[starman]

So, I just went to get breakfast. The woman next to me gets an egg on a bagel with cheese. When it's done the guy says "bacon?". The woman says "oh, no, I'm a vegetarian. Bacon scares me".

I'm thinking to myself - if you're a VEGETARIAN, why are you eating eggs? Last I checked, eggs weren't a vegetable.

Mike

[Cipher13]

Those that don't eat any animal based products (milk, eggs, etc) consider themselves "vegan"... or something like that.

They're all hypocrites. Stop wearing clothes, using tyres, burning candles, and remove yourself from evolutionary history and then you can talk. Not that I care, but eh.

I do know some vegetarians that don't eat meat because they don't like it, though, and that's perfectly fine by me.

[ort888]

The eggs we eat are never going to become chickens because they haven't been fertilized. Eating eggs is a little counter productive though. If you are a vegetarian for health reasons, eggs are pretty bad for you... if you are a vegetarian for ethical reasons, then you need to remember that the chickens in the egg factories suffer just as much as the ones who become nuggets. The only real answer is to go vegan, but that's a level of commitment not many people are ready to take.

All that said, I'll eat anything. Bring me a steak with 5 fried eggs on it. YUM!

[PB2K]

stupid vegetarians ! and vegans are extra stupid !

[ReggieX]

Eggs aren't bad for you.

Originally Posted by starman

So, I just went to get breakfast. The woman next to me gets an egg on a bagel with cheese. When it's done the guy says "bacon?". The woman says "oh, no, I'm a vegetarian. Bacon scares me".

I'm thinking to myself - if you're a VEGETARIAN, why are you eating eggs? Last I checked, eggs weren't a vegetable.

Bacon scares her? Sounds like she's an idiot, not a vegetarian.

Most people who call themselves "vegetarian" really only mean that they don't eat red meat, in which case they're simply morons or trying to be fashionable.

Much as I hate most black/white divides, I gotta stand on this one: you're either an omnivore or a vegan, take your pick. Calling yourself a "vegetarian" while eating an egg & cheese bagel is beyond ridiculous.

[macroy]

ort hit the nail on the head - these folks have different reasons for being vegan or vegetarian. And while I do agree that many who base it on ethics do contradict themselves, that lady in the example may simply hate bacon (or pork products).

I really don't care what they like or don't like... as long as they don't preach to me about my desires (and most I know do not)...

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by starman

I'm thinking to myself - if you're a VEGETARIAN, why are you eating eggs? Last I checked, eggs weren't a vegetable.

Neither are apples.

Dairy is perfectly acceptable for vegetarians (but we have to check cheese production methods to ensure there's no rennet used).

But it's true that a lot of "vegetarians" are "fashion vegetarians". As a perfect example of this, my local veggie restaurant serves fish.

Originally Posted by Cipher13

They're all hypocrites. Stop wearing clothes, using tyres, burning candles

The point of being vegetarian is that you don't eat animal-derived products. If you didn't use animal-derived products you'd be vegan. Now, I don't know what you convicts down there get up to at your barbies but here in civilisation we don't actually eat tyres.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ReggieX

Much as I hate most black/white divides, I gotta stand on this one: you're either an omnivore or a vegan, take your pick. Calling yourself a "vegetarian" while eating an egg & cheese bagel is beyond ridiculous.

Oh dear. Go educate yourself.

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/definitions.html

[Cipher13]

The point of being vegetarian is that you don't eat animal-derived products. If you didn't use animal-derived products you'd be vegan. Now, I don't know what you convicts down there get up to at your barbies but here in civilisation we don't actually eat tyres.

I was talking about vegans, apologies that I didn't make that clear... it was a run-on thought.

But either way, depending on the reasons for being a vegetarian, it can still be hypocritical. Why should it be limited to eating meat? If you use it as a pillow, the effect is still the same. This extends to why just meat? Why is it not okay to eat meat, for example, but okay to use car tyres?

Perhaps you should educate yourself.

[Warung]

Okay, dipsh1ts, this is really easy:

"Vegetarian": Don't eat meat, fish, poultry, bugs or anything else "animal". So excluded are eggs, milk, cheese etc. (Some people call this ovo-lacto vegetarianism, but really, there is no distinction here)

WAKE UP CALL: If you eat fish, chicken or some kind of exotic meat like crocodile you are NOT a Vegetarian.

"Vegan": Don't eat or USE any animal related products like leather, milk etc.

[Warung]

Originally Posted by Cipher13

But either way, depending on the reasons for being a vegetarian, it can still be hypocritical. Why should it be limited to eating meat? If you use it as a pillow, the effect is still the same.

