[olePigeon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4337888.stm

A cool article about a new dinosaur dug up. It's part of the raptor family, but it predates most flying dinosaurs by a several million years. So it is possible the flying dinosaurs may have been around during the Jurrassic period (about 206 to 144 million years ago) then died off during the first mass extinction, then over several million years developed flight again.

Interesting.

THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS THREAD.

[MacNStein]

Sure, I don't see why not. If the conditions match, I'd say that any species can develop such traits.

<- Not a biologist

[Judge_Fire]

Ahem, bats? Insects?

J

[RAILhead]

/got nothin

[nonhuman]

But we already know powered flight evolved more than twice...

It evolved once in birds, once in insects, and once in mammals, and even once in fish (hatchetfish, not flyingfish which actually glide and so do not count as powered flight). So really what they're saying is that it might have evolved five times (six, if you count humans). It's only twice for the bird/dinosaur (ornitho-saurian?) branch.

[Fred_Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

So really what they're saying is that it might have evolved five times (six, if you count humans).

I would say 7 looking at your sig.

[olePigeon]

Twice seperately in a related species, not overall. I guss I shoulda rephrased that.

[bad_quote]

WOW! It sure is amazing god had to invent 2 times for the same species!!!

[MacNStein]

^ Idiot. Stop derailing this thread.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Fred_Cokebottle

I would say 7 looking at your sig.

I mean on your puny planet.

[bad_quote]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

^ Idiot. Stop derailing this thread.

I'm not! I found jesus as my savior and I just am in awe in the glory and power of god! He made that species fly not once, but twice! It must mean like we can be bad, but be forgiven and allowed a 2nd chance on being a good christian! Wow!

[Fred_Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

I mean on your puny planet.

I am sure the chicks in my planet are hotter than the ones in yours!

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by bad_quote

I'm not! I found jesus as my savior and I just am in awe in the glory and power of god! He made that species fly not once, but twice! It must mean like we can be bad, but be forgiven and allowed a 2nd chance on being a good christian! Wow!

So what you're saying is the the whole story of Jesus is just an allegory for the development of flight in dinosaurs. Thus proving that dinosaurs and man walked the Earth at the same time and therefore that the Young Earthers are right.

Wow, I feel so misguided.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Fred_Cokebottle

I am sure the chicks in my planet are hotter than the ones in yours!

Why do you think I live in California now?

[Fred_Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Why do you think I live in California now?

I think the hottest ones are in Philipines actually! Come over and check it out!

[starman]

[MindFad]

^ I'd evolve it.™

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by bad_quote

WOW! It sure is amazing god had to invent 2 times for the same species!!!

That's why there was a mass extinction. He messed up and started over.

"DAMN IT!" *throws giant meteor at the Earth*
"OK, the flight thing was a good idea. Stick with that. Let's try fur and feathers this time."

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by Fred_Cokebottle

I would say 7 looking at your sig.

8 if you count flying spiders.
A few more if you count plants' seeds that glide or catch the wind.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by iLikebeer

8 if you count flying spiders.
A few more if you count plants' seeds that glide or catch the wind.

That's why I made the distinction of powered flight. Spiders, seeds, flying squirrels, flyingfish, and hang-gliders don't count.

[Fred_Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

That's why I made the distinction of powered flight. Spiders, seeds, flying squirrels, flyingfish, and hang-gliders don't count.

All flights are powered, at least by the wind. You should have said self-powered flight.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Fred_Cokebottle

All flights are powered, at least by the wind. You should have said self-powered flight.

Powered flight commonly refers to exactly that. The Wright brothers have the distinction of creating the first, heavier than air, powered aircraft. Successful gliders had already been created. Hatchetfish have actual powered flight in which they flap their pectoral fins to maintain their altitude while flyingfish merely glide. This is fairly standard terminology.

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Powered flight commonly refers to exactly that. The Wright brothers have the distinction of creating the first, heavier than air, powered aircraft. Successful gliders had already been created. Hatchetfish have actual powered flight in which they flap their pectoral fins to maintain their altitude while flyingfish merely glide. This is fairly standard terminology.

Actually, the Wrights had the first heavier than air, sustained, controlled, powered flight.

Samuel Langley tried to launch his aircraft, the "aerodrome" off a ship twice before the Wrights' momentous flight. Hiram Maxim made many aircraft in the 1890's. Many others were doing the same, but noone was successful until the Wrights.

[Fred_Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Powered flight commonly refers to exactly that. The Wright brothers have the distinction of creating the first, heavier than air, powered aircraft. Successful gliders had already been created. Hatchetfish have actual powered flight in which they flap their pectoral fins to maintain their altitude while flyingfish merely glide. This is fairly standard terminology.

Ah! You assumed.

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by Fred_Cokebottle

I think the hottest ones are in Philipines actually! Come over and check it out!

for me Philippines = Jollybee.

mmmm.