[budster101]

She's so London...

Just watched the "Apple Special Event" and it made me nauseous to listen to her speak.
Anyone else think she's becoming more and more weird as time goes by? Or, do you think it's only normal for an 'artist' to continually reinvent themselves?

I can't wait until she goes Irish.

[turtle777]

Thankz.

-t

[Kevin]

She pretentious. What can I say.

[selowitch]

I dunno. I like Madonna.

And I downloaded four of her songs that day: Secret, Live to Tell, Love Profusion, and Ray of Light. I admit that her Kabbalah flirtation is lame. She wouldn't know authentic Jewish mysticism if it jumped up and bit her. But that said, I think she has managed her career brilliantly, I enjoy a lot of her material, and she's nice to look at (though not a "ten").

[budster101]

I'd love it for her to bite me.

She's freaking hot. (Milf) She's got that look. Not bombshell hot, but hot in another way. You know.

Can't stand her the way she mimicks and can't be herself, but then again, I probably wouldn't like her if she were herself... who knows. Anyone know the real Madona?

As for her music. When she came out with her first few albums, I thought they were pretty good. I also do like some of her later music.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by budster101

Just watched the "Apple Special Event" and it made me nauseous to listen to her speak. Anyone else think she's becoming more and more weird as time goes by?

Originally Posted by budster101

She's freaking hot. (Milf) She's got that look.

Dude, decide.

-t

[yakkiebah]

It's pretty normal that you change your accent if you live somewhere else. Just a few years is enough. It has nothing to do with changing or being yourself.

The real question is why would anyone care?

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

She is still popular for this long so she is doing something right. I like her a lot.

[waxcrash]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

I like her a lot.

Isn't it a cliché that every gay person likes Madonna?

[Kevin]

Once you get to be so popular, no matter how flakey you act, you will still have fans.

Just look at Michael Jackson.

[budster101]

I have made my mind up. I like her when she doesn't speak.

[Cody Dawg]

She hasn't done wonders for her husband's career, that's for sure.

His latest movie is a huge flop.

Hope he likes being Mr. Madonna because that is what he's become, apparently.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by budster101

I have made my mind up. I like her when she doesn't speak.

Whodathunkit...

-t

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by waxcrash

Isn't it a cliché that every gay person likes Madonna?

Very much. I like her too. Her music, anyway, particularly Erotica and Ray of Light. Used to be a big fan when I was a kid; not so much anymore.

Madonna is a highly intelligent woman, with a very keen business sense. That, along with her ability to create fairly stable and consistently good pop music which follows the current streams of popular music, and her ability to reinvent and redefine herself and her image, is what has kept her career going as strong as it has for all these years.


yakkiebah: Yes, it's quite common to change your accent somewhat after living in another place for some years. The odd thing is that Madonna's accent turned remarkably British after she'd been living there for about two weeks (and even before she moved), then the British tinge disappeared completely again for a long time, and now it's back again-again.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by waxcrash

Isn't it a cliché that every gay person likes Madonna?

Yup, but note I didn't say I LOVE HER.

[yakkiebah]

Originally Posted by Oisín

yakkiebah: Yes, it's quite common to change your accent somewhat after living in another place for some years. The odd thing is that Madonna's accent turned remarkably British after she'd been living there for about two weeks (and even before she moved), then the British tinge disappeared completely again for a long time, and now it's back again-again.

Well if that's true then yeah, it's retarded. I don't know, i hardly follow any of that stuff.

[MacNStein]

Originally Posted by selowitch

She wouldn't know authentic Jewish mysticism if it jumped up and bit her.

Neither would her teacher Rabbi Berg. It's sad how much the man declined over the years. I knew him many years ago when he was just an inspired teacher. Lately, however, he's let Hollywood's money and glamor corrupt him. Very, very sad.

At any rate, I do like Madonna. She's quite a savy business woman, and still pretty hot for her age. And no, I don't think even SHE knows who the real Louise Ciccone is anymore.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

And no, I don't think even SHE knows who the real Louise Ciccone is anymore.

She has stated herself that the girl born Madonna Veronica Louise Ciccone died at the age of 5, along with Madonna Ciccone senior. Whether or not to believe that is another issue.

[Rolling Bones]

Originally Posted by budster101

She's so London...

