[james9490]

I've been hearing all sorts of things about Apple lately even via non-Apple news sites. Then, my kids have been whining and complaining lately about how they want iPod and iMac for Christmas, and my wife is now joining the whining team as well because of her Mac-using fanatic friends at her work. (sigh) so I gave in and visited an Apple Store during my last business trip.

Okay, I let you have this one: Apple Store is really nice, and it makes their computers look.... enticing. Hell, I even let myself give in some more and played with PowerBooks and G5s. They look and feel.......great. It was a cool place, I just wish it was Windows store.

So, the Mac wasn't all that bad after all? Well, HELL NO. Unfortunately I found just way too many flaws. Here are some questions I have for you guys.

- Where is protocol binding setting and WINS configuration on the Mac? It seems like the Mac gives you much less configuration options compared to Windows. For example, there is no way to store multiple gateways. On Windows I can add/remove various protocols and bind them to separate devices, but where is that on the Mac? There is not even a Workgroup setting panel, so it doesn't look promising in putting a Mac in my home network which is all Windows-based.

- Where is Add/Remove Programs? I looked everywhere and there seems to be no safe way to uninstall applications. (I can't afford to let my kids mess up the system because I would be the one to clean up their mess.)

- Where is system registry editor? There is no way of optimizing system performance and customize the OS without it.

- My kids want cool screen savers, but the shareware they are using right now isn't available for the Mac. How do you handle that?

- Where is Internet Explorer? My wife's bank site requires her to use it. "Safari" seems to be an alternative on your platform but it seems a bit proprietary to me.

- Apple Mail program looks similar to Outlook Express, but it doesn't look like it can check Hotmail.com accounts. I looked everywhere and didn't find a setting for that.

- On Windows, you can browse local files in IE, then in the same window you can quickly type a web site URL in the address box and quickly access web sites without having to switch to IE. It seems to me that there is nothing like that on the Mac. "Finder" doesn't allow you to browse web sites. How would that be "Internet-friendly?"

[Athens]

I'll have to answer this later again for you, I spent 20 min replying and ****-ing Internet Explorer crashes on me when I post it losing it all so now im to pissed off to do it again.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by james9490

I've been hearing all sorts of things about Apple lately even via non-Apple news sites. Then, my kids have been whining and complaining lately about how they want iPod and iMac for Christmas, and my wife is now joining the whining team as well because of her Mac-using fanatic friends at her work. (sigh) so I gave in and visited an Apple Store during my last business trip.

Okay, I let you have this one: Apple Store is really nice, and it makes their computers look.... enticing. Hell, I even let myself give in some more and played with PowerBooks and G5s. They look and feel.......great. It was a cool place, I just wish it was Windows store.

So, the Mac wasn't all that bad after all? Well, HELL NO. Unfortunately I found just way too many flaws. Here are some questions I have for you guys.

- Where is protocol binding setting and WINS configuration on the Mac? It seems like the Mac gives you much less configuration options compared to Windows. For example, there is no way to store multiple gateways. On Windows I can add/remove various protocols and bind them to separate devices, but where is that on the Mac? There is not even a Workgroup setting panel, so it doesn't look promising in putting a Mac in my home network which is all Windows-based.

Get back to this one later, it was super easy to get my Mac and Windows machine seeing each other, but i cant remmeber the options off hand.

- Where is Add/Remove Programs? I looked everywhere and there seems to be no safe way to uninstall applications. (I can't afford to let my kids mess up the system because I would be the one to clean up their mess.)

Programs are usally self contained. Installing is as simple as droping the program in the applications folder, deleting is as simple as dumping it in the trash. Also its pretty hard to much up OS X, completly different beast from Windows. For example no registry.

- Where is system registry editor? There is no way of optimizing system performance and customize the OS without it.

This is not windows, you cant keep thinking of the computer as Windows that looks different. Its a totally different beast. To optimize the computer you have to learn about bindings.

- My kids want cool screen savers, but the shareware they are using right now isn't available for the Mac. How do you handle that?

