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meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 01:43 AM

If you can grab yourself a 1.5 PSP do so, as much as I heard people talk about this little bundle of joy, theres nothing like actually owning one. I've enjoyed this purchase far more than anything I've bought in years. Highly recommended. (yeah, I'm late to the party, but oh well)

strictlyplaid · Sep 22, 2005, 01:53 AM

Curses! I upgraded to the 2.0 firmware before I knew any better.

DAMN YOU SONY! <shake fist>

11011001 · Sep 22, 2005, 02:37 AM

The best site for homebrew is:

http://psp-news.dcemu.co.uk/

Check it out.

But yes, homebrew is great. SNES can run full speed on the PSP. I wish however that someone would come out with a VOIP solution for the PSP. That would be the killer app for me. (if I can find a way to attach a mic to the PSP I would do it myself)

Cubeoid · Sep 22, 2005, 02:56 AM

Nintendo should build a SNESP.

willed · Sep 22, 2005, 03:16 AM

What, has Sony tried to stop home made software with the 2.0 firmware?

Chuckit · Sep 22, 2005, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

Nintendo should build a SNESP.

Wasn't that essentially the idea behind GBA? "Let's rerelease all our great Super Nintendo games on a portable platform"?

JoshuaZ · Sep 22, 2005, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Wasn't that essentially the idea behind GBA? "Let's rerelease all our great Super Nintendo games on a portable platform"?

Yeah... and it has a better battery life too...

11011001 · Sep 22, 2005, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by willed

What, has Sony tried to stop home made software with the 2.0 firmware?

Yes, they broke 1.0 with 1.5, then 1.5 with 1.5.1, and now since no one upgraded to 1.5.1, they broke it with 2.0. 2.0 also has some rather desirable features.. which is a shame. 1.0, and 1.5 were successfully hacked, but no one has hacked 2.0 yet. It's very intentional, they want homebrew to die.

(i might be wrong with the version number on 1.5.1)

Sidenote: I got a 1 GB memory stick for mine, and it makes a killer unit to watch anime (what a geek) on while I take the transit to school/work.

Millennium · Sep 22, 2005, 05:51 AM

I've been considering the GP2X for my homebrew-portable needs. No need to worry about future firmware updates breaking my stuff. I do worry somewhat about the lack of networking, though.

As for the GBA-as-portable-SNES, it would be perfect for this if only it had X and Y buttons. But frankly, I'm kind of glad they didn't go this route. Many console-developed games just plain don't work well in a portable format, because they weren't designed for portables. Truly successful portable games require a different way of thinking about gaming than consoles do. This is why Nintendo has managed to succeed for so long, while all of its competitors have lost out even though most could claim technical superiority: Nintendo understands portable gaming.

Diggory Laycock · Sep 22, 2005, 05:59 AM

Don't recent games refuse to run until you install the newer firmware?

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Millennium

I've been considering the GP2X for my homebrew-portable needs. No need to worry about future firmware updates breaking my stuff. I do worry somewhat about the lack of networking, though.

As for the GBA-as-portable-SNES, it would be perfect for this if only it had X and Y buttons. But frankly, I'm kind of glad they didn't go this route. Many console-developed games just plain don't work well in a portable format, because they weren't designed for portables. Truly successful portable games require a different way of thinking about gaming than consoles do. This is why Nintendo has managed to succeed for so long, while all of its competitors have lost out even though most could claim technical superiority: Nintendo understands portable gaming.

As many things as run on the psp already and as widely accepted and as quickly growing as its scene is, I wouldnt get anything other than a 1.5 psp for homebrew. I was playing Zelda: Link to the Past last night, and its just astounding when its filling up that beautiful little screen.

starman · Sep 22, 2005, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by 11011001

Yes, they broke 1.0 with 1.5, then 1.5 with 1.5.1, and now since no one upgraded to 1.5.1, they broke it with 2.0. 2.0 also has some rather desirable features.. which is a shame. 1.0, and 1.5 were successfully hacked, but no one has hacked 2.0 yet. It's very intentional, they want homebrew to die.

