hope everyone is ok.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

It's Canada, notice how not one news story so far as even mentioned that. And our colour coded terror alert system hasn't changed either

Last time I checked, terrorists didn't have weather-control machines.

tooki

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster

Would they risk lives to put out a fire like that if no one was left inside?

I would think they would just stand back if it was empty.

Hope everyone is ok.

I don't think they want all evidence to the cause to burn happily or have an explosion take out the busiest highway.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

It's Canada, notice how not one news story so far as even mentioned that. And our colour coded terror alert system hasn't changed either

SWF, a bunch of people just died.

You think maybe you could hold back the pettiness for a few?

[kmkkid]

Apparently it was caused by a lightning strike, which caused loss of power.

[Atomic Rooster]

A witness says there was fire on the runway. (gas leak)

[SimpleLife]

There were probably some survivors; at least 2 buses were sent to local hospitals after leaving the crash site...

[kmkkid]

some eyewitness says that he was talking to one of the stewardesses and "they think they got everyone off"


Good news

[andreas_g4]

Sad thing. In the live stream above someone claimed that a woman "thought" they got everyone out. Let's hope.

I never feel anything in such situations. I don't know why. I sure know what I am supposed to feel, but it's never authentic. Strange that is.

[Kerrigan]

newsflash: no one died

[FulcrumPilot]

Seems crew and pax may have all got out alive and kicking!!! I hope this is true!!

EDIT: cat 3 landing? wonder what happens when you go auto and a lightning strikes.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

some eyewitness says that he was talking to one of the stewardesses and "they think they got everyone off"


Good news

If this is true, very good news.

[SimpleLife]

Wow!

Marx said rescue workers got to the plane within about 40 or 50 seconds.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

Wow!

Marx said rescue workers got to the plane within about 40 or 50 seconds.

That have all these tunnels that go under the runways for emergencies vehicles and so forth. I don't know if that is standard practice. Perhaps that helped as they didn't have to wait for existing planes to move or land.

Toronto Airport is HUGE, a plane lands every 50 seconds 24/7.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

That have all these tunnels that go under the runways for emergencies vehicles and so forth. I don't know if that is standard practice. Perhaps that helped as they didn't have to wait for existing planes to move or land.

Toronto Airport is HUGE, a plane lands every 50 seconds 24/7.

Yes, I know; I lived in Toronto for 5 years and I still get there by plane often for business. I know the network ot strips is quite complex, but to get there in 50 seconds, I am still quite impressed.

Hopefully there will not be any fatal victims and probably because of the speed that everyone involved reacted; stewards/esses, passengers, rescue guys and all plus volunteers who took some of the passengers who reached the highway to bring them at the hospital.

Crazy; traffic is madness at this time in Toronto...

[FulcrumPilot]

Yup, 291 souls on board, all are ok it seems. Joy!

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by FulcrumPilot

Yup, 291 SOB, all are ok it seems. Joy!

Well what a relief...

I have one of my staff that came back 2 days ago from Europe... I am glad she did not have to go through all that.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by FulcrumPilot

Yup, 291 souls on board, all are ok it seems. Joy!

Yay!

[zizban]

14 people have minor injuries. No deaths.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

I think the general rule should be if you have a ditch at the end of a runway it should be filled with pillows.

[kmkkid]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

I think the general rule should be if you have a ditch at the end of a runway it should be filled with pillows.

Or put huge airbags/guard rails at the end.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by tooki

Last time I checked, terrorists didn't have weather-control machines.

tooki

fake news report!!!

OBL is reported checking eBay for weather-control machines. More news at 13:00!

YES, (SWF or any of you PC police awfulers) we are all happy no one died or was seriously hurt.

YAY!

Now we can joke about it.

[mojo2]

I'm watching it on MSNBC and it 'kills me' how everyone has a TV presence these days as though they are auditioning for a correspondant's position.



Let's listen for what badidea has to say about this Airbus aircraft. Also, I wonder what goes on at the manufacturer when one of their planes goes down.

[kmkkid]

Originally Posted by mojo2

Now we can joke about it.

uh.... no we can't

[Oneota]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

uh.... no we can't

Why not? No deaths, only minor injuries - seems to me the loss of property is the worst news of the day, and I've got no problems pointing and laughing at the misfortune of large corporations.

I don't know what they consider "minor injuries" but in my book that means no one's gonna be scarred for life by this.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by FulcrumPilot

Yup, 291 souls on board, all are ok it seems. Joy!

God must love France.
Uhm, wait. Make that Canada.

-t

[tooki]

Originally Posted by FulcrumPilot

Yup, 291 souls on board, all are ok it seems. Joy!

