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The word Best is subjective I know..
is best "reliable"?
is best "workmanship"?
is best "fastest"?
is best "handling"?
I don't know myself... so I say use your own standards..
but which country makes the best cars is what I'd like to know?
I have my own view, but I'll keep that to myself and see what others here are saying..
Thanks
There are many countries that I didn't list because they simply don't have a mature auto industry and/or are not in the running since they don't sell in the US: France, India, Czech, etc..
Also disregard who owns who.. that's all corporate bean counting.. Rolls is UK, and Volvo is Sweden... Not Germany, and US respectively!
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Cars aren't made by "countries" anymore, - they are made by "companies".
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Again.. forget that corporate ownership thing..
Acura is 95% Japan content.. MB is 87% Germany, Cadillac is 82% etc...
for all intents and purposes they are all from their respective country, with those countries cultural and engineering norms incorporated into their designs..
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Originally Posted by UnixMac
is best "reliable"?
Japan and Germany.
Originally Posted by UnixMac
is best "workmanship"?
Germany. Unless you get to the top end then it's the UK.
Originally Posted by UnixMac
is best "fastest"?
UK, Italy and Germany.
Originally Posted by UnixMac
is best "handling"?
UK, Germany and Italy.
OK, so US cars haven't had a mention anywhere here. I do like 'em though. Maybe US cars could be filed under "coolest".
Originally Posted by UnixMac
There are many countries not in the running since they don't sell in the US
Since when did this become a US-only forum? 
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Since when did this become a US-only forum?
dude.. I'm sorry, you're right.. It's been a while since I've been on this forum and have been on a few US only ones.. so I got the blinders!
Sorry to all of our international members... just pick between those choice.. all that's really missing is France, and Czech / Russia and I don't think the Germans or Japanese have much to fear from them  ..
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Originally Posted by UnixMac
Acura is 95% Japan content.. MB is 87% Germany, Cadillac is 82% etc...
for all intents and purposes they are all from their respective country, with those countries cultural and engineering norms incorporated into their designs.
Not at all. Aside from most of the parts being built in "cheap labour" countries and then shipped to other destinations to be assembled, the design and engineering is also done at a variety of different locations.
I can remeber MB a couple of years ago excpicitely communicating this in their advertizing strategy. It shifted from "Made in Germany" to "Made by MB". Other companies have now adopted similar attitudes and strategies.
It is a nice romantic notion to believe that cars are "essentially" a product of cultural idealism and "virtues" (or engineering norms, as you put it). But those days are long gone...
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Maybe US cars could be filed under "coolest".
I can think of about 2 US made cars that fit under that category
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Germany & Japan.
Separated only by price bracket and design philosophy.
i.e. and Acura TSX (Accord Euro) or Audi A4. Every bit the BMW 3 series rival. Very much it's own take on what it should be.
Maybe a better question is which company has the 'best' design philosophy.
I'd have to give that to Honda & Audi.
But, I am in the process of buying a TSX or A4 (still can't decide), so I may be biased. 
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I can think of about 2 US made cars that fit under that category
Heh. I'm a big fan of jacked up trucks and military-derived vehicles.
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I think it's a toss up between Germany and Japan, depending on what goes into your definition of 'best'.
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Where the heck do I file the Bugatti Veyron, which is owned by VW and assembled in France by Krauts and (probably) Frenchies? Either way, I don't think there's a faster "un-souped" production car out there - right or wrong?
Then again, what the heck good does a car with 1001hp, a top speed of just over 400km/h (250 mph) and a price tag north of a million Euros if it looks like a mutant VW Beetle?
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If we're going to name brands... and if time weren't an issue..
Duesenberg is the king! IMHO..
with Maybach/Rolls/Bugatti below... and close to tied..
MB follows
then many, many others...
but if time (todays world) is to be regarded..
I agree.. it's a multi-national world.. but my view is the German companies still have an overall edge.. with the Swedes next and the Japanese right behind..