There are usally similar ones out there under different names, look at version tracker for some www.versiontracker.com, the OS includes some real nice ones

- Where is Internet Explorer? My wife's bank site requires her to use it. "Safari" seems to be an alternative on your platform but it seems a bit proprietary to me.

www.mactopia.com but Microsoft hasent done any development on it for a long time, your better off using Safari and Firefox. All the banksoftware ive used that required IE also worked with Safari

- Apple Mail program looks similar to Outlook Express, but it doesn't look like it can check Hotmail.com accounts. I looked everywhere and didn't find a setting for that.

Nope, you need Outlook Express which isnt OS X native or Microsoft Office which comes with a mail client a bit better then Outlook

- On Windows, you can browse local files in IE, then in the same window you can quickly type a web site URL in the address box and quickly access web sites without having to switch to IE. It seems to me that there is nothing like that on the Mac. "Finder" doesn't allow you to browse web sites. How would that be "Internet-friendly?"

I hear you on this one, but that is also one of Windows weaknesses is the intergration of IE into Explorer.exe as well. There is a menu in the finder again im on Windows at work right now, that will let u type in URL's but it will open up Safari for that or what ever you have set your machines defualt browser to be.

[Athens]

oh now it finally posts argh with out the changes I made bah

[ShotgunEd]

I know you are just trolling, but I'll reply anyways.

Originally Posted by james9490

- Where is protocol binding setting and WINS configuration on the Mac? It seems like the Mac gives you much less configuration options compared to Windows. For example, there is no way to store multiple gateways. On Windows I can add/remove various protocols and bind them to separate devices, but where is that on the Mac? There is not even a Workgroup setting panel, so it doesn't look promising in putting a Mac in my home network which is all Windows-based.

Whatever will your kids do without this?

- Where is Add/Remove Programs? I looked everywhere and there seems to be no safe way to uninstall applications. (I can't afford to let my kids mess up the system because I would be the one to clean up their mess.)

If an app needs to be uninstalled (which is rare) it will be built into the installer or come on the disk image with the installer. Otherwise you drag the .app to the bin and thats it.

- Where is system registry editor? There is no way of optimizing system performance and customize the OS without it.

There is no registry. You don't need it.

- My kids want cool screen savers, but the shareware they are using right now isn't available for the Mac. How do you handle that?

There are eleventy billion shareware screensavers available for mac. Check macupdate.com.

- Where is Internet Explorer? My wife's bank site requires her to use it. "Safari" seems to be an alternative on your platform but it seems a bit proprietary to me.

There are a plethora of browsers for MacOS, IE can be downloaded from microsoft.com/mac/ if you really want it.

- Apple Mail program looks similar to Outlook Express, but it doesn't look like it can check Hotmail.com accounts. I looked everywhere and didn't find a setting for that.

Microsoft have discontinued Outlook (and Mail) support for Hotmail. If it still works for you its only a matter of time before it stops. You need some sort of premium hotmail account for that now.

- On Windows, you can browse local files in IE, then in the same window you can quickly type a web site URL in the address box and quickly access web sites without having to switch to IE. It seems to me that there is nothing like that on the Mac. "Finder" doesn't allow you to browse web sites. How would that be "Internet-friendly?"

Your computer is not the internet, don't treat it as such.

[Ozmodiar]

Wow, you guys were a lot more civil than I would have been.

james, switching to a Mac isn't just about having nicer-looking hardware. Your list of complaints is meaningless because, as they said, Mac OS is a whole different beast.

"Safari" seems to be an alternative on your platform but it seems a bit proprietary to me.

That's my favorite line in the whole post.

[Hawkeye_a]

James ? how old are you ? is it you ? you seem like you went from 13-30 in a couple of weeks. lol

It was a cool place, I just wish it was Windows store.

Well **** dude, do something about it. complain to Microsoft/Intel/Dell/HP/whoever makes your computers. Apple makes computers, and like you finally seem to realize, they do a better job at it.

To answer your points, which im only answering cause i had similar questions when switching back in 1999, so i recognize them as being legitimate questions as opposed to trolling.....

- Where is protocol binding setting and WINS configuration on the Mac? It seems like the Mac gives you much less configuration options compared to Windows. For example, there is no way to store multiple gateways. On Windows I can add/remove various protocols and bind them to separate devices, but where is that on the Mac? There is not even a Workgroup setting panel, so it doesn't look promising in putting a Mac in my home network which is all Windows-based.

