[budster101]

If you need to rant. Do it here. Let's keep the other thread clear of nonsense that has to be edited out. If you feel you have to vent, fine.

I have received and replied in kind to some vitrolic PMs at the mention of the word God in another thread. Let's get it all off of our chests here. If that is ok with the moderators.

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I'll be happy to begin. I'm so pissed off, it isn't even funny. I don't like anyone trying to shut me down when I'm offering something of myself. It was meant more for the family surviving than anyone who is a militant in your face atheist without any class. So I believe in God. Who is that hurting? Others have offered their "prayers" without any mention, but I mention the word God in a sentence and am decked.

If you can offer me a reason why I may have done something wrong, give it! or STFU.

[turtle777]

-t

[RAILhead]

[budster101]

The Four Noble Truths

1. Life means suffering. (life is suffering)

2. The origin of suffering is attachment. (material items interfere with life)

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable. (you can stop suffering)

4. The path to the cessation of suffering. (the eightfold path allows you to end suffering)

- Buddha

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~cswoon/noble.html

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The tribute thread is here, so this one can be too no?

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

What in the name of God is this thread about?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

What in the name of God is this thread about?

Well, for once, it's not about gays, so your presence is not required

-t

[suvsr4terrorists]

Basically, I'm annoyed when people mention god because of history. Many many intelligent people were tortured and killed for disagreeing with said 'religious folk', from things as varied as astronomy, science, medicine, etc. It just irritates me to think of where we'd be today if religious people hadn't felt high and might enough to kill people who disagreed with them, or thinking about religion in a rational logical manner.

That said, I don't get into arguments much anymore. It's pointless. Stupid people will believe in whatever religion they were raised in. And more intelligent people won't. It's generally that simple.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Well, for once, it's not about gays, so your presence is not required

-t

[Chuckit]

What thread are you talking about budster?

[Salty]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Basically, I'm annoyed when people mention god because of history. Many many intelligent people were tortured and killed for disagreeing with said 'religious folk', from things as varied as astronomy, science, medicine, etc. It just irritates me to think of where we'd be today if religious people hadn't felt high and might enough to kill people who disagreed with them, or thinking about religion in a rational logical manner.

That said, I don't get into arguments much anymore. It's pointless. Stupid people will believe in whatever religion they were raised in. And more intelligent people won't. It's generally that simple.

Do you also object to genetics? Since misinformation and people's own agendas were used in conjunction with genetics to bring about the idea of the Aryan race which was an excuse used to kill a whole lot of Jews and other people? Do you get pissed off at the mention of Trade? Since in revenge for the world trade centre the middle east is somewhat lit up like a roman candle these days. How bout America? Because of America you've had lots of wars, and you've had ideas like Manafestdestiny which was responsible for the deaths of a whole lot of Native peoples?
News flash, you don't hate the idea of God because "religious folk" did stupid things. You hate Christians and their God because it's easy to get away with with your friends.

[deomacius]

Originally Posted by Salty

News flash, you don't hate the idea of God because "religious folk" did stupid things. You hate Christians and their God because it's easy to get away with with your friends.

*Bolded for emphasis.

[chris v]

Originally Posted by Salty

Do you also object to genetics? Since misinformation and people's own agendas were used in conjunction with genetics to bring about the idea of the Aryan race which was an excuse used to kill a whole lot of Jews and other people? Do you get pissed off at the mention of Trade? Since in revenge for the world trade centre the middle east is somewhat lit up like a roman candle these days. How bout America? Because of America you've had lots of wars, and you've had ideas like Manafestdestiny which was responsible for the deaths of a whole lot of Native peoples?
News flash, you don't hate the idea of God because "religious folk" did stupid things. You hate Christians and their God because it's easy to get away with with your friends.

Oh, boy, here comes page five, like a freight train.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by chris v

Oh, boy, here comes page five, like a freight train.

Warning. Derailment ahead.

IBCR.

-t

[Tyler McAdams]

Religon is great until it becomes a convenient excuse or it's used to get together for ulterior motives... which is about 99% of America. Was it spoon feed to you? To you keep yelling it at the top of your voice? Then I hold that it's complete ********. I live off the empirical. I don't have time to play games nor do I have time to get in to arguments with stubborn people who know only what they are told.

