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Do BEES have moral authority over humans?
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Bees:
>They don't invade countries for oil
>They enjoy their work and don't complain
>They have respect for their queen
>Not a single bee has ever pirated software
Should bees serve as a moral authority over mankind? Should we observe their ways to learn how to act, and should we allow our children to be brought up by bees?
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I like honey. I don't like being stung. I'm torn.
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And they only attack when provoked or their territory is threatened. So they don't just kill indiscriminately. 
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Originally Posted by rickey939
I like honey. I don't like being stung. I'm torn.
Bees = good
Yellowjackets = bad
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I wouldn't mind being a worker bee. It sorta suits my personality anyway.
We wouldn't have crazy rituals like rubbing ourselves up against the Queen Bee or getting our heads bitten off, would we?
(See, here I am already being a bad bee; complaining about the requirements to be a bee and not just being able to enjoy my bee-ness.)
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Originally Posted by Fred_Cokebottle
Bees pirate pollen!
not only that, but they distribute the sh*t. 
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Originally Posted by kmkkid
And they only attack when provoked or their territory is threatened. So they don't just kill indiscriminately.
Correction: they only attack when they FEEL THREATENED. Bees will attack anything within their (invisible to anyone but bees) borders just because they're there.
Bees are not more moral than people; they cannot be moral, as they cannot make decisions. They are 100% programmed, hardwired from the very begining to do just exactly what they do. People have choices, and it is their choices that determine whether or not they are moral or ethical.
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No, because bees are smart enough not to believe in morality. ;-)
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Originally Posted by ghporter
Correction: they only attack when they FEEL THREATENED. Bees will attack anything within their (invisible to anyone but bees) borders just because they're there.
Bees are not more moral than people; they cannot be moral, as they cannot make decisions. They are 100% programmed, hardwired from the very begining to do just exactly what they do. People have choices, and it is their choices that determine whether or not they are moral or ethical.
 bees??? morality??? no connection whatsoever, but it is a funny thought.
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Reminds me of Pearl Jam's "rats" song.
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan
>They don't invade countries for oil
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Originally Posted by ghporter
Correction: they only attack when they FEEL THREATENED. Bees will attack anything within their (invisible to anyone but bees) borders just because they're there.
Bees are not more moral than people; they cannot be moral, as they cannot make decisions. They are 100% programmed, hardwired from the very begining to do just exactly what they do. People have choices, and it is their choices that determine whether or not they are moral or ethical.
Did you not see the sign at the door when you entered this thread? The one that says, in big green letters: “Please leave any logical argumentation, reasoning, and/or serious conversation at the door”?
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Originally Posted by Oisín
Did you not see the sign at the door when you entered this thread? The one that says, in big green letters: “Please leave any logical argumentation, reasoning, and/or serious conversation at the door”?
Logic? I was venting pure emotion there! I'm surprised nobody slipped in the greasy pool of bile I vented!
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they fly.... i want to fly.
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Being a female bee suks, I think. That is unless you are the Queen. The original post reminds me of the Napolean/Cleopatra syndrome of people who say they recall past lives where they were either one of the rulers.
In your reverie open some of that imagination to consider life for the drones and the worker bees, the lives of the average male and female bee. The desire to bring order to society along rigid and predictable lines of behavior reminds you of what group's modus operandi?
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I for one welcome our new insectoid dancing over lords
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Originally Posted by xi_hyperon
Bees = good
Yellowjackets = bad
Ummm...
Yellowjackets = Bees
As for Morals of Bees, I don't doubt that if they were established in the same social situation, they would have similar problems. They would be raiding other hives... even when there was probably honey enough in their own.
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Originally Posted by Artful Dodger
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Give petty people just a little bit of power and watch how they misuse it! You can't silence the self doubt, can you?
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Originally Posted by Salty
I for one welcome our new insectoid dancing over lords
Ants > bees.
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Dude, I see bee pirate software all the time. Clearly you're not watching them closely. They may look all happy and sane, but they're all just one step away from becoming 'killer' bees.
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Originally Posted by mojo2
Being a female bee suks, I think. That is unless you are the Queen.
I may very well be parading my abyssmal knowledge of all things biological (heaven knows it is abyssmal!), but I was always sort of under the impression that the Queen is the only female bee. Did I get something mixed up there?
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Originally Posted by Oisín
I may very well be parading my abyssmal knowledge of all things biological (heaven knows it is abyssmal!), but I was always sort of under the impression that the Queen is the only female bee. Did I get something mixed up there?
Yes, the workers are female but infertile.
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Originally Posted by mojo2
Being a female bee suks, I think. That is unless you are the Queen. The original post reminds me of the Napolean/Cleopatra syndrome of people who say they recall past lives where they were either one of the rulers.
In your reverie open some of that imagination to consider life for the drones and the worker bees, the lives of the average male and female bee. The desire to bring order to society along rigid and predictable lines of behavior reminds you of what group's modus operandi?
What group? What group?
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Originally Posted by jonasmac
What group? What group?
Why, MacNN mods, of course!
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Give petty people just a little bit of power and watch how they misuse it! You can't silence the self doubt, can you?
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I don't think that a creature which only wears black and yellow (stripes no less!!) has moral authority over anyone.
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