[meelk]

plus, it would be funny.

[budster101]

Yea, real funny... I think you need an adjustment. Smack yourself in the forehead. (hard)

[rickey939]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I get it.

[analogika]

thank you, meelk, for drawing attention to a serious problem.

My solution would be for you to go shoot yourself in the head - repeatedly.

[budster101]

analo: As brutal as usual, only I am leaning towards your answer more than mine... What a maroon.

[suvsr4terrorists]

He has a point. People like to pretend it isn't a problem because the official stance of whitey is we don't care what happens to brown people.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

He has a point. People like to pretend it isn't a problem because the official stance of whitey is we don't care what happens to brown people.

But aren't HIV-negative folks exactly the same way about HIV-positive folks?

[suvsr4terrorists]

Yes, pretty much...but considering how BAD aids is getting in Africa, something needs to be done. People bitch and moan about a measly 1800 american troops getting shot, when there are easily 100X that starving and dying of preventable diseases around the world.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Yes, pretty much...but considering how BAD aids is getting in Africa, something needs to be done.

Yeah. We need to stop helping them. Harsh, I know, but I don't think they're going to get the problem sorted if they somehow manage to keep blaming us.
At the moment it's "the west's fault for not supplying cheap AIDS drugs", instead of "it's our fault for not educating our people to keep their peckers in their pants in the first place".

I mean, there's a reason why I haven't got AIDS - I don't bump uglies with everything that moves. They need to get this message before the problem is going to go away.

[suvsr4terrorists]

All I know is that if this was with a white country like france or something, the entire world would be trying to help them with their problems.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

All I know is that if this was with a white country like france or something, the entire world would be trying to help them with their problems.

Thing is, we have tried to help them, for decades. We're helping them right now. It's not working.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Thing is, we have tried to help them, for decades. We're helping them right now. It's not working.

Any idea how much of the money that George Bush promised for AIDS relief has been spent? Only a tiny weeny bit - and it's all been spent on replicating, in the US, infrastructure that already existed through NGOs. Besides which, throwing money at the problem is not the way to help. Send doctors, send Halliburton to build some schools and hospitals.

Heck, forget about AIDS, what's being done about Tuberculosis and malaria? Not much and not enough. That's the answer. It's easier to sleep at night if you believe the politicians that tell you that Africa is a cess pool of corruption that can't be saved. I've been into the deep end of the cess pool and it's neither corrupt nor very difficult to help.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by meelk

Africa should change its name to AIDSfrica to draw more attention to the problem. plus, it would be funny.

Only in the MacNN lounge... :

-t

[budster101]

Define a "tiny weeny bit" for us here....

Why should I give a sh!t?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Troll

Any idea how much of the money that George Bush promised for AIDS relief has been spent?

No idea. Don't care. I'm not American.

Originally Posted by Troll

It's easier to sleep at night if you believe the politicians that tell you that Africa is a cess pool of corruption that can't be saved. I've been into the deep end of the cess pool and it's neither corrupt nor very difficult to help.

Hmmm... Given that I'm getting my info from African friends on account of my never believing anything that any politician says, I'll beg to differ.

[budster101]

Yeah, my friend in South Africa tells me a lot, and it it quite corrupt down there.... it's not the fault of the USA, ask any African. It's Africa's fault and problem....

[Troll]

Originally Posted by budster101

Yeah, my friend in South Africa tells me a lot, and it it quite corrupt down there.... it's not the fault of the USA, ask any African. It's Africa's fault and problem....

Everywhere is quite corrupt. You can look on the Transparency International website and see exactly how corrupt South Africa is. You will find quite a lot of countries that are more corrupt than South Africa that aren't on the African continent. And you probably won't be happy to see where either the UK or the USA places on the list. At least the South Africans do something about corruption (having jailed a top businessman and fired the Deputy President recently).

The UK bears a large amount of the responsibility for Africa's problems because of its racist, colonialist past. But it doesn't matter whose FAULT it is. If my neighbour sets his house on fire, I don't care that he's an idiot, I still help him get out of the burining house. That the rest of us can turn a blind eye to the suffering of people in Africa is a testament to our civilisation.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Troll

The UK bears a large amount of the responsibility for Africa's problems because of its racist, colonialist past.

