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Agasthya · Oct 4, 2005, 01:55 PM

So much for Jake Peavy being the difference in Game 1

But Carp has been horrible again. This cannot continue otherwise we are really screwed.

Agasthya · Oct 4, 2005, 04:26 PM

Wow, Isringhausen is ****ing terrible.

cjrivera · Oct 4, 2005, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Agasthya

So much for Jake Peavy being the difference in Game 1

But Carp has been horrible again. This cannot continue otherwise we are really screwed.

Carp gave up 3 hits in 6 scoreless innings. I know the DPs helped, but he surely wasn't horrible.

Now Izzy... he always makes things interesting in the 9th, no matter how much we're up by.

rickey939 · Oct 4, 2005, 04:50 PM

Rickey did really well...oh wait, nevermind...you said "Major League Baseball" in the thread title. Damn!

Agasthya · Oct 4, 2005, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by cjrivera

Carp gave up 3 hits in 6 scoreless innings. I know the DPs helped, but he surely wasn't horrible.

Now Izzy... he always makes things interesting in the 9th, no matter how much we're up by.

He wasn't sharp though. The reason they were scoreless innings was that we were facing the Padres and they are awful. Those hanging curve balls would be crushed by the AL teams.

Captain Obvious · Oct 4, 2005, 05:31 PM

I f@cking hate the DB errors in here.
FIx it already

cjrivera · Oct 4, 2005, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Agasthya

He wasn't sharp though. The reason they were scoreless innings was that we were facing the Padres and they are awful. Those hanging curve balls would be crushed by the AL teams.

I didn't see the game / the pitches he made. I was at work. Not the greatest outing, huh? Well, at least he was good enough to get the win.

Agasthya · Oct 4, 2005, 05:37 PM

Jake Peavy broke a rib in the 3rd inning and is done for the postseason.

sek929 · Oct 4, 2005, 06:23 PM

(red) Sox just got pummeled...

nredman · Oct 4, 2005, 06:33 PM

14-2....damn - to make it worse that assclown AJ had to hit two homers

teney7 · Oct 4, 2005, 06:37 PM

I would like to see it happen, but the Red Sox are not going back to the WS, IMO

waxcrash · Oct 4, 2005, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by sek929

(red) Sox just got pummeled...

That's because Clement was pitching - ex-Cub.

Dork. · Oct 4, 2005, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Agasthya

Wow, Isringhausen is ****ing terrible.

Must have been all those years on the Mets that ruined him....

Captain Obvious · Oct 4, 2005, 08:02 PM

Watching Arod get pegged with balls is funny.
Though I am sure it happens a lot more in his personal life than it happens on primetime..

sek929 · Oct 4, 2005, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by teney7

I would like to see it happen, but the Red Sox are not going back to the WS, IMO

I'd have to agree with you on this one.

Another party for us Sox fans in 80 years or so then?

Captain Obvious · Oct 5, 2005, 08:42 PM

sek929 · Oct 5, 2005, 10:21 PM

RGB · Oct 5, 2005, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by sek929

Captain Obvious · Oct 7, 2005, 06:39 PM

Some 6th inning though. Bring on NY

Dork. · Oct 7, 2005, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Some 6th inning though. Bring on NY

Since when did the Angels move to NY?

himself · Oct 7, 2005, 10:22 PM

Put it on the board...

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

South Side!

Cubeoid · Oct 7, 2005, 11:11 PM

Go Bears!

Cubeoid · Oct 7, 2005, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by rickey939

Daiiimn!

Fixed.

sek929 · Oct 8, 2005, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Some 6th inning though. Bring on NY

The 6th inning accounted for many a beer, whata heartbreaker (say in New England accent)

Agasthya · Oct 8, 2005, 03:52 PM

Cards are starting at 10pm local time today.

From 2002:

ST. LOUIS -- Commissioner Bud Selig has apologized to Cardinals fans for a late playoff start time this week, and he vowed it won't happen again.

The Cardinals opened the NL division series at Arizona on Tuesday night. The game began after 10 p.m. CDT, making it hard for many local fans to watch.

"To say I'm sorry is the understatement of the year," Selig told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Friday. "You can't imagine how badly I feel. The team fights all year to get into first place and this was not good."

The game started so late because the television networks that show the playoffs, along with baseball officials, do not want to have two games on at the same time.

There were three games Tuesday, and two were out West, complicating the broadcast schedule.