No it's not.

a) You don't change your pillow every day.

b) One of the biggest qualms a lot of Vegetarians, like myself, have with the concept of consuming meat is factory farming. Things like over-fishing etc. aren't the coolest thing since sliced bread either.

[Kevin]

I don't eat vegatables because I respect animals. I eat vegatables because I REALLY REALLY HATE PLANTS.

/me pulls a buch of weeds in anger.

[Cubeoid]

One day the vegetables will get thieir bloody revenge! ... wait..

[effgee]

Originally Posted by Warung

Okay, dipsh1ts, ...

Need help untangling those panties? (figure of speech, not to be taken literally - don't you dare show up at my doorstep and ask for help with your undies)



Btw, Emeril's had it right all along - pork fat does rule!!1!!!

[RAILhead]

Truer words have I never heard spoken...

[Cubeoid]

Also, cheese should be a vegetable because it rawks. Much like the Rawker.. He was great.. the dude who made the site is pretty funny also. Also..heh

[effgee]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

[img]**imgsnip**[/img] Truer words have I never heard spoken...

Isn't that a moose? They taste any good? Comparable with what? Deer? In that case ... yu-umm!!

[Cipher13]

Originally Posted by Warung

No it's not.

a) You don't change your pillow every day.

b) One of the biggest qualms a lot of Vegetarians, like myself, have with the concept of consuming meat is factory farming. Things like over-fishing etc. aren't the coolest thing since sliced bread either.

A) Assume you do.

B) I understand that, but do you realise the same animals that go into hamburgers go into softdrink bottles?

[Warung]

Originally Posted by effgee

Need help untangling those panties?

*ouch*

No, really, I've heard this kind of crap too many times over the last 5 years, and I can't believe people are still playing the same old broken record.

It's not that hard of a concept to grasp, and if you still feel like eating meat, - enjoy your dead animal carcass filet. Bon appetit!

[Warung]

Originally Posted by Cipher13

B) I understand that, but do you realise the same animals that go into hamburgers go into softdrink bottles?

I thought this was an internet hoax?



Nooooooooooooooo

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Cipher13

But either way, depending on the reasons for being a vegetarian, it can still be hypocritical.

This is true.

Originally Posted by Cipher13

Why should it be limited to eating meat? If you use it as a pillow, the effect is still the same. This extends to why just meat? Why is it not okay to eat meat, for example, but okay to use car tyres?

Perhaps you should educate yourself.

All the ethical reasons aside, there's certain health benefits from not eating meat. But don't take my word for it - stop eating meat/fish right now and see how you feel in two months' time.

Do it - educate yourself.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by effgee

Isn't that a moose? They taste any good? Comparable with what? Deer? In that case ... yu-umm!!

Yes, the moose I've eaten tastes a lot like deer...like a good pice of backstrap.

I've also eaten reindeer, but it wasn't juicy/fatty enough for me.

[effgee]

Originally Posted by Warung

... No, really, I've heard this kind of crap too many times over the last 5 years, and I can't believe people are still playing the same old broken record. ...

Personally, I couldn't care less what folks (do or don't) like to eat. Whatever gets your boat floatin' is fine by me.




Self-defense ...



(I love that campaign - anyone have a decent photo of the billboard with the cows standing up and writing "eat mor chikin" on the billboard?)

[badidea]

vegan <-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> nothing but dead meat

On which side are you?
Left or right?
With me or against me?
(there is no in between!!!!!!!!!!)

[effgee]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Yes, the moose I've eaten tastes a lot like deer...like a good pice of backstrap. ...

Yummie! Gotta try that someday ...

[skalie]

I was vegetarian for 10 years or so, combination of eating loads of really really tasty meat in New Zealand then returning to Europe in the middle of Mad Cow, Swine Flu, I forget what the chickens were affected with, to notice that the euro-meat just didn't taste very nice.

I did not however draw the line at fish, so theoretically I would have tucked in to a dolphin steak quite readily.

[von Wrangell]

Originally Posted by Doofy

All the ethical reasons aside, there's certain health benefits from not eating meat. But don't take my word for it - stop eating meat/fish right now and see how you feel in two months' time.

Do it - educate yourself.

Ever heard of something called the placebo effect?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by von Wrangell

Ever heard of something called the placebo effect?

Yep.

Your point?

[ort888]

You might call vegetarians hypocrites, and it's true to a point... but we are all hypocrites. At least they are doing something. The meat industry is hurting the planet and animals are suffering. These are facts. It's ridiculous to assume that if someone is a vegetarian yet doesn't go live on an eco-friendly farm eating soybean paste and planting trees all day that they are a hypocrite.

At least they are doing something. I applaud vegetarians. They can do what they want. The meat industry is hurting the planet and animals are suffering. These are facts. Some people decided to do something about it. It only becomes annoying when people get preachy about it.