I value safety, performance, and build quality and all of those countries do well in this arena without having to build F350 Superduty based SUVs to achieve that goal.
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Most reliable: Japan
Best workmanship: Germany
Fastest: Italy and UK
Best handling: Italy and Germany
Best overall: Germany and Japan
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Originally Posted by zerostar
I can think of about 2 US made cars that fit under that category
That would be the Batmobile and KITT, right?
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Ok, you guys got me curious - what fast car is made in the UK?
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I'll define who makes the "best" as who makes "what I would most like to have" and those would be Italian.
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Originally Posted by MacNStein
Most reliable: Japan
Best workmanship: Germany
Fastest: Italy and UK
Best handling: Italy and Germany
Best overall: Germany and Japan
I find it interesting how a few have listed UK as fastest, and not Germany..
What about Porsche 997, Merc CL65/SL65 AMG, and BMW M5??
Last I saw the UK had nothing as fast as those..
(interesting BBC TOP GEAR Link on that here - hope you have a fast connection )
BBC TOP GEAR SHOW
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Originally Posted by jasonsRX7
I'll define who makes the "best" as who makes "what I would most like to have" and those would be Italian.
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Ok, you guys got me curious - what fast car is made in the UK?
Originally Posted by UnixMac
I find it interesting how a few have listed UK as fastest, and not Germany..
What about Porsche 997, Merc CL65/SL65 AMG, and BMW M5??
Last I saw the UK had nothing as fast as those..
*cough*McLaren*cough*
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yeah.. but the McLaren is a one of a kind car... so far.. and the production McLaren is also more than 2/3 MB.. see my link above for a road test (British perspective mind you).
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Originally Posted by effgee
Ok, you guys got me curious - what fast car is made in the UK?
Aston Martin
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There's a McLaren in production that's faster than the Bugatti Veyron? Link?
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Originally Posted by UnixMac
yeah.. but the McLaren is a one of a kind car... so far.. and the production McLaren is also more than 2/3 MB..
Not the SLR, this:
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Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:
Aston Martin
Definitely nice cars (aside from the assorted Ford LEGO found inside some of the earlier ones) - but the fastest? Uhm, no - not even close.
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There's a McLaren in production that's faster than the Bugatti Veyron? Link?
There's a Veyron in production? I thought it was still vapourware.
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Ok, you guys got me curious - what fast car is made in the UK?
Starts with "Aston" and ends with "Martin". If you ever get a chance to ride in a Vanquish S, do so. It's a hell of an experience. 
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Definitely nice cars (aside from the assorted Ford LEGO found inside some of the earlier ones) - but the fastest? Uhm, no - not even close.
Ummm, yes. The Vanquish S is in the top 5.
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Heh. I'm a big fan of jacked up trucks and military-derived vehicles.
You mean something similar to this?
First expedition to successfully cross the Antarctic by car (if you can call it that).
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Not forgetting the official fastest car in the World:
David Vivian, one of the UK's leading magazine test drivers recently commented, "Never mind the new 911 Turbo, be unconcerned about any Ferrari, F50 included. The only road car swifter than the Ultima is the McLaren F1, and then not by much. On a performance-per-£ reckoning, of course, the GTR destroys that, too."
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You mean something similar to this?
You've probably seen that one on your travels.
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Originally Posted by MacNStein
Starts with "Aston" and ends with "Martin". If you ever get a chance to ride in a Vanquish S, do so. It's a hell of an experience.
I have and I've even driven it (paddles and auto clutch and all)
my bro-in-law, a well off B-ball player has both. the Vanquish and a SL65... and the SL smokes it... big time. we're talking 485 ft/lbs torque vs 738!
but seriously, the Vanquish is a great car, and well made... easily able to get to 180mph.. the SL65 is a 220mph car with the governor lifted.
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Originally Posted by starman
Matchbox
 Definitely better than Hot Wheels.