[Chuckit]

How can a thread with a title like "Religion / Atheist / Suicide/ etc." get derailed?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

How can a thread with a title like "Religion / Atheist / Suicide/ etc." get derailed?

Someone could bring gays into play

-t

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Salty

Do you also object to genetics? Since misinformation and people's own agendas were used in conjunction with genetics to bring about the idea of the Aryan race which was an excuse used to kill a whole lot of Jews and other people? Do you get pissed off at the mention of Trade? Since in revenge for the world trade centre the middle east is somewhat lit up like a roman candle these days. How bout America? Because of America you've had lots of wars, and you've had ideas like Manafestdestiny which was responsible for the deaths of a whole lot of Native peoples?
News flash, you don't hate the idea of God because "religious folk" did stupid things. You hate Christians and their God because it's easy to get away with with your friends.

You're making mountains out of molehills. The piles of carcases created based on 'believing' in a higher power or a different higher power dwarfs what hitler and terrorist have done. The fact you view them as similar shows how warped your own viewpoint is.

News flash: I hate christians most because that's what I'm exposed to most. If I lived in another country I'd probably be more annoyed with other religious people.

[boots]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

What thread are you talking about budster?

He's moving his commentary from the Zigzag thread because people were raggin' on him. Seems kinda late for that, though, since it's already been "tainted" several times.

*Respect* for moving it elsewhere, however. Thank you.

[sknapp351]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

You're making mountains out of molehills. The piles of carcases created based on 'believing' in a higher power or a different higher power dwarfs what hitler and terrorist have done. The fact you view them as similar shows how warped your own viewpoint is.

News flash: I hate christians most because that's what I'm exposed to most. If I lived in another country I'd probably be more annoyed with other religious people.

It is this same type of blinding hate of differing opinions that led to many of the atrocities that have been commited in the name of religion. I myself have my faith, and that is a major force in my life. But, I also have many issues with much of organized religion.
Sam

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by boots

He's moving his commentary from the Zigzag thread because people were raggin' on him. Seems kinda late for that, though, since it's already been "tainted" several times.

*Respect* for moving it elsewhere, however. Thank you.

Oh. It is kind of rude to piss on someone's beliefs in their own memorial thread.

Much like if you died, you wouldn't see me going, "And now budster is 'sitting with God' — yeah, right, if God is a worm!" Whether or not you meant it that way, surely you can see how it came across as "Haha, he was wrong!"

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by budster101

If you need to rant. Do it here. Let's keep the other thread clear of nonsense that has to be edited out. If you feel you have to vent, fine.

I have received and replied in kind to some vitrolic PMs at the mention of the word God in another thread. Let's get it all off of our chests here. If that is ok with the moderators.

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I'll be happy to begin. I'm so pissed off, it isn't even funny. I don't like anyone trying to shut me down when I'm offering something of myself. It was meant more for the family surviving than anyone who is a militant in your face atheist without any class. So I believe in God. Who is that hurting? Others have offered their "prayers" without any mention, but I mention the word God in a sentence and am decked.

If you can offer me a reason why I may have done something wrong, give it! or STFU.

I think it is great and generous to share your thoughts and sympathies genuinely the way you feel best as long as you do not try to convert.

You are a sensitive person and it is a good thing to care.
Keep it up.

[pyramids]

Originally Posted by sknapp351

It is this same type of blinding hate of differing opinions that led to many of the atrocities that have been commited in the name of religion. I myself have my faith, and that is a major force in my life. But, I also have many issues with much of organized religion.
Sam

[el chupacabra]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

You're making mountains out of molehills. The piles of carcases created based on 'believing' in a higher power or a different higher power dwarfs what hitler and terrorist have done. The fact you view them as similar shows how warped your own viewpoint is.

News flash: I hate christians most because that's what I'm exposed to most. If I lived in another country I'd probably be more annoyed with other religious people.