(i might be wrong with the version number on 1.5.1)

Sidenote: I got a 1 GB memory stick for mine, and it makes a killer unit to watch anime (what a geek) on while I take the transit to school/work.

Wrong.

I read an article in one of the big mags that had an interview with a Sony rep that said that at some point in the future they WILL allow homebrew. They're not against it, they just don't want to do it NOW.

Mike

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Wrong.

I read an article in one of the big mags that had an interview with a Sony rep that said that at some point in the future they WILL allow homebrew. They're not against it, they just don't want to do it NOW.

Mike

I dont see them allowing homebrew at any time when they have already broken it. Sony is pretty much evil and I dont trust them, but I do like this hardware

lavar78 · Sep 22, 2005, 10:18 AM

There's no incentive for Sony to support Homebrew right now because they aren't satisfied with their lackluster game sales.

ink · Sep 22, 2005, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Diggory Laycock

Don't recent games refuse to run until you install the newer firmware?

Hence, we do not buy new games.

Are you listening Sony?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 22, 2005, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Wasn't that essentially the idea behind GBA? "Let's rerelease all our great Super Nintendo games on a portable platform"?

If you like buying all those old games.

goMac · Sep 22, 2005, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

If you like buying all those old games.

As opposed to stealing them?

Chuckit · Sep 22, 2005, 12:05 PM

I still own all my old Super Nintendo games. They're still better than 90% of the **** out there.

suprz's ghost · Sep 22, 2005, 01:42 PM

my son owns a PSP damn great little piece of wizardry! I'll be getting one shortly, wireless internet, music player, movie player, game player, usb storage device, and to think, i was looking at an ipod nano.... :hmm

PSP ROCKS

Kevin · Sep 22, 2005, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by suprz's ghost

my son owns a PSP damn great little piece of wizardry! I'll be getting one shortly, wireless internet, music player, movie player, game player, usb storage device, and to think, i was looking at an ipod nano.... :hmm

PSP ROCKS

PSPs are cool, but dont replace a regular HD based iPod

Diggory Laycock · Sep 22, 2005, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by ink

Hence, we do not buy new games.

Are you listening Sony?

Yeah... that's going to work as well as the 'boycott petrol stations on this specific day' idea.

As a percentage of the market, people who run homebrew are 0.001% - you have no leverage.

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

As opposed to stealing them?

None of the companies involved see kickbacks when you buy a used game anyway. You are giving all that money to EB or Gamestop or whoever, not Nintendo, Sega, etc.

Albert Pujols · Sep 22, 2005, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Diggory Laycock

Don't recent games refuse to run until you install the newer firmware?

There is a firmware switcher floating around the net, it will trick a game into thinking a higher version of firmware is installed. .

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Albert Pujols

There is a firmware switcher floating around the net, it will trick a game into thinking a higher version of firmware is installed. .

theres no working firmware downgrader, unless you happen to like killing your system.

Albert Pujols · Sep 22, 2005, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by meelk

theres no working firmware downgrader, unless you happen to like killing your system.

Its a switcher, it doesn't really downgrade your firmware, it just tricks games into thinking that your firmware is updated.

Millennium · Sep 22, 2005, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by meelk

As many things as run on the psp already and as widely accepted and as quickly growing as its scene is, I wouldnt get anything other than a 1.5 psp for homebrew.

Point taken. Then again, the GP2X runs Linux and X11, so most software is just a recompile away and the console comes with the SDK. The base console apparently comes with a bunch of emulators, including MAME, already installed.

The big advantage the PSP has is networking. A small-screen modification of Konqueror or Firefox wouldn't be all that difficult to do for the GP2X, but without networking it wouldn't make a lot of sense to do that. The GP2X has USB2, so it could theoretically be even better for networking than the PSP since you could attach a keyboard, but since it has no networking anyway the point is moot.