My vote is for Germany. They offer the best overall package in my opinion:
reliance
workmanship
speed/performance
comfort
aesthetics
Most car for the money
German cars may or may not be the best in any one of these categories, but overall I think they offer the best package.
Only downside is that they are expensive.
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Definitely better than Hot Wheels.
Gweman cars may or may not be the best in any one of these categories, but overall I think they offer the best package.
Only down side is that they are expensive.
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Not forgetting the official fastest car in the World
Outdated. Not anymore.
VW's Bugatti Veyron went into production yesterday.
407 km/h or 253 mph !
16-Cylinder-Engine with 1001 HP !
http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0...372605,00.html
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I have and I've even driven it (paddles and auto clutch and all)
my bro-in-law, a well off B-ball player has both. the Vanquish and a SL65... and the SL smokes it... big time. we're talking 485 ft/lbs torque vs 738!
but seriously, the Vanquish is a great car, and well made... easily able to get to 180mph.. the SL65 is a 220mph car with the governor lifted.
Sorry, I was at the track watching a Vanquish S do 210MPH (and 0-60 in 4.3secs). I doubt the SL65 smokes it, period.
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Sorry, I was at the track watching a Vanquish S do 210MPH (and 0-60 in 4.3secs). I doubt the SL65 smokes it, period.
go to my link I posted above and watch the CL65 (quite a bit slower than the SL65) against a DB9 (a bit slower than a Vanquish) and and the Bentley. Mind you, this is a British show with much Pro-Brit bias.. and see the results for yourself.
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You've probably seen that one on your travels.
bah! Amateurish modification. For professional mods take a look at this:
My old "work" car (the one f*cked up in the pics). Yes, I miss it.
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bah! Amateurish modification.
I know. I was just trying to keep it within the "military derived" specification.
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Well, it is German.
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I know. I was just trying to keep it within the "military derived" specification.
Something like this then?
(that company exports them as well if you are interested )
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Nah, these are for kids.
Bugatti Veyron: 0-62 in 2.5 sec. !
Slow. That Ultima GT-R up there does it in 2.1
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is best "reliable"?
Ford
is best "workmanship"?
Chevy
is best "fastest"?
Chevy
is best "handling"?
GM
I kid... I kid...
Most cars today have their specific markets. Statistically, japan has the rest of the world on average reliability... italy has speed... handling would go to Germany...
BUT, there are US cars that are reliable, well build, fast and good at handling... just like there are cars from japan that have poor reliability, workmanship...
It's a complex question.. with an even more complex answer.
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Originally Posted by von Wrangell
Something like this then?
(that company exports them as well if you are interested )
Seriously fat tyres. Yum.
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Been inclined to wander... off the beaten track.
That's where there's thunder... and the wind shouts back.
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Originally Posted by effgee
Italian? Alrighty then, there you go ...
Hehe cute, but I was thinking more like this
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Originally Posted by production_coordinator
handling would go to Germany...
Why does everyone keep quoting Germany for handling? They have Porsche and BMW (the previous model 3 is a class act), sure. But that's it (no, VWs and Audis do not handle well).
Have you guys never heard of Lotus, Noble, TVR or Caterham?
This is the best handling production car on the planet, period:
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Been inclined to wander... off the beaten track.
That's where there's thunder... and the wind shouts back.
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Originally Posted by UnixMac
go to my link I posted above and watch the CL65 (quite a bit slower than the SL65) against a DB9 (a bit slower than a Vanquish) and and the Bentley. Mind you, this is a British show with much Pro-Brit bias.. and see the results for yourself.
You can't compare the DB9 to the Vanquish S, the DB9 is a LOT slower.
I saw it with my eyes; 210MPH, 4.3sec 0-60. Yes, that makes it one of the fastest cars in the world. Plus, the SL65 is nice, but I'd rather be seen in a Vanquish S.
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