[RAILhead]

[RAILhead]

[RAILhead]

1. Chuck
2. Flanken Ribs
3. Rib
4. Back Ribs
5. Short Loin
6. Porterhouse
7. Tenderloin
8. Sirloin
9. Round
10. Rump Roast
11. Round Steak
12. Hind Steak
13. Flank
14. Flank Steak Rolls
15. Short Plate
16. Brisket
17. Fore Shank

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ort888

The meat industry is hurting the planet and animals are suffering... ...It only becomes annoying when people get preachy about it.

And on that point, anyone who hasn't clicked on my sig pic will be treated to a "fun" movie. It's linked from the pic rather than text underneath so as to be subtle enough to not be preachy.

[scaught]

so. did we actually come to the conclusion that if someone will "vegetarian leanings" isn't willing to off themselves [in some way which wouldnt infringe on the life of an animal] (because lets face it, we could carry this "hypocrite" thing to that conclusion), that they shouldn't do ANYTHING at all?

and does that make any sense?

yes railhead. youre a meat eater. we're very proud of you and your image linking skills.

[ReggieX]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Oh dear. Go educate yourself.
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/definitions.html

I already know those definitions, I didn't need to "educate" myself.

I'll say it again: if you still eat fish, eggs and dairy, why call oneself a "vegetarian" ?! Just say you don't eat meat and be done with it.

Macrobiotic. A diet followed for spiritual and philosophical reasons. Aims to maintain a balance between foods seen as ying (positive) or yang (negative). The diet progresses through ten levels, becoming increasingly restrictive. Not all levels are vegetarian, though each level gradually eliminates animal products. The highest levels eliminate fruit and vegetables, eventually reaching the level of a brown rice diet.

Sounds very healthful.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ReggieX

I already know those definitions, I didn't need to "educate" myself.

I'll say it again: if you still eat fish, eggs and dairy, why call oneself a "vegetarian" ?! Just say you don't eat meat and be done with it.

There's different classes of vegetarian, as pointed out on the link I gave you. Beyond that, I don't know, I didn't invent the term.

[Kevin]

Macrobiotic. A diet followed for spiritual and philosophical reasons. Aims to maintain a balance between foods seen as ying (positive) or yang (negative). The diet progresses through ten levels, becoming increasingly restrictive. Not all levels are vegetarian, though each level gradually eliminates animal products. The highest levels eliminate fruit and vegetables, eventually reaching the level of a brown rice diet.

Why eliminate fruits and vegatables?

And what about the OTHER animals on this planet that eat meat. Will the plan work on them too? I imagine a tiger would eventually dig some brown rice.

Originally Posted by Doofy

There's different classes of vegetarian

What color of vegetarian belt do you have?

How much are the membership fees?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Why eliminate fruits and vegatables?

Because they're nuts, basically.

Originally Posted by Kevin

And what about the OTHER animals on this planet that eat meat.

You of all people should know not to compare human behaviour with animal behaviour.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Starman word of the month is Hypocrite and he loves to brand people with it. He has as much of an understanding of the word as Alanis does of ironic.

[Millennium]

There are many different kinds of vegetarians. For example, there are lacto-vegetarians, who drink milk (and sometimes eat honey); they will use products made by animals which do not kill them. There are also ovo-lacto-vegetarians, who do the above but also eat eggs. There are also some vegetarians who will eat fish, but not any other kind of meat.

Vegetarians who do not eat any animal products at all are called vegan. Those who go beyond eating and refuse to even use animal products are called strict vegan. It's actually possible to go even more hardcore than this, and eat only foods which do not kill the organism from which they're taken. People who do this are called fruitarian; the most famous group of fruitarians is the religion of Jainism. A few of these go so hardcore that they refuse to eat at all; they starve to death, of course, but among Jainists this is considered a very sacred and honorable way to die.

Then there's breathairianism, whose followers claim to be able to breathe air as their sole source of food. Most people consider this a hoax, and frankly so do I.

[starman]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

Starman word of the month is Hypocrite and he loves to brand people with it. He has as much of an understanding of the word as Alanis does of ironic.

You're just bitter because I exposed you for the HYPOCRITE you really are.

[skalie]

...... then there's those that only eat things that have fallen from the tree, as in "I'm hungry, hope that an apple falls off that tree soon"

Can't remember what they are called, but I can think of a few apt descriptions.

( "raving fooking lunatics" for example )

[von Wrangell]

Originally Posted by ort888

At least they are doing something. I applaud vegetarians. They can do what they want. The meat industry is hurting the planet and animals are suffering. These are facts. Some people decided to do something about it. It only becomes annoying when people get preachy about it.