"Our people had pored over this for hundreds of hours with the networks," Selig said. "It's a very tough situation, one where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't."

Selig, however, said he has ordered that there will be no more repeat performances.

"I told our people, "No more 10 p.m. starts,' " Selig said. "That's the end of it."

Dork. · Oct 9, 2005, 07:54 PM

Wow, we must not have any Astros fans here! That was quite a game they played today, reminiscent of one 19(!) years ago that didn't go quite so well for the 'Stros.

Gotta hand it to Mr. Clemens, he earned his pay today.

And I'll recycle this image from the "What You Hate" thread a few days ago. I'll let you figure out what's in the bucket right now! Now, if the Angels can take care of the Yankees, then everything I wanted out of this postseason will have happened.

Oh, and as for the 10:00 starts, remember that Selig is a tool, and always will be a tool. The games will start when Fox and ESPN say they do, all Bud will do is wag his finger at them, but then do whatever they want. It's tough when you have a three-hour time difference to contend with. But not wanting to have more than one game going at once time is a bogus excuse. Heck, the Astros game nearly ran into the start of the Yankee game seven hours later! What was Fox goign to do: suspend the Astros game to let the Yankee game be played?

Captain Obvious · Oct 9, 2005, 11:08 PM

I am just glad the Cards advanced and the Yankees tied it up.
I want to play NY not the Angels. An all midwest WS would be fun.

Agasthya · Oct 9, 2005, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

I am just glad the Cards advanced and the Yankees tied it up.
I want to play NY not the Angels. An all midwest WS would be fun.

I'd love it because the networks would get so pissed that there aren't any "high value markets" in the WS.

Dork. · Oct 10, 2005, 02:00 PM

This article deserves a mention just because of the headline:

Big Unit, Wang available in Yanks' bullpen

paul w · Oct 10, 2005, 02:56 PM

Well duh, I think everybody knew that was coming. I actually like our chances with a ticked off Randy in the mix, plus Wang could fill that Mendoza "emotionless pitcher who eats up innings, getting ground balls" void we've had.

Course if we don't jump all over the Fat Bastard, the Angels' bullpen will shut us down and that'll be that. Time to earn that fat paycheck kids.

Dork. · Oct 10, 2005, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by paul w

Well duh, I think everybody knew that was coming. I actually like our chances with a ticked off Randy in the mix, plus Wang could fill that Mendoza "emotionless pitcher who eats up innings, getting ground balls" void we've had.

Course if we don't jump all over the Fat Bastard, the Angels' bullpen will shut us down and that'll be that. Time to earn that fat paycheck kids.

Dude, you don't get it... Big Unit.... Wang....
Never mind, it's probably too sophomoric for you.

paul w · Oct 10, 2005, 07:33 PM

I suppose I should admit I'm a big fan of Small. And it's pronounced Wahng, like magic wang. Hehe magic wang...

Yeah we've been making these jokes all year...

Captain Obvious · Oct 12, 2005, 10:05 PM

Wow. Just, WOW. Games being won on errors and non-earned runs.

This is why I wanted to play the NYY. They suck against teams like us and the Angels. This series is too evenly matched. Its going to be a long close series. But I am going to say it will be done in 6, because I have tickets to that game.
What a nutty bottom of the 9th.

Albert Pujols · Oct 12, 2005, 10:11 PM

Cards are going to win. Thats all I have to say.

Who wants my autograph?

Ghoser777 · Oct 12, 2005, 10:14 PM

As soon as that drop 3rd strike happened, I knew it was going to be trouble.

waxcrash · Oct 12, 2005, 10:17 PM

That was hilarious. Those umpires need glasses.

Captain Obvious · Oct 12, 2005, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by waxcrash

That was hilarious. Those umpires need glasses.

There were a few questionable calls last night and one earlier in the game today.
It was about time one went our way.

sek929 · Oct 12, 2005, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

There were a few questionable calls last night and one earlier in the game today.
It was about time one went our way.

Exactly, it all comes around.

<-- Rooting for the White Sox now, cuz they need one too.

RGB · Oct 12, 2005, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by waxcrash

That was hilarious. Those umpires need glasses.

That picture seems to show the ball hitting the ground...

rickey939 · Oct 12, 2005, 10:58 PM

paul w · Oct 12, 2005, 11:11 PM

The guy caught it but he didn't wait for out to be called. All he had to do was tag the runner or throw to first.