I was playing Zelda: Link to the Past last night, and its just astounding when its filling up that beautiful little screen.

Most of the Zelda games lend themselves well to portable gaming, which makes sense since many of them were originally released on portables. LTTP predates the portable games, but many aspects of its design would seem to indicate that they were at least thinking about releasing a portable Zelda game even at that time.

goMac · Sep 22, 2005, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by meelk

None of the companies involved see kickbacks when you buy a used game anyway. You are giving all that money to EB or Gamestop or whoever, not Nintendo, Sega, etc.

Except they are still selling the GBA advance version.

I dunno. It just seems funny to me people buy PSP's simply to play more Nintendo games.

jaydon34 · Sep 22, 2005, 09:56 PM

Psp as far as hardware is great. Games are mediocre and the fact that you have to convert all your videos to sony's proprietary format made me get rid of mines. I got an ipod and an Itrip which I use everyday. Psp was a paper wieght. And yes I figured how to run backups off my 1 gig memory stick but it still wasnt worth it.

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Albert Pujols

Its a switcher, it doesn't really downgrade your firmware, it just tricks games into thinking that your firmware is updated.

and trust me, there is no such thing. I'm in 5 different channel on efnet. It doesnt exist. People beg for it daily.

edit: realized you're talking about the ripped umd games, although honestly I thought the upgrade protection/activation was simply removed from those.

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Except they are still selling the GBA advance version.

I dunno. It just seems funny to me people buy PSP's simply to play more Nintendo games.

Why not? Have you actually seen the screen on the thing? Its beautiful. Let me see, music, movies, import my own video, photos, psp games, and homebrew, oh...and one of the highlights, ebooks. I can format any ebook I have for psp

thats a pretty complete package.

goMac · Sep 22, 2005, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by meelk

Why not? Have you actually seen the screen on the thing? Its beautiful. Let me see, music, movies, import my own video, photos, psp games, and homebrew, oh...and one of the highlights, ebooks. I can format any ebook I have for psp

thats a pretty complete package.

Sure, but any new UMD, game or Movie, will now automatically upgrade you to 2.0, meaning goodbye homebrew.

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Sure, but any new UMD, game or Movie, will now automatically upgrade you to 2.0, meaning goodbye homebrew.

thats why you get ripped games

personally, all I play with it are classics.
and, you arent forced into the upgrade.

jaydon34 · Sep 22, 2005, 10:17 PM

If they add at 20 gig hard drive to it and make it divx compatable. Id purchase another if not they can keep it.

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by jaydon34

If they add at 20 gig hard drive to it and make it divx compatable. Id purchase another if not they can keep it.

..you can just use psp video 9 to convert any divx you have pretty quickly.

jaydon34 · Sep 22, 2005, 10:36 PM

thats actually what I used . But it should support divx most new dvd players support it.

meelk · Sep 22, 2005, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by jaydon34

thats actually what I used . But it should support divx most new dvd players support it.

Sony will always pigeonhole you into their proprietary crap if they can. Its part of what makes them Sony.

jaydon34 · Sep 22, 2005, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by meelk

Sony will always pigeonhole you into their proprietary crap if they can. Its part of what makes them Sony.

Yeah they sure will. Its one of those items that has alot of potential. I just never used mines almost reminds me of the Nintendo Power Glove. It was really over-hyped and sony did a great job doing so. Because myself and 3 of my friends waited around on launch day to get them. I just thought I would get alot of use out of it.

Albert Pujols · Sep 22, 2005, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by meelk

and trust me, there is no such thing. I'm in 5 different channel on efnet. It doesnt exist. People beg for it daily.

edit: realized you're talking about the ripped umd games, although honestly I thought the upgrade protection/activation was simply removed from those.

I'm sorry, my post wasn't clear. I was actually talking about version changer. You can download it here: http://www.wab.com/?page=download

It doesn't really change your PSP's firmware, but it tricks it into thinking it has a higher version.

11011001 · Sep 23, 2005, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Wrong.