Personally ive never had an issue with this stuff...and i admit i dont know half of what your on about. I use my Powerbook on campus, both wirelessley and via eithernet, and dialup(yes )) at home. Refer to location manager for different settings. As far as the other stuff...clear your mind of it, it's not really necessary o nthe mac, you can use those braincells for something else.

- Where is Add/Remove Programs? I looked everywhere and there seems to be no safe way to uninstall applications. (I can't afford to let my kids mess up the system because I would be the one to clean up their mess.)
No such thing, i was confused as well at first. On the mac, with the exception of some Apple applications, Adobe, Alias and most Microsoft applications, uninstalling, is as simple as dragging the application/folder to the trash can. No registery like windows, if your kids do just delete an application, you dont go into "safe mode" you dont have to clean up any registory, everything will still work. (One big reason i love the mac from a user's perspective).

- Where is system registry editor? There is no way of optimizing system performance and customize the OS without it.

Why do you care ? Apple knows how to optomize the OS the best, so leave it to them. As far as customizations, there are many apps out there for that, even though theres no reason to. IF you switch to the Mac, a lot of these windows-only, terms become obsolete and you start to realize that things...just work for u, instead of getting in your way all the time.

- My kids want cool screen savers, but the shareware they are using right now isn't available for the Mac. How do you handle that?

Simple use alternative stuff or make your own. Personally i wouldnt install just any freeware/shareware due to security, but if Disney, Nintendo,etc can put out MacOSX versions of screensavers that should be plenty.

- Where is Internet Explorer? My wife's bank site requires her to use it. "Safari" seems to be an alternative on your platform but it seems a bit proprietary to me.

Firebird, Netscape, Mozilla, IE are available as well...but it, just like it's windows cousin, sucks...big time.

- Apple Mail program looks similar to Outlook Express, but it doesn't look like it can check Hotmail.com accounts. I looked everywhere and didn't find a setting for that.

Hotmail, use Entourage in Office v.Mac, or use a web browser.

- On Windows, you can browse local files in IE, then in the same window you can quickly type a web site URL in the address box and quickly access web sites without having to switch to IE. It seems to me that there is nothing like that on the Mac. "Finder" doesn't allow you to browse web sites. How would that be "Internet-friendly?

Thats because a file browser and internet browser are different things, there's no practical/logical reason to combine it, it only confuses consumers. Why dont we have a web browser, file browser, word processor and photo editing in the same window ? apart from being memory hogs, its awfully complicated (like IE is).

The questions you ask are typical of Windows users. The only thing you need to worry about when switching to a Mac from Windows, is figuring out what to do with all that brainpower that's freed up for you. trust me its significant. And you'll be at the forefront of technology years before Microsoft copies it, which is geekily-cool.

Oh and....games, get an GameCube, PS2 or XBox. saves a lot of money from constantly upgrading ur PC.

I got my PowerBook in April 2002(so it'll be almost 4 years in April), my GameCube in December 2002, and i still dont see the need to invest in any hardware....very easy on the wallet. Ive only purchased extra RAM, Airport card and a second adapter for the Powerbook.

The initial cost of owning a mac is a BIT higher than buying a PC, but the long term costs are MUCH LOWER. you get an asthetically pleasing (both hardware and software) computer experience and at the cutting edge of technology.

If you still want to use Windows, try and lobby them to improve their own designs (instead of imitating Apple everytime).

Hope that helped.

Cheers

[ism]

For info: There is a http mail plugin in for Mail.app that works with Hotmail. Search version tracker for it.

Ah, I'm glad James is back.

I can't tell if he is real or a hoax, but either way I enjoy the entertainment.

AND if you are real and your wife wants a mac, well that's it then: "Welcome"

[Mastrap]

You guys do realize when somebody is having you on, right?

[RAILhead]

This will be a fun thread as soon as James gets back from the babysitter and jumps online via his AOL dialup connection.

[effgee]

Originally Posted by the mildly retarded james94whatever

... It was a cool place, I just wish it was Windows store ...

Windows store? WINS configuration? Add/Remove programs? Registry editor? Screen savers? Internet Explorer? Safari proprietary? Hotmail accounts? Finder browsing web sites?



**wipestearsfromeyes**

Dude, you have got to stop posting stuff like that this early in the morning - I damn near spit coffee all over my $2500 laptop.