Blaming the worlds violence on the belief in god is very shallow. People have always been inherently evil throughout history. They fight over power, land and idealism, all of which is evil according to the bible. When they needed support for this it is easiest to use a mainstream religion as an excuse; for something they were going to do anyway. By nature people like to associate themselves with large groups, clubs, fraternities, and secret societies. They can then associate the clubs power with themselves. These are the reasons for the violence you speak of.

If you have a problem with belief systems maybe you should read the bible before you blast it, since it does not condone violence. Don’t decide to hate some religion because of some religious war, don’t decide a belief is evil because some evangelists you knew that annoyed you one time. Salty and budster aren’t those evangelists and I’m sure they don’t mean to kill you over their religion.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by el chupacabra

Blaming the worlds violence on the belief in god is very shallow. People have always been inherently evil throughout history.

Says the bible. I believe that people are good inside, not worthless or evil.

They fight over power, land and idealism, all of which is evil according to the bible.

Fighting over power or land hasn't come close to the millions of people killed in the name of god.

If you want to believe the bible is a great book that's anti violence and genocide, you keep right on believing that.

Exodus:

32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

[suvsr4terrorists]

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Thousands of women were killed because of that verse.

[Chuckit]

I'd say most of the people killed in the name of God also fall under the category of "fighting over power" (most of the Catholics' killings) or "fighting over land" (the Middle East).

[suvsr4terrorists]

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Cute. Genocide!

[suvsr4terrorists]

Think of it this way: Religious country: Middle east. Been fighting and killing each other forever. Hate each other.

America: A country that ATTEMPTS to keep religion out of it's government: We've had a few scuffles, but nothing like the middle east's constant warfare.

[Tyler McAdams]

[QUOTE=Chuckit]How can a thread with a title like "Religion / Atheist / Suicide/ etc." get derailed?[/QUOTE

heh heh heh you said rail....

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

News flash: I hate christians most because that's what I'm exposed to most.

Sure, christians are mildly annoying but now we've got exploding muslims vying for our attention too.

And just wait 'til those ****ers start door-knocking.

*knock knock*

KABOOM!

Oh, you'll be praying it's the christians knocking then.


BTW I have solved the problem of terrorism. I've noticed a pattern, and that is that a) all terrorists are ugly bastards, and b) you don't see Ricky Martin blowing himself up.

So the solution is... extreme makeovers.

If those ugly terrorist gits could get virgins down here, they wouldn't be in such a rush to get to heaven. A bit of surgery, contacts and a hair-do, and voila! Mad Mohammed is now Mo, a Gemini who likes scuba diving.

Bring home the troops.

Send in the stylists.

You know it makes sense.

[Chuckit]

Okay, that's how you derail this thread.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Face Ache

You know it makes sense.

Face Ache as World President!

Maybe later, we can vote for you as Miss Universe!

[Salty]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Think of it this way: Religious country: Middle east. Been fighting and killing each other forever. Hate each other.

America: A country that ATTEMPTS to keep religion out of it's government: We've had a few scuffles, but nothing like the middle east's constant warfare.

So in other words... you're an ignorant bigot... glad we've got that out of the way...

[suvsr4terrorists]

Originally Posted by Salty

So in other words... you're an ignorant bigot... glad we've got that out of the way...

Generalizations do not make one a bigot. Refusing to accept generalizations when they aren't in your favor make you an idiot though.

[Chuckit]

Oh, boy.

IBL (hi, Athens!)

[Kerrigan]

I'm very sceptical about religion, but I am equally sceptical about the benefits of a secular society based on science.

The world ruled by religious fundamentalists= a world of holy wars, plagues, and blind obedience

The world ruled by religious moderates or non-believers = a world of oil wars, aids, crime, depression, and materialism.

There is basically no difference, and you would be naive to think otherwise.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Fighting over power or land hasn't come close to the millions of people killed in the name of god.

Rob, most of it was DONE because of power and land. Not because religion.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by suvsr4terrorists

Refusing to accept generalizations when they aren't in your favor make you an idiot though.

So that would make you an idiot?

[lurkalot]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Oh. It is kind of rude to piss on someone's beliefs in their own memorial thread.

Much like if you died, you wouldn't see me going, "And now budster is 'sitting with God' — yeah, right, if God is a worm!" Whether or not you meant it that way, surely you can see how it came across as "Haha, he was wrong!"

