[cmeisenzahl]

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue01...gart_intro.htm

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/shattered/

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...nel/inside911/

http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-11/default.htm#

http://www.september11news.com/

[wdlove]

The memories of that sad day are seared into my mind. I think about it every day, and pray. We had a special prayer at my church today. Lest not us ever forget.

[besson3c]

I find it very off-putting that the sense of unity that brought New Yorkers (and the country) together seems to have been replaced by something else during these anniversaries. To me, what ought to be remembered about 9/11 was the sheer shock and raw emotion shared among all of us, and how we turned to each other for comfort and support. I just came from a 9/11 memorial which was pretty much uninspired speeches filled with cliche, and "support our troops", blah blah blah. Disappointing.

Not that supporting our troops isn't important, but it's a phrase that is so overused it is almost nauseating to me (like there are people who *don't* support the troops?). I really take issue with the idea that 9/11 ought to be remembered and recalled this way.

[DeathToWindows]

Right on besson3c!


Now that I think about it, I spent 9/11 sitting in a darkroom, working. As I did today.

I'd rather people remember the emotional shock that made people care rather than showing more footage of the flag, the towers or those titled heros (which drives me nuts - NOT because I'm knocking what great works were done that day, just that the term is overused to the point of meaninglessness).

[TailsToo]

Apparently I booked my return flight to Dallas on the wrong day, so today I went to the airport, only to find that I didn't have a reservation. I had to trade in all of my miles to get a flight back to Dallas for tomorrow.

[Mister Elf]

What the hell are you talking about, Tails?!

[KeriVit]

[TailsToo]

Originally Posted by Mister Elf

What the hell are you talking about, Tails?!

Just something that happened to me today - It was already pretty difficult to mentally prepare to fly today, then the mishap at the airport with the reservation.

I do fly a lot and I never feel uneasy, but I must admit, that today I would have.

(BTW, the Discovery Channel's Flight that Fought Back was excellent)

[Hash]

I always wondered why there was left no wings and any pieces of (huge) aircraft which presumably hit Pentagon. Even on photos shoot immediately after you never see any pieces of metal or other aircraft parts and even grass near remained untouched. Also, were there found any bodies from the aircraft??

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by besson3c

I find it very off-putting that the sense of unity that brought New Yorkers (and the country) together seems to have been replaced by something else during these anniversaries. To me, what ought to be remembered about 9/11 was the sheer shock and raw emotion shared among all of us, and how we turned to each other for comfort and support. I just came from a 9/11 memorial which was pretty much uninspired speeches filled with cliche, and "support our troops", blah blah blah. Disappointing.

Not that supporting our troops isn't important, but it's a phrase that is so overused it is almost nauseating to me (like there are people who *don't* support the troops?). I really take issue with the idea that 9/11 ought to be remembered and recalled this way.

To me, what ought to be remembered about 9/11 was the sheer shock and raw emotion shared among all of us, and how we turned to each other for comfort and support.

Hmmm...

Wouldn't a good film or a romance novel achieve these? Let's see, national tragedy employed for the purposes of mood alteration? Nah...doesn't work for me.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by DeathToWindows

Right on besson3c!


Now that I think about it, I spent 9/11 sitting in a darkroom, working. As I did today.

I'd rather people remember the emotional shock that made people care rather than showing more footage of the flag, the towers or those titled heros (which drives me nuts - NOT because I'm knocking what great works were done that day, just that the term is overused to the point of meaninglessness).

I'd rather people remember the emotional shock that made people care

hmmm...

See the reply to besson3c.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by TailsToo

(BTW, the Discovery Channel's Flight that Fought Back was excellent)

I agree.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Hash

I always wondered why there was left no wings and any pieces of (huge) aircraft which presumably hit Pentagon. Even on photos shoot immediately after you never see any pieces of metal or other aircraft parts and even grass near remained untouched. Also, were there found any bodies from the aircraft??

I'd be interested in someone in crash investigation speak to these issues. I am curious as to how this can be.

[macroy]

Originally Posted by mojo2

I'd be interested in someone in crash investigation speak to these issues. I am curious as to how this can be.

I agree. But I also think that it may not be as "strange" as we might think. Most of our experiences with these types of incident's have been from a "hollywood" perspective. So what happens in reality can seem to be very strange based on what we've seen.

...Just a thought.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

I am impressed that someone with no flight experience can hit a 5 story building on the lowest floor. Pilot of the century.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by mojo2

I'd be interested in someone in crash investigation speak to these issues. I am curious as to how this can be.

Solid mass (like 24 inch reinforced concrete) ALWAYS yeilds to outstretched limbs and sheet aluminum wings! Therefore an object impacting a solid wall will always leave a perfect impression hole of itself, rather than an impact crater. Simple ACME laws of physics!

But seriously, this has been debunked a million times already. Relatively light aluminum-skinned aircraft don't leave impression holes in 24 inch concrete walls any more than high-velocity cartoon coyotes would.

Edit: I also have to scratch my head how anyone seriously could question why the trailing edges of an aircraft’s wings would be the parts that would impact a wall- as per that picture and others I’ve seen. Have these people actually done much flying? Ever even been around large aircraft? Ever noticed the sweep of a jetliner’s wings? Why on earth would the trailing outer edges impact before the leading inner edges up toward the fuselage? Do people really think that relatively speaking- an aluminum-skinned aircraft wing is that rigid compared to a concrete wall?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

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[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

II am impressed that someone with no flight experience can hit a 5 story building on the lowest floor. Pilot of the century.

By all accounts, the plane hit the ground first, and bounced into the Pentagon. This "pilot of the century" actually missed the chance to use the full impact force of the aircraft against the building, wasting much of the energy on hitting the ground.

[King Bob On The Cob]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

I am impressed that someone with no flight experience can hit a 5 story building on the lowest floor. Pilot of the century.

It skipped on the ground, then hit between the second and first floor.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

By all accounts, the plane hit the ground first, and bounced into the Pentagon. This "pilot of the century" actually missed the chance to use the full impact force of the aircraft against the building, wasting much of the energy on hitting the ground.

So, that is completely amazing. They have light posts hundreds of metres from the target that were split in half from the plane flying fast and low. Security cameras also show it flying really low (a few metres).

I can't imagine doing this with even a small plane, and I have my pilots licence.