Oh yeah. It's our fault that African blokes can't keep their peckers in their pants.

[budster101]

They aren't suffering the AIDS epidemic though like Africa... (USA & UK)
Fix their corruption which is draining them financially as a continent. They have the resources, but the corruption is diverting them or wasting them...

BS: UK Bears little responsibility. Don't pass that crap off as truth. The Africans are responsible for themselves and their current situation.... AIDS began in Africa for christ's sake.

[meelk]

I love how when other people have a problem they want America to throw money at it and promise this and promise that, then, the rest of the world will proceed to talk sh*t about us anyway. Honestly, I could give a flip about the rest of the world, if nothing we do is good enough, then to hell with you.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by budster101

Fix their corruption which is draining them financially as a continent.

How ? They are doing "it" to themselves.
One African country after another went down due to corruption as soon as the colonies were given over to self-government. Or look at Zimbabwe: a rich land until some indigenous group of tyranns thought they would outsmart anyone else.

-t

[budster101]

Right. Oh, it's ok to attack civilians (9/11) because we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasucki... but wait there' s more, we have to give money to every two-bit nation in the world because why? And they can b!tch and moan about how it's too little this, or it's the UK's problem and the USA / UK are corrupt....

Maybe we should close our borders. Stop all foreign aid, and fix our copious (corruption) problems in the USA first eh? F.U. rest of the world. Sounds good to me. Send the illegal aliens back to SOUTH MEXICO, and then raise wages for our own citizens.

Problem fixed.

[budster101]

This is me GIVING THE FINGER TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by meelk

I love how when other people have a problem they want America to throw money at it and promise this and promise that, then, the rest of the world will proceed to talk sh*t about us anyway. Honestly, I could give a flip about the rest of the world, if nothing we do is good enough, then to hell with you.

Right on.

The world wants the USA to not meddle in other people's affairs ? Well, let the Africans take care of themselves, or let some of the whiners help them. Wear a condom you dumbass Africans.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by budster101

Maybe we should close our borders. Stop all foreign aid, and fix our copious (corruption) problems in the USA first eh? F.U. rest of the world. Sounds good to me.

Sounds good to me too. Do attempt to remember that you have a friendly 51st state while you're at it though.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by budster101

Right. Oh, it's ok to attack civilians (9/11) because we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasucki... but wait there' s more, we have to give money to every two-bit nation in the world because why? And they can b!tch and moan about how it's too little this, or it's the UK's problem and the USA / UK are corrupt....

Maybe we should close our borders. Stop all foreign aid, and fix our copious (corruption) problems in the USA first eh? F.U. rest of the world. Sounds good to me. Send the illegal aliens back to SOUTH MEXICO, and then raise wages for our own citizens.

Problem fixed.

I'd agree if we were a self sufficient nation. But we aren't. We rely more and more and more on other nations to do everything for us, and something has to change. It can't keep on going like this.

[budster101]

Uhm. Sure. Why not.

[budster101]

Well, let's close the door and see what we can think up.... we did it in WWII... we can do it again. I think the USA is ready for this anyway.

[Zenbone]

But it doesn't matter whose FAULT it is. If my neighbour sets his house on fire, I don't care that he's an idiot, I still help him get out of the burining house. That the rest of us can turn a blind eye to the suffering of people in Africa is a testament to our civilisation.

It's that simple. Why complicate it?

BTW, the immediate problem in Africa is in Niger where "hunger and malnutrition threatens millions, inclding 800,000 children."

Of course in the long run all sorts of changes need to be made, but in the short term that doesn't help the people who are dying right now.

Maybe sacrifice the cost of a dinner to help out?

[meelk]

I think if we were to close our borders and start spending all the money we spend overseas here, we would accomplish a hell of a lot in no time.

[Atomic Rooster]

No one cares about Africa. True!

I'm sorry but I just don't get any feeling for that continent.

Maybe it's because of all the starving children that people breed with no thought to how they're going to feed them and how these children will suffer.

And all the despot leaders like Mugabe.

Bombard them with condoms with pictorial instructions.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Oh yeah. It's our fault that African blokes can't keep their peckers in their pants.

Do you keep your pecker in your pants. How often do you have sex and do you think your African counterparts have more or less sex than you do. Go and read the Durex survey. You may surprised to see the results.