I read an article in one of the big mags that had an interview with a Sony rep that said that at some point in the future they WILL allow homebrew. They're not against it, they just don't want to do it NOW.

Mike

What does that have to do with the situation at present? Nothing really. Until they do that, they are making homebrew very difficult. Their stance is aggressive (with software updates that do nothing else than break homebrew).

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Sep 23, 2005, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

As opposed to stealing them?

Funny how your own site has this product then eh.

http://carpestellarem.com/Products/Liberty/

meelk · Sep 23, 2005, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO

Funny how your own site has this product then eh.

http://carpestellarem.com/Products/Liberty/

hahahahaha

goMac · Sep 23, 2005, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO

Funny how your own site has this product then eh.

http://carpestellarem.com/Products/Liberty/

I didn't write the Palm program. I just wrote the OS X converter.

I also have a GBC on my desk right now, which is what I play my Gameboy games on. Liberty isn't even on my personal machine, or my Palm actually.

If you look at the Liberty site there is also an extensive GB homebrew community.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Sep 23, 2005, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

I didn't write the Palm program. I just wrote the OS X converter.

I also have a GBC on my desk right now, which is what I play my Gameboy games on. Liberty isn't even on my personal machine, or my Palm actually.

If you look at the Liberty site there is also an extensive GB homebrew community.

Whatever. Either way you totally ****ed your point on that one. You're saying stealing games for Palm is cool but PSP is not.

Idiot.

goMac · Sep 23, 2005, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO

Whatever. Either way you totally ****ed your point on that one. You're saying stealing games for Palm is cool but PSP is not.

Idiot.

No, now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said stealing games for Palm was cool.

ink · Sep 23, 2005, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Diggory Laycock

Yeah... that's going to work as well as the 'boycott petrol stations on this specific day' idea.

As a percentage of the market, people who run homebrew are 0.001% - you have no leverage.

Perhaps; I don't really care. It's not a moral issue, but a practical one. There are thousands like me as well, which translates to more than just a few lost game sales. Most everyone that I know, personally, who bought a PSP will never upgrade past 1.5 until a hack is found.

ink · Sep 23, 2005, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by jaydon34

... the fact that you have to convert all your videos to sony's proprietary format made me get rid of mines.

Umm, it uses MPEG-4. It's hardly "proprietary" in any sense of the word.

I have all the Robot Chicken episodes on mine at the moment.

jaydon34 · Sep 23, 2005, 08:11 PM

well as long as I have to convert videos its a pain. Should play at least divx native... But on another note there making progress with the 2.0 firmware. Things maybe looking up.

ajprice · Sep 24, 2005, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by jaydon34

But on another note there making progress with the 2.0 firmware. Things maybe looking up.

Yes indeed, homebrew on v2.0 is coming!

11011001 · 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by ink

Umm, it uses MPEG-4. It's hardly "proprietary" in any sense of the word.

I have all the Robot Chicken episodes on mine at the moment.

Have you ever tried to do this yourself (minus something like PSPWare of iPSP)? It's actually a very difficult and picky format. It's MPEG, but all your normal MPEG files cannot be used. You will have to re-encode them with the correct fps, bit rates, resolution.. etc.

If anyone is interested I can post the settings for mencoder.

Btw, if any of you want to use homebrew on 2.0 firmware and still have 1.5, download the update from Sony's site onto your computer, *now*. Don't install it however until someone writes a loader using the exploit. I expect sony will have an update addressing the exploit soon, and as such the old 2.0 firmware will no longer be available (it seems friday was a good day to release this).

I wouldn't be surprised if a loader was out tomorrow, or by sunday, as all one has to do is replace the embedded screen painter with an existing loader (or individual homebrew app).

ink · Sep 24, 2005, 08:35 PM

Hello World on 2.0 Firmware

If anyone is interested I can post the settings for mencoder.

Sure, I've been using PSPVideo9 to do it; but i prefer mencoder for other video encoding (ffmpeg rules!)