309. Not 291.

tooki

[kmkkid]

Originally Posted by Oneota

Why not? No deaths, only minor injuries - seems to me the loss of property is the worst news of the day, and I've got no problems pointing and laughing at the misfortune of large corporations.

I don't know what they consider "minor injuries" but in my book that means no one's gonna be scarred for life by this.

Oh really? Ever been on a plane wreck? I'm sure it's emotionally scarred quite a few.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by mojo2

Let's listen for what badidea has to say about this Airbus aircraft. Also, I wonder what goes on at the manufacturer when one of their planes goes down.

First crash EVER for an A340.

309 passengers. Ball of flame. Everyone lived. I'm impressed, and very relieved.

Those Airbus engineers got their emergency escape planning down right, methinks.

That, and luck, of course.

[Oneota]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Oh really? Ever been on a plane wreck? I'm sure it's emotionally scarred quite a few.

Perhaps - but still, some therapy should take care of that, and they're still breathing. That's the important thing.

[Kerrigan]

Also today, tens of thousands of people died from AIDS and starvation. But there is no spectacle in that, so nobody notices.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by analogika

First crash EVER for an A340.

309 passengers. Ball of flame. Everyone lived. I'm impressed, and very relieved.

Those Airbus engineers got their emergency escape planning down right, methinks.

That, and luck, of course.

Oh I am so relieved everyone survived!!

I hope everyone will recover fine and my prayers are with them. Damn, the first A340 crash. Good planes, good planes.

It was probably an A340-300

cheers and best wishes

W-Y

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Also today, tens of thousands of people died from AIDS and starvation. But there is no spectacle in that, so nobody notices.

The spectacle of a plane crash is captivating as much for what it might be as for what it is. How many of your relatives travel for a living? How many people do you know in that area of Toronto? How many people were waiting at the airport for that flight and have had to wait for news of what happened to whomever they were meeting?

That is not to discount all the people who died today from whatever cause, but this could easily be personal. Face it, in the West, we don't really understand starvation, and for most of us dying from AIDS is pretty remote too. That doesn't mean we don't believe in those things, just that it's harder to relate. And having been to places where starvation is not that far from the door, and having friends die from AIDS, I still have problems getting my head around those (and other) things.

But an air crash is something I can easily relate to-I've flown, I've supported aircraft maintenance, I have relatives that travel for a living, I've waited for late flights and wondered...It's all about perspective. This event was singular, particularly for such a singular lack of major injury, and that makes it very notable. And while we personally may not be able to do anything more about an airplane crashing than we can about Darfur, we at least can try to be involved with this.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by turtle777

God must love France.
Uhm, wait. Make that Canada.

-t

He sure does!

[ASIMO]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

My sister is on the roof to see if she can...smoke.

...

Last I heard up to 300 people are onboard and...on fire.

You canucks are weird beings.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by ASIMO

You canucks are weird beings.

Thank you

[FulcrumPilot]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Also today, tens of thousands of people died from AIDS and starvation. But there is no spectacle in that, so nobody notices.

You make it sound as though no one cares. Be informed that many thousands of people, organizations and many governments are working to get rid of both problems! What have you done lately to help others in need of help?

[FulcrumPilot]

Originally Posted by tooki

309. Not 291.

tooki

ah! the stowaways!

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by mojo2

I'm watching it on MSNBC and it 'kills me' how everyone has a TV presence these days as though they are auditioning for a correspondant's position.



Let's listen for what badidea has to say about this Airbus aircraft. Also, I wonder what goes on at the manufacturer when one of their planes goes down.

I think this is a normal reaction; some people just want to put the best of themselves out for everyone toi see; in this case, they will use models of news spokeperson to reproduce with waht they think is the most appropriate they can provide.

It also has a drawback for some people whom are into trauma, or shock, that they will fill in a need from the media for accurate and "star-like" behavior. They turn exploited and also psychologically exhausted from repeating a story on and on and on without resolving the issue of their own survival.

These people have stared in the eye of death and they still have to process that. Some of them will require a few weeks.

mojo2, you can laugh, but what you see is actually very sad. And I know you are not doing that to be mean. It's just that there is a lot going on you do not see.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Also today, tens of thousands of people died from AIDS and starvation. But there is no spectacle in that, so nobody notices.

True, and it is just as sad.

One looks more like fate, while the other can be blamed on some other cause. We thrive at looking for causes, although we fail always toim understand them; yet, when they are so instrumental as a plane crash, we want to know, while AIDS is supposedly someone's foolishness.

I understand your point and you are right; spectacles and panavision drama are making us appreciate life in strange ways at times. But these are usually initial reactions. Most people are actually reacting properly after being informed of the situation, whether somes one is dying of AIDS or from a plane crash.

Have Faith kerrigan; it is not so bad...