The reasons why the impact of AIDS has been so disastrous in Africa has nothing to do with the frequency of their intercourse. It has to do with poor education, poor health care facilities and poor access to condoms. In many parts of Africa, England is directly responsible for those things.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Troll

In many parts of Africa, England is directly responsible for those things.

Maybe England needs some more bombs in their tubestations, that'll teach 'em.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Troll

Do you keep your pecker in your pants.

Yep. Unless she's really worth my time.

Originally Posted by Troll

In many parts of Africa, England is directly responsible for those things.

Yep, of course we are.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster

No one cares about Africa. True!

I'm sorry but I just don't get any feeling for that continent.

Maybe it's because of all the starving children that people breed with no thought to how they're going to feed them and how these children will suffer.

And all the despot leaders like Mugabe.

Bombard them with condoms with pictorial instructions.

The biggest problem Africa faces is ignorance. It's worst in America and I honestly think we could make a huge difference just by putting some facts in American's hands. Because I honestly believe that if Americans understood more about Africa, they'd be more prepared to help. I have met some absolutely amazing Americans doing work in Africa. One of them, Amy Biehl, paid the ultimate price.

Let me ask you this, did you ever stop to think how there could be a population explosion and not enough food at the same time? Where does the food come from that feeds the new people?

As for Mugabe, if you really looked into Zimbabwe's history, you'd see that when the English stopped raping the country of its natural resources, Rhodesia had quite a succesful period. For many years under Mugabe's leadership, Zimbabwe was the bread basket of Southern Africa. He's become a bad apple of late, but it's not as simple as some of you make out. It's not like he just came along and screwed it all up.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by PacHead

Maybe England needs some more bombs in their tubestations, that'll teach 'em.

Don't joke. I think this is a point that the rest of the world hasn't got yet. One of the London bombers was a refugee from Somalia. The failure of Somalia and the inability of the British system to absorb him contributed to his turning to terrorism. And as long as the rest of Africa has little hope, I think that there's a latent terrorist risk there. Helping Africa has long term security impacts that some people in the West are too dumb to see.

[kmkkid]

Yes HIV is indeed a funny matter Get a life. Or contract HIV and see yourself how funny it is. Your choice of course

[meelk]

I think "Jesus LOVES Gays" in your sig tells me why your point of view is what it is. And no, I think Jesus hates gays.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Troll

The failure of Somalia and the inability of the British system to absorb him contributed to his turning to terrorism.

The inability of the British system to absorb those lowlifes ? It is the hateful views of some of the immigrants which absolutely refuse to integrate themselves.

Those terrorist suicide bombers were on the dole, milking their naive, unsuspecting hosts for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

It seems as if the "British system" now knows what to do with these kind of vicious troublemakers and lowlifes, as they're going to start deporting them and/or jailing them. Good riddance to the scum.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Troll

Everywhere is quite corrupt. You can look on the Transparency International website and see exactly how corrupt South Africa is. You will find quite a lot of countries that are more corrupt than South Africa that aren't on the African continent. And you probably won't be happy to see where either the UK or the USA places on the list. At least the South Africans do something about corruption (having jailed a top businessman and fired the Deputy President recently).

Or the UN.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by meelk

And no, I think Jesus hates gays.

Yo, Jesus called me up on teh cell to inform me to inform you that what you said was WHACK!!

Man, Jesus has all the love for everyone homey.

Just chill. Ya know what i'm sayin.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Troll

For many years under Mugabe's leadership, Zimbabwe was the bread basket of Southern Africa. He's become a bad apple of late, but it's not as simple as some of you make out. It's not like he just came along and screwed it all up.

Well, a friend of mine lost his farm and everything he had. Fled with his wife and two little kids. Once they had kicked out all the whites that knew how to farm, they just let the farms grow wild. Unfortunately, they are too dumb to take advantage of their land. Just kickin' out the white man didn't help.

-t

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by PacHead

The inability of the British system to absorb those lowlifes ? It is the hateful views of some of the immigrants which absolutely refuse to integrate themselves.

It seems as if the "British system" now knows what to do with these kind of vicious troublemakers and lowlifes, as they're going to start deporting them and/or jailing them. Good riddance to the scum.

Straight up.

