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Gator Lager · Sep 13, 2005, 09:20 PM

the elderly folks relied totally on them for all. and they left them to fend for themselves.
they were told to hang onto the ceiling fans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091301728.html

Captain Obvious · Sep 13, 2005, 09:24 PM

I blame the two Italians who ran the facility.

rickey939 · Sep 13, 2005, 09:24 PM

budster101 · Sep 13, 2005, 09:31 PM

Scumbags

finboy · Sep 13, 2005, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by budster101

Scumbags

Yup. They are vermine.

But I'm not sure that evacuating nursing homes is an easy thing to plan for whatever the situation. It sounds like an impossible situation.

I also wonder about the folks who didn't go get their elderly relatives, but I guess if they were capable of being moved by non-medical personnel, they wouldn't be in a nursing facility.

budster101 · Sep 13, 2005, 10:21 PM

They should have stayed and taken care of the people. Called the police that were not looting...

BlueSky · Sep 14, 2005, 05:33 PM

There's two sides...

I think if y'all wait to hear the other side of the story, you might find that they're not as "scummy" as judged.

I'll wait to hear more about it before getting into it, but it's going to be difficult to prosecute someone for negligence when the opposite decision by the owners may have resulted in negligence charges as well.

Captain Obvious · Sep 14, 2005, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

it's going to be difficult to prosecute someone for negligence when the opposite decision by the owners may have resulted in negligence charges as well.

Umm, no. Not if in the process they acted in the best interest of the patients and took reasonable steps to see to their care during the move.

Salty · Sep 14, 2005, 05:56 PM

Honestly, I have to say I had a good impression of nursing homes till I went to visit my grandma in one the other day. The one by our house seems really nice and what not. But when I was leaving my grand mother's room I saw a old man on the floor, and he was calling for help, my sister ran in high heels (she'd seen him before I exited) to get a nurse, and then ran back. The nurse walked slowly very slowly, up to see, then walked somewhere else to get help. I'm thinking this poor guy is on his side on the floor, calling for help and you're just walking!? I would have ran in and given him a hand up but I didn't want to break anything or something like that. I felt awful for him and had no idea what to do.

BlueSky · Sep 14, 2005, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Umm, no. Not if in the process they acted in the best interest of the patients and took reasonable steps to see to their care during the move.

From the bits and pieces I've been hearing, no reasonable steps were going to prevent at least 5-8 of the patients in critical care from dying if they were moved. None. They knew that from experience...their own, from other nursing homes, and probably direct observation of the obvious.

They said that in 20 years of hurricane seasons, they had not had a drop of water inside the home from flooding or anything else. Point is, they weighed the possible outcomes of each option and quite possibly in good faith did what they thought was best for all of the patients. It obviously didn't turn out well, but I'm tending to give them the benefit at least for now. Maybe they thought it would be reckless to evacuate, I don't know.

So...if they knew to any degree that patients would die if moved but decided to do it anyway in order to save however many others, wouldn't there be some form of negligence in there, at least for those who died?

How this all comes together I'm not sure yet, which is why I'm not talking about it (haha). But details will no doubt be forthcoming.

mojo2 · Sep 14, 2005, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

From the bits and pieces I've been hearing, no reasonable steps were going to prevent at least 5-8 of the patients in critical care from dying if they were moved. None. They knew that from experience...their own, from other nursing homes, and probably direct observation of the obvious.

They said that in 20 years of hurricane seasons, they had not had a drop of water inside the home from flooding or anything else. Point is, they weighed the possible outcomes of each option and quite possibly in good faith did what they thought was best for all of the patients. It obviously didn't turn out well, but I'm tending to give them the benefit at least for now. Maybe they thought it would be reckless to evacuate, I don't know.

So...if they knew to any degree that patients would die if moved but decided to do it anyway in order to save however many others, wouldn't there be some form of negligence in there, at least for those who died?

How this all comes together I'm not sure yet, which is why I'm not talking about it (haha). But details will no doubt be forthcoming.

oops

mojo2 · Sep 14, 2005, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

There's two sides...

I think if y'all wait to hear the other side of the story, you might find that they're not as "scummy" as judged.

I'll wait to hear more about it before getting into it, but it's going to be difficult to prosecute someone for negligence when the opposite decision by the owners may have resulted in negligence charges as well.

BlueSky, it's too bad you are a liberal cuz it hurts me to say I like your thought process here! This is what I was saying when people started playing the blame game when Katrina's flood waters were still rising!

JoshuaZ · Sep 15, 2005, 04:56 AM

Damn.