[Y3a]

More people hose up there windows environment playing with the registry, that I wonder why it's available? Oh, thats right, MS snoops it while you are "updating your system"..

[rickey939]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

This will be a fun thread as soon as James gets back from the babysitter and jumps online via his AOL dialup connection.

Indeed.

[effgee]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

This will be a fun thread as soon as James gets back from his playdate and jumps online via his MSN dialup connection.

fixed™

[Oneota]

Originally Posted by james9490

- Where is protocol binding setting and WINS configuration on the Mac? It seems like the Mac gives you much less configuration options compared to Windows. For example, there is no way to store multiple gateways. On Windows I can add/remove various protocols and bind them to separate devices, but where is that on the Mac? There is not even a Workgroup setting panel, so it doesn't look promising in putting a Mac in my home network which is all Windows-based.

/Utilities/Directory Access, then double-click SMB/CIFS. There, you'll find Workgroup config and WINS server config. As for multiple gateways, I'm not sure - probably have to take a trip to the Terminal, but it seems like it ought to be doable.

[Diggory Laycock]

Is this a joke?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ism

Ah, I'm glad James is back.

tooki has some spare time and is messing with us again

-t

[ShotgunEd]

Originally Posted by ism

For info: There is a http mail plugin in for Mail.app that works with Hotmail. Search version tracker for it.

Like I posted above, this doesn't work anymore because MS are charging for Outlook and Mail access to hotmail.

Originally Posted by Mastrap

You guys do realize when somebody is having you on, right?

I had reckoned this, but since some of the questions are quite valid from a potential switchers point of view, I humoured him.

[Millennium]

So much for 'never coming back', eh James? Thirsty for more trolling?

To fill some of the other posters here in on James' history, he is a troll from several months back, who posts only to make people angry. Despite his claims to be some kind of 'expert engineer', his technical acumen seems to be more on the level of a precocious middle-schooler who's just learned the wonders of playing Dead or Alive: Extreme Beach Volleyball one-handed. As you may have noticed, his points are easily refuted yet he parrots them endlessly.

The mods at MacNN decided to keep him around rather than banning him, because he serves a useful purpose: people get mad at him and vent their flames in his direction, thus cooling off the rest of the board significantly. After a while, he claimed to 'get sick of us' and left, asking me to delete his account (which, by the way, I can't do). I forwarded his request to the admins, but it seems they decided not to bother, and now it seems he's back. I'm going to assume that once again, it's open season on him.

Originally Posted by james9490

- Where is protocol binding setting and WINS configuration on the Mac? It seems like the Mac gives you much less configuration options compared to Windows. For example, there is no way to store multiple gateways. On Windows I can add/remove various protocols and bind them to separate devices, but where is that on the Mac?

It's not necessary, and therefore ignored. Have you ever seen anyone actually use these options on Windows? Not likely. It's just a way of manually setting things which should be assumed and automatic. This is a case where Windows makes things harder than they have to be for no real purpose or gain.

There is not even a Workgroup setting panel, so it doesn't look promising in putting a Mac in my home network which is all Windows-based.

It's in the Directory Access application, actually.

- Where is Add/Remove Programs? I looked everywhere and there seems to be no safe way to uninstall applications. (I can't afford to let my kids mess up the system because I would be the one to clean up their mess.)

Drag the application onto the hard drive to install it. Drag the application off of the hard drive to uninstall it. This is managed through OSX's system of packages and bundles, whereby most applications keep their files together, rather than spewing them at pseudo-random locations on the hard drive. Windows' "Add/Remove Programs" system is once again just Microsoft making things difficult when it doesn't have to be.

- Where is system registry editor? There is no way of optimizing system performance and customize the OS without it.

There is no system registry, because that is an incredibly poor OS design which has caused more problems and security holes than it has ever fixed. It's possible -even easy- to optimize system performance and customize the OS on a Mac, but you do it in other ways.

- My kids want cool screen savers, but the shareware they are using right now isn't available for the Mac. How do you handle that?

By downloading other screen savers.

- Where is Internet Explorer? My wife's bank site requires her to use it. "Safari" seems to be an alternative on your platform but it seems a bit proprietary to me.

Internet Explorer is proprietary. You can easily set up Safari to lie about what it is, so that your bank's incompetently-programmed site will not disallow it, and guess what: in most cases it works.