That about sums it up. (... and so politely put), Chuckit. Glad at least one other person saw how those comments by Budster in Zigzag's commemoration thread can be interpreted and wrote down this interpretation for him to ponder. I found his comments not funny and insensitive.
Subtle hints went over his head and blunt force was both counterproductive and given the circumstances also inappropriate.

[Kevin]

I think people are being too knee-jerky and thin skinned.

Something zig-zag probably wouldn't have liked either. But hey, that is just MHO.

[Kerrigan]

cut

[Atomic Rooster]

The End!

[amsalpemkcus]

If you overesteem great men,
people become powerless.
If you overvalue possessions,
people begin to steal.

The Master leads
by emptying people's minds
and filling their cores,
by weakening their ambition
and toughening their resolve.
He helps people lose everything
they know, everything they desire,
and creates confusion
in those who think that they know.

Practice not-doing,
and everything will fall into place.

Tao Te Ching
by Lao-tzu (abt.551-479 BCE) ]

[AKcrab]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Rob, most of it was DONE because of power and land. Not because religion.

Is religion not power?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AKcrab

Is religion not power?

Depends on the "power" you are talking about.

The most powerful religious man I know to have walked the earth IMHO had no real secular power on earth.

Give to Caesar what is Caesars.

[AKcrab]

You're beating around the bush. I'll answer my own question.

"2 a : possession of control, authority, or influence over others"

Religion is power, and you stated that POWER and LAND were reasons for massive killings throughout history.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AKcrab

You're beating around the bush.

No, not really. I answered as honestly as I could.

I don't think religion was meant to be used to gain worldly power. But spiritual power.

I think man uses anything he can to get worldly power. Regardless of it's consequences.

Religion is power, and you stated that POWER and LAND were reasons for massive killings throughout history.

What I am saying is. Religion cannot do these things. Esp when it doesn't teach it.

However, man with an agenda can use anything including religion to get what he wants.

[Kerrigan]

Religion is power but so is any other organisation.

The way I see it, humans are all naturally treacherous, and religion is designed to keep people in order and allow them to survive. Obviously this power is abused all the time, but this is part of human nature. Throughout history, the most abusive groups of people had no religious beliefs or motives. Take for instance Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, and Castro: these names are all synonymous with brutality, whose combined death tolls reach upwards of one hundred million, and they all operated under the banner of secularism.

My point is that there is no point in arguing over whether religion prevails over science in human history, because they are both just as bad.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Religion is power but so is any other organisation.

The way I see it, humans are all naturally treacherous, and religion is designed to keep people in order and allow them to survive. Obviously this power is abused all the time, but this is part of human nature.

That too is my belief as well. But people don't want to put fault on human nature. Because that would mean they too are able to do such things. Those not religious would rather blame religion and act as if they are above it.

None of us are.

[budster101]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Oh. It is kind of rude to piss on someone's beliefs in their own memorial thread.

Much like if you died, you wouldn't see me going, "And now budster is 'sitting with God' — yeah, right, if God is a worm!" Whether or not you meant it that way, surely you can see how it came across as "Haha, he was wrong!"

I didn't piss on anything you fscukwhit. Read ThinkInsane's comment in that thread. Can you say the same thing?

I said "IF" there were a God,

If I were being strictly religious in the sense of Catholicism, then I would say he is in HELL for committing suicide. I don't believe this, and as I stated, I'm more of a Buddhist, so my words are more intending to be read by his surviving family, who may not be atheists. I'm sure zigzag would have had a nice comeback for it, and I can appreciate that, as I'm sure his family could.

I would never want to come across as "Ha-ha" he was wrong. That's just mean and I liked him.
Only people with a twisted and cruel mind could take it that way. Like JERKALOT, and yourself for instance...

I created this thread for people to rant and rave so that the other thread could remain clear of this. Scott is going to delete parts that he considers not appropriate, but let's make his job a little easier by not cluttering it up.

If you read my posts in the thread you could not come away with anything except that I respected the man, and this bullsh!t is just you other people making it personal with me....

If ThinkInsane saying "My prayers are with you" isn't bad, then my post cannot really offend then...