Just watched the "Apple Special Event" and it made me nauseous to listen to her speak.
Anyone else think she's becoming more and more weird as time goes by? Or, do you think it's only normal for an 'artist' to continually reinvent themselves?

I can't wait until she goes Irish.

She could eat a 16 year old little boy like you and spit you out in little pieces.

[budster101]

I'm not sixteen. I'm over twice that age junior.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by budster101

I'm not sixteen. I'm over twice that age junior.

Why do you have to justify yourself, or correct him ?
You act like a 16 year old *sigh*

-t

[budster101]

Why did you have to post that crap?

*sigh*

[analogika]

Originally Posted by yakkiebah

Well if that's true then yeah, it's retarded. I don't know, i hardly follow any of that stuff.

Oh gosh.

My accent varies daily, depending upon whom I talk to.

I'll slip into the British I grew up with in Hong Kong when talking to a brit or 'straylion, and switch right back into American when talking to one.

It's not something that I do on purpose; I've always had a knack for picking up melody in a language and adapting to it. (To the point where people in Japan would blather at me on the phone, thinking I was completely fluent, and I'd have to explain that I didn't understand a quarter of what they were saying, and could they please call back later, when my dad, whome they were trying to reach, was back home.)

Pretentious? **** you.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by budster101

Why did you have to post that crap? *sigh*

-t

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by analogika

Oh gosh.

My accent varies daily, depending upon whom I talk to.

I'll slip into the British I grew up with in Hong Kong when talking to a brit or 'straylion, and switch right back into American when talking to one.

It's not something that I do on purpose; I've always had a knack for picking up melody in a language and adapting to it. (To the point where people in Japan would blather at me on the phone, thinking I was completely fluent, and I'd have to explain that I didn't understand a quarter of what they were saying, and could they please call back later, when my dad, whome they were trying to reach, was back home.)

I do the same thing. But there's a difference: we're not native speakers of these languages (or at least it's my understanding that German is your first language, not English?).

If I go to a different part of Denmark, I don't change my accent until I've been there a long time. If I go to England, however, my English accent will be British in about three seconds; if I go to the States, it will be American even faster. Whether I want it to be or not. But English is a secondary language to me, and I'm not nearly as locked into one single dialect/accent/topolect/sociolect/etc. in English as I am in Danish.

The only people who regularly change their accent in their own native tongue are people who have moved around a lot when growing up, and has thus never acquired a long-lasting 'relationship' with any particular sociolect and/or dialect (which does accurately describe you, of course, but not Madonna).

[MacNStein]

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

She could eat a 16 year old little boy like you and spit you out in little pieces.

Well she damned well better be able to, considering how many notches she's got on the bed post. She, no doubt, makes almost any man (or woman) look, and feel, like a 16 y/o.

[budster101]

I'm sure I'd cry like a little girl after, or at least until she untied me...

[AKcrab]

C'mon people, it's ESTER now.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Oisín

I do the same thing. But there's a difference: we're not native speakers of these languages (or at least it's my understanding that German is your first language, not English?).

If I go to a different part of Denmark, I don't change my accent until I've been there a long time.

I grew up bilingual.

And it does happen to me in German, as well, though subtly - I'll catch myself using different regional phrasings and pronounciations, depending upon whom I'm talking to.

I find it amusing that this happens.

[Oisín]

That's a good indication that you are either bilingual, or never established a very 'close-knit relationship' with your native language (which often happens to children who move around a lot while growing up, whether between different areas and different dialects in the same country, or between different countries altogether). In your case, perhaps both.

[Doofy]

On the subject of the British accent assumed by non-British persons:

---> No. <---

Don't even try it. We'll just laugh. Especially if you're an American entertainer who's been here for five minutes and thinks she's gone native.

[budster101]

Exactly my point.

Ta

[jonasmac]

Originally Posted by analogika

I grew up bilingual.

And it does happen to me in German, as well, though subtly - I'll catch myself using different regional phrasings and pronounciations, depending upon whom I'm talking to.

I find it amusing that this happens.

This happens to me too. In Guam we have so many different ethnicities, so it's easy for me to pick up accents. I also start saying "y'all" when I'm in Southern states.