- Apple Mail program looks similar to Outlook Express, but it doesn't look like it can check Hotmail.com accounts. I looked everywhere and didn't find a setting for that.

That is because Microsoft deliberately cripples Hotmail so that only OE can access it.

- On Windows, you can browse local files in IE, then in the same window you can quickly type a web site URL in the address box and quickly access web sites without having to switch to IE. It seems to me that there is nothing like that on the Mac. "Finder" doesn't allow you to browse web sites. How would that be "Internet-friendly?"

Finder is a file manager, not a Web browser. Integrating the two in Windows is useless bloat which has, once again, caused more problems than it has ever solved.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Diggory Laycock

Is this a joke?

I'm almost certain. Even James couldn't manage to ask quite that many textbook-case new-to-the-world-of-Macs questions all at once without trying.

Regardless, chuckle I did.

[ism]

Shotgun,

Sorry, I scanned through I didn't see that you posted that.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Millennium

So much for 'never coming back', eh James? Thirsty for more trolling?

To fill some of the other posters here in on James' history, he is a troll from several months back, who posts only to make people angry.

Mill, I don't get you. You KNOW James is a troll, but you still answer to his "questions" ?
Do you have too much time ? Bored ?

-t

[ShotgunEd]

turtle777, I think millennium might refer you to my response on that matter.

And ISM, thats inexcusable.

[wdlove]

Apple is awesome.

[Ozmodiar]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

This will be a fun thread as soon as James gets back from the babysitter and jumps online via his AOL dialup connection.

I can't wait to show him this really cool banner I just made in Paint Shop Pro and printed off with my dot matrix printer.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

These are the funniest windows guys questions ever.

Who bases a computer purchase on a screen-saver?

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

These are the funniest windows guys questions ever.

Who bases a computer purchase on a screen-saver?

You'd be surprised the sorts of things that get people to buy computers. Having worked at Best Buy I have to say that... people buy computers for the dumbest reasons. The biggest prompter to get people to buy a new PC? Their old one feels slow now because they've loaded it with viruses, spy ware, and other resource hogging things that make it a pain to use. They don't realize that this is going to happen all over again soon enough for em.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

Who bases a computer purchase on a screen-saver?

Windows users, why are you asking?

-t

[Goldfinger]

Heeeeeeeerrrree's john....err jaaaaameees !!!

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

These are the funniest windows guys questions ever.

Who bases a computer purchase on a screen-saver?

who bases a computer purchase on MSN video-chat compatibility?

Or on case color?

Or on size?

One thing I've learned selling these things: People have the darndest reasons for their decisions, and unless they can be explicitly refuted (as with all of James 94xx points EVER except for Hotmail access via Mail), they're right.

That goes doubly once kids are involved.

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by effgee

Windows store? WINS configuration? Add/Remove programs? Registry editor? Screen savers? Internet Explorer? Safari proprietary? Hotmail accounts? Finder browsing web sites?



**wipestearsfromeyes**

Dude, you have got to stop posting stuff like that this early in the morning - I damn near spit coffee all over my $2500 laptop.

Ditto.

[ReggieX]

Just get banned already, you stupid troll.

[Tesseract]

Originally Posted by analogika

People have the darndest reasons for their decisions, and unless they can be explicitly refuted (as with all of James 94xx points EVER except for Hotmail access via Mail), they're right.

No need to qualify that statement.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/httpmail-plugin

[itistoday]

(I feel sorry for his kids...) *ducks*

[kiskynet]

[Mister Elf]

Thought we'd seen the last of you, James! Damn.

Oh well...I'll play along. Like an earlier poster said, you need to stop thinking of Mac OS X as Windows with a different GUI.

Here are some points:

1.) Mac OS X has no registry. Sorry.

2.) Use "Location Manager" to set multiple network settings.

3.) Are you really complaining that there are no cheap spyware crap screensaver programs for the Mac? Muahahahaha!!!

4.) Safari is, arguably, better than MIE for all sites that don't have drunk designers.

5.) Why the hell do you use hotmail? Get a Gmail account. http://www.gmail.com

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Mister Elf

5.) Why the hell do you use hotmail? Get a Gmail account. http://www.gmail.com

Because he is bill gates' "houseboy".

[JoshuaZ]

Towelboy.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by smacintush

Because he is bill gates' "houseboy".