[budster101]

Send them all to Australia... It worked once before.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Well, a friend of mine lost his farm and everything he had. Fled with his wife and two little kids. Once they had kicked out all the whites that knew how to farm, they just let the farms grow wild. Unfortunately, they are too dumb to take advantage of their land. Just kickin' out the white man didn't help.

-t

What I said is that it's not as easy as black man come and screw everything up. Zimbabwe was quite a succesful country for a large part of Mugabe's reign. He started to lose support though and figured the problem and the solution were related to blacks not owning the means of production in Zimbabwe. In a country where blacks died fighting a war to end white, British domination, having 90% of the arable land owned by 2% of the population (whites) does tend to make people a little angry.

I agree that Mugabe has become a tyrant and that he's made huge mistakes. I think that land reform was needed in Zimbabwe but there should have been compensation for the farmers whose properties were nationalised and the redistribution should have been coordinated with an education programme to make sure that the land remained productive in the hands of the new owners. I agree that his population is suffering for his mistakes now. Zimbabweans mostly know that. However, Zimbabwe's situation is not as simple as the propagandists would have you believe and even without Mugabe at the helm, Zimbabwe would face some pretty difficult problems.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by PacHead

The inability of the British system to absorb those lowlifes ? It is the hateful views of some of the immigrants which absolutely refuse to integrate themselves.

Those terrorist suicide bombers were on the dole, milking their naive, unsuspecting hosts for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

It seems as if the "British system" now knows what to do with these kind of vicious troublemakers and lowlifes, as they're going to start deporting them and/or jailing them. Good riddance to the scum.

Yeah, yeah, keep repeating the mantra that "They hate our freedom." Fact is, as long as you maintain a gulf between rich and poor, there will be people that hate your freedom. Personally, I don't believe that this guy was born with some evil streak in him. I don't believe that however many people were involved in this plot just happened to all be born evil and just happened to all find each other in London. I believe that extremism only appeals to people once they find resonance in the message of extremism. As long as there's a massive gulf between rich and poor, extremists will have an audience and the downtrodden will have a scapegoat. All I'm saying is that aid money for Africa could validly come out the defence budget because you'd be nipping a potential terrorist threat in the bud. Look at any society where there's a gap between rich and poor. Go to downtown LA. These are violent places. On a global scale, you're asking for trouble by allowing the gulf to persist.

[Buckaroo]

I want to say something funny here, but I don't want it to be missinterputed.

When we say Africa, that is the English pronouciation of the name. I am sure that the Africans have a different way to say the name of the Continient. I'm sure it dosen't sound anything like Africa.

Help me out, who knows how Africans pronounce Africa in the different dielects.

Please forgive all the misspellings.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

I want to say something funny here, but I don't want it to be missinterputed.

When we say Africa, that is the English pronouciation of the name. I am sure that the Africans have a different way to say the name of the Continient. I'm sure it dosen't sound anything like Africa.

Help me out, who knows how Africans pronounce Africa in the different dielects.

Please forgive all the misspellings.

It's pronounced Africa (or ah fri ka) in every African language I know ... not that I know many.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Troll

Yeah, yeah, keep repeating the mantra that "They hate our freedom." Fact is, as long as you maintain a gulf between rich and poor, there will be people that hate your freedom. Personally, I don't believe that this guy was born with some evil streak in him. I don't believe that however many people were involved in this plot just happened to all be born evil and just happened to all find each other in London. I believe that extremism only appeals to people once they find resonance in the message of extremism. As long as there's a massive gulf between rich and poor, extremists will have an audience and the downtrodden will have a scapegoat. All I'm saying is that aid money for Africa could validly come out the defence budget because you'd be nipping a potential terrorist threat in the bud. Look at any society where there's a gap between rich and poor. Go to downtown LA. These are violent places. On a global scale, you're asking for trouble by allowing the gulf to persist.

What a huge load of crap.

So muslim terrorism is all about the huge gap between the rich and the poor heh ?

One of the terrorist, suicidebombing scumbags in London had just received a brand new red mercedes as a gift from his father. Yep, those poor bastards, I really feel for them. They blow people up because they are sick, brainwashed fanatics which are carrying out what they feel is their true religion. It has nothing to do with being poor. They are just evil scum, simple as that.