I've heard some crazy accents...Once knew a girl who was a Filipino from Australia, but hung out with African Americans. Her accent was nutzo.

[budster101]

It's one thing to mimick people or even their mannerisms when speaking to someone to develop rapore but it's another to immitate because you think it's just cool and makes you look that way. It's like she thinks she's better because she speaks with a pseudo English accent.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by budster101

It's one thing to mimick people or even their mannerisms when speaking to someone to develop rapore but it's another to immitate because you think it's just cool and makes you look that way. It's like she thinks she's better because she speaks with a pseudo English accent.

If it makes any sense, the crowd she runs with over here (including her husband) are mainly from the "Cool Britannia" clique - pretty much the most pretentious bunch of folks in the country.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by selowitch

She wouldn't know authentic Jewish mysticism if it jumped up and bit her.

Jumbo shrimp, anybody?

[analogika]

Originally Posted by budster101

It's one thing to mimick people or even their mannerisms when speaking to someone to develop rapore

Well, you make it sound like it's a conscious thing.

It isn't necessarily.

(and your spelling is atrocious, btw. - just saying.)

[budster101]

I know, but it's the internet and I don't care. Don't turn into Besson, you were growing on me. I dug the way you handled James.

It's a self-conscious thing. She has low self-esteem.
How was my spelling there?

[Kerrigan]

She's pretty normal as far as mega-celebrities go. Look at other super-stars of comparable fame from her generation: Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Michael Jackson, Mel Gibson, etc. They have all basically gone off the deep end.

Moving to England has normalised her personality, and joining Kabalah has tamed her and helped fill the massive void which is the celebrity soul.

Her "to the manor born" personality may not last, for that we'll have to see. But right now she seems to be pretty content.

[budster101]

Sure, sleeping with her personal sperm donor was normal...

John Travolta flew 7 tons of supplies to the people in New O'rleans with his wife Kelly Preston. They may be kooky but they have big hearts and are good people. Of course they brought some Scientolotist "Priests" with them... Oh well nobody is perfect right? Same goes for Madona. I still dig her.

[Rolling Bones]

Originally Posted by budster101

New O'rleans

Madona

> In my best Irish brogue<

"Faith and begorra, it's now an Irish city is it?"

And it's Madonna.

[budster101]

Oyrish it eese laud.

I don't care about spelling on the net. If you are going to pick at my spelling, be prepared to do it right yourself every time.

[Warung]

Originally Posted by analogika

I'll slip into the British I grew up with in Hong Kong when talking to a brit or 'straylion, and switch right back into American when talking to one.

They had a pretty interesting article on this in the UK edition of GQ a few years back, - not only relating to different languages, but various dialects as well.

It came to the conclusion that people do this unconsciously to "fit in/connect" and improve the flow of "communication", IIRC.

I notice it here in every day life when folks who normally speak a "standard version" of German, and as soon as they encounter somebody who talks to them in a regional dialect switch to the same.

[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by analogika

Oh gosh.

My accent varies daily, depending upon whom I talk to.

I'll slip into the British I grew up with in Hong Kong when talking to a brit or 'straylion, and switch right back into American when talking to one.

It's not something that I do on purpose; I've always had a knack for picking up melody in a language and adapting to it. (To the point where people in Japan would blather at me on the phone, thinking I was completely fluent, and I'd have to explain that I didn't understand a quarter of what they were saying, and could they please call back later, when my dad, whome they were trying to reach, was back home.)

Pretentious? **** you.

Same here. I (subconsciously) try to speak a language as if I were completely fluent. I'm also pretty good at mimicking the way people speak. That's how I learn languages, I watch some tv or something in the language I'm trying to learn and I start off with mimicking the sounds they make. Sounding like you know a language goes a long way even if you don't really know the language.

That said, I HATE Flemish people who speak French or English or whatever other language with a Flemish accent.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by budster101

She's so London...

Just watched the "Apple Special Event" and it made me nauseous to listen to her speak.
Anyone else think she's becoming more and more weird as time goes by? Or, do you think it's only normal for an 'artist' to continually reinvent themselves?

I can't wait until she goes Irish.

Nope... you're the only one...

[JoshuaZ]

She had a good cone bra thing going on for a while.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

She had a good cone bra thing going on for a while.

You are kidding, right ?

[/irony]

-t