I believe the term you are looking for is lap monkey.

[brokenjago]

I want to see how he replies to this, so I'm going to post in here so it automatically subscribes me to this thread and I can see the updates.

James! Welcome back, old "friend".

Oh, and my 2 (or 3 or 4) cents:

1) There is no registry in Mac OS X (thank the lord above.)
2) To Add/Remove (almost all) programs, you do exactly that: Add them by dragging them to your apps folder, or remove them by dragging them to the trash. Fancy that!
3) With the WINS thing, AFAIK, Mac OS X does it all for you. Just plug it in, and it works... isn't that something?

Can't wait to get my first Mac . Soon! Sooooon.

[Tesseract]

Originally Posted by Salty

I believe the term you are looking for is lap monkey.

I believe the term we are looking for is alter ego.

(That would explain a lot.)

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by brokenjago

Can't wait to get my first Mac . Soon! Sooooon.

cool. which one you saving up for ? im going to get a new mac may-june next year. ive had this powerbook for 4 years now, and its had a great run. The new iMacs are looking MIGHTY tasty.

Cheers

[ShotgunEd]

Originally Posted by Tesseract

No need to qualify that statement.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/httpmail-plugin

For the third time, this DOESNT work.

MS crippled Hotmail so you can't use Outlook or Mail (even with the plugin) without paying a premium.

So, the statement needn't be qualified because Windows users can't even access Hotmail from outside their browser without paying for it.

Please read the topic, then maybe you won't post incorrect information.

Oh and if your Hotmail does work with outlook then its because its an old account and its only a matter of time before MS get around to crippling it, as discussed in the HTTPMail plugin documentation.

[Tesseract]

Originally Posted by ShotgunEd

For the third time, this DOESNT work.

MS crippled Hotmail so you can't use Outlook or Mail (even with the plugin) without paying a premium.

So, the statement needn't be qualified because Windows users can't even access Hotmail from outside their browser without paying for it.

Please read the topic, then maybe you won't post incorrect information.

Oh and if your Hotmail does work with outlook then its because its an old account and its only a matter of time before MS get around to crippling it, as discussed in the HTTPMail plugin documentation.

The point is that Mail (with the plugin) is just as capable as Outlook when it comes to accessing Hotmail accounts. (They may both be incapable of accessing some accounts - but there's nothing Outlook can do that Mail.app can't when it comes to Hotmail access, AFAIK [I don't use Outlook].)

[as2]

Originally Posted by analogika

who bases a computer purchase on MSN video-chat compatibility?

Use Mercury for MSN Video Chat on a mac.

[ShotgunEd]

Originally Posted by Tesseract

The point is that Mail (with the plugin) is just as capable as Outlook when it comes to accessing Hotmail accounts. (They may both be incapable of accessing some accounts - but there's nothing Outlook can do that Mail.app can't when it comes to Hotmail access, AFAIK [I don't use Outlook].)

Ok, I'm glad that we are clear on that. It seemed people were ignoring my post(s) on the subject.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Mill, I don't get you. You KNOW James is a troll, but you still answer to his "questions" ?
Do you have too much time ? Bored ?

Having declared open season on James, it is my duty as a moderator to set an example for the readership by kicking him six ways from Sunday, is it not?

[ism]

Come on James. Please don't fail us. You can't go around getting our hopes up like this and then not deliver the goods.

[brokenjago]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

cool. which one you saving up for ? im going to get a new mac may-june next year. ive had this powerbook for 4 years now, and its had a great run. The new iMacs are looking MIGHTY tasty.

I've had my heart set on an iBook 12"/iMac 20" combo (that's combonation, not combo drive) knockout that would keep me going far into the Intel Transition. The way they structured the price of these new iMacs makes them about $600 less expensive for me, so they just got a lot easier to buy!

Although the PowerMac G5 Quad is sooooooooooooo tempting.

As is the 15" PowerBook.

Must resist. MUST RESIST!

(Don't have the money for the G5 anyway, so it's not like it's that hard to resist )

So yeah. iMac/iBook combo for $2998 before tax. Sweet deal, to say the least!

Although I've heard that the new iMacs don't allow the user to remove and replace the HD. Is this true?

Aaaaand @ ism. Too True, Too True.

[olePigeon]

Double post.