Seems like the umps are loving the close and controversial calls this year. The Angels - Yankees series had a couple headscratchers as well.

Ah well, that's baseball.

driven · Oct 13, 2005, 02:24 AM

"that's baseball" ... maybe ... but I don't remember so many controversial calls in so few very important games.

It really makes one question the integrity of the sport. First Pete Rose, then the 'roid scandals, now shady umpires. <sigh>

I'm ready to go and pretend wrestling is real. This call and the one that called the Yankees out at first in Game 5 of the ALDS are just disgusting. Even if you win, how proud can you be of that win?

driven · Oct 13, 2005, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by RGB

That picture seems to show the ball hitting the ground...

It's on top of the webbing of the glove ... no ground.

flabasha · Oct 13, 2005, 03:28 AM

I'm a Giants fan, so technically I should be happy the Angels got skrewed (after they beat us in the Series), but...

That was the most cartoonishly bad call since the Jeffrey Maier "home run".

What makes it amazing is that it was actually TWO bonehead mistakes by the ump. One, to miss the fact that the ball was indeed caught (even if it had been close, you never make that call. The rule is for a wild pitch, not a trapped ball). The second was that he actually SIGNALED that it was an out, so the Angels stopped playing.

It's like a ref in football blowing the whistle, the defense stops playing, but the guy with the ball keeps running into the end zone... and then the ref says, "Oops, sorry about blowing that whistle. My bad. Touchdown."

That ump's career is ruined. He can hang out with Don Denkinger, drinking and crying.

driven · Oct 13, 2005, 07:13 AM

Funny you bring up Don Denkinger being that the cards may end up in the series again. Could we see a repeat of that infamous game? The way these ups are operating, it's quite possible.

rickey939 · Oct 13, 2005, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by driven

Funny you bring up Don Denkinger being that the cards may end up in the series again. Could we see a repeat of that infamous game? The way these ups are operating, it's quite possible.

Go Royals!

nredman · Oct 13, 2005, 07:53 AM

i was bummed that the umps messed up that call but what are you going to do. as long as the white sox dont win the series.

Dork. · Oct 13, 2005, 08:10 AM

Maybe someone paid the Ump to throw the game? It's been known to happen in Chicago....

davesimondotcom · Oct 13, 2005, 10:48 AM

An official's job in every professional sport is to regulate the game so that it is played within the rules. However, the umpire in a baseball game is the most involved of any sport. Because they make judgements on balls and strikes and who is out and who is safe.

But an unwritten law of umpiring is that the umpire should never become a factor in deciding the outcome of a game.

Let's come right out and say it. The umpires screwed up BIG TIME last night. And the Angels have plenty to complain about.

I'm not going to say that the ball was "clearly" caught or "clearly" bounced. What was perfectly clear is that the home plate umpire called the batter out on strikes. He, in fact, indicated that two times.

Should the catcher have just tagged the guy to be sure? Maybe. But how many times on a third strike for the third out do catchers just run off and roll the ball to the mound? Most of the time.

When I played Legion ball, in the state tourney, an umpire called me out on strikes, but the third strike was most definitely a ball. He just said the wrong thing. And he had to stick by it. So I was out. The next time up, the pitcher fired the first pitch right down the heart of the plate for a ball. The ump said to me, "I owed you one."

The umps owe the Angels one.

Dork. · 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

Let's come right out and say it. The umpires screwed up BIG TIME last night. And the Angels have plenty to complain about.

I'm not going to say that the ball was "clearly" caught or "clearly" bounced. What was perfectly clear is that the home plate umpire called the batter out on strikes. He, in fact, indicated that two times.

Should the catcher have just tagged the guy to be sure? Maybe. But how many times on a third strike for the third out do catchers just run off and roll the ball to the mound? Most of the time.

Yup. I didn't see the play in question yet (I went to bed immediately after the Other Game ended), but from every account I've read, the umpire made no indication that the catch wasn't caught cleanly. In fact, just like you stated, he seemed to clearly indicate that the player was out. The correct thing to do would have been to stick to "the ruling on the field", to borrrow a phrase from the pigskin guys.

It's one thing if the defense wasn't paying attention. But in this case, there was enough ambiguity in what the umpire did that the catcher should not be held at fault. The plate umpire screwed up the call, the crew chief screwed things up by not overruling him.