Don't generalise like that. Certain kinds of the way meat is "produced" hurts the nature. Not every single meat industry does.

[ort888]

As a whole, the meat industry is hurting the planet. If you go into the woods and shoot a deer and eat it, you are not hurting the planet. But raising millions of cows in a factory and feeding them tons and tons of grains is hurting the planet. The meat industry is very wasteful. Those animals eat way more food then they produce and it causes a lot of problems.

[von Wrangell]

Originally Posted by ort888

As a whole, the meat industry is hurting the planet. If you go into the woods and shoot a deer and eat it, you are not hurting the planet. But raising millions of cows in a factory and feeding them tons and tons of grains is hurting the planet. The meat industry is very wasteful. Those animals eat way more food then they produce and it causes a lot of problems.

I don't know if you could say "as a whole". Not every country has the factory farming you are talking about. There are a few Western countries that don't and the majority of nations don't have that system.

But I agree with you that factory farming needs to go. I would never want to eat anything "produced" under those conditions.

[skalie]

be warned

Cooked food eating creates physical and emotional addiction to the person who eats it

Edit: that being my 911 post was purely coincidental.

[micahgartman]

All of this reminds me of one of my favorite poems by Baxter Black...

The Vegetarian's Nightmare
(a dissertation on plants' rights)

Ladies and diners I make you
A shameful, degrading confession.
A deed of disgrace in the name of good taste
Though I did it, I meant no aggression.

I had planted a garden last April
And lovingly sang it a ballad.
But later in June beneath a full moon
Forgive me, I wanted a salad!

So I slipped out and fondled a carrot
Caressing its feathery top.
With the force of a brute I tore out the root!
It whimpered and came with a pop!

Then laying my hand on a radish
I jerked and it left a small crater.
Then with the blade of my True Value spade
I exhumed a slumbering tater!

Celery I plucked, I twisted a squash!
Tomatoes were wincing in fear.
I choked the Romaine. It screamed out in pain,
Their anguish was filling my ears!

I finally came to the lettuce
As it cringed at the top of the row
With one wicked slice I beheaded it twice
As it writhed I dealt the death blow.

I butchered the onions and parsley.
My hoe was all covered with gore.
I chopped and I whacked without looking back
Then I stealthily slipped in the door.

My bounty lay naked and dying
So I drowned them to snuff out their life.
I sliced and I peeled as they thrashed and they reeled
On the cutting board under my knife.

I violated tomatoes
So their innards could never survive.
I grated and ground 'til they made not a sound
Then I boiled the tater alive!

Then I took the small broken pieces
I had tortured and killed with my hands
And tossed them together, heedless of whether
They suffered or made their demands.

I ate them. Forgive me, I'm sorry
But hear me though I'm a beginner
Those plants feel pain, though it's hard to explain
To someone who eats them for dinner!

I intend to begin a crusade
For PLANTS' RIGHTS, including chick peas.
The A.C.L.U. will be helping me, too.
In the meantime, please pass the bleu cheese.


Peace,
mg

[E's Lil Theorem]

Originally Posted by ort888

You might call vegetarians hypocrites, and it's true to a point... but we are all hypocrites. At least they are doing something. The meat industry is hurting the planet and animals are suffering. These are facts. It's ridiculous to assume that if someone is a vegetarian yet doesn't go live on an eco-friendly farm eating soybean paste and planting trees all day that they are a hypocrite.

At least they are doing something. I applaud vegetarians. They can do what they want. The meat industry is hurting the planet and animals are suffering. These are facts. Some people decided to do something about it. It only becomes annoying when people get preachy about it.

I agree: at least they're doing something. Even if the person doing it is only doing it for the sake of being trendy. To extend this a bit further, when the tsunami relief efforts were at their peak, many celebrities "jumped on the wagon." Many people said that they were doing it just for the publicity, or because that's what other celebrities were doing. So what? Either way, really, so what? Their money still helped and in the end that is what it was about: helping.

[demograph68]

Originally Posted by ort888

As a whole, the meat industry is hurting the planet. If you go into the woods and shoot a deer and eat it, you are not hurting the planet. But raising millions of cows in a factory and feeding them tons and tons of cow scraps is hurting the planet. The meat industry is very wasteful. Those animals eat way more food then they produce and it causes a lot of problems.

It's true

[historylme]

Every vegetarian has their own definition of what it means to be vegetarian. Calling someone a hypocrite for eating certain types of food and not others, based on a statement, is jumping to conclusion and writing a thesis about.

Some people are alergic, some don't like the taste of one thing but may love other related foods. We are full of contradictions. I don't like the taste of meat, but I remember loving bacon cheese burgers [edit: as a kid]. I wouln't eat them now, but I think fondly of them.

Whatever happened to live and let live.