[air]

I want to be able to scratch and at some point mix **** together. I know that I need to get Technics. So im looking on ebay just for one and probably a mixer soon after.

is this one okay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Technics-1200-Tu...QQcmdZViewItem

[SuvsareRetarded]

You don't need to get technics. Other brands offer more torque and features for a lower price. Technics tables are solidly built, but ultimately their price is jacked up because of the brand name.

[SuvsareRetarded]

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ight=turntable

I was Zoroaster68 back then. Check my posts.

[air]

okay. im pretty set on stanton.

which one should i get, as an amateur.

http://www.stantondj.com/v2/turntables.asp

[Nivag]

i've got the Stanton STR8.150 and it's excellent - but any of the Stanton decks are damn good, IMO.

Loads of torque on my one.

[air]

anything cheaper?
i really dont want to spend more than 150-200 per table as I am a poor college student.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Don't get an adjustable tone arm. It's pretty much pointless. The standard tonearms are fine, without all the doodads for adjusting the height and everything. It's basically just for show. Get any of them, but get something with direct drive. Try ebay.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

You don't need to get technics. Other brands offer more torque and features for a lower price. Technics tables are solidly built, but ultimately their price is jacked up because of the brand name.

Why does this sound so familiar? I think you're a troll...you smells like it...wait, wait, he tastes like it too.....TROLL!!!...run for your life!!!!tres1!

[SuvsareRetarded]

I don't see how pointing out the pricejacking on technics 1200s is trollish. It's the truth.

[air]

I dunno. I just trying to learn. I watched the documentary "Scratch" and just noticed that Technics seemed to be the staple of te DJs.

[rozwado1]

Originally Posted by air

11:55 am
I know that I need to get Technics.

Originally Posted by air

1:29 pm
okay. im pretty set on stanton.

What are you planning on mixing: hip hop, electronic, etc...?

...and if you're a poor college student worrying about $200 decks, how are you going to buy vinyl?

[MM-o4]

Technics they are 'standard' for all that.
Vestrax make nice turnys to but.
If the Technics decks are in good nick then get them.
You'll want a Shure stylus, they rock for cutting. http://www.shure.com/phono/catphono.html


MM

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by air

I dunno. I just trying to learn. I watched the documentary "Scratch" and just noticed that Technics seemed to be the staple of te DJs.

It was industry standard because htey were much better tahn anything else. Now other companies are producing tables that have better features than the 1200s, but they aren't solid metal like the 1200s. 1200s are like tanks, they can stand the abuse of live performance every night for years. That doesn't mean other tables aren't durable, they're just not of the same construction materials.

[air]

okay. i ordered two stanton st-100's. what about cartridges/styli
(as i just found out they dont come with any)

[Y3a]

<< Don't get an adjustable tone arm. It's pretty much pointless. The standard tonearms are fine, without all the doodads for adjusting the height and everything. It's basically just for show. Get any of them, but get something with direct drive. Try ebay. >>

This post DISQUALIFIES YOU from knowing what you are blabbing about!


Technic's are fine
So are Thorens,
Grace and a host of fine used tables.

What are you gonna do with it?

Audiophile or DJ?

[Y3a]

Stanton 881 series. If you're gonna scratch, use a sphereical stylus, not elliptical, and they damage the grooves going backwards.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by Y3a

<< Don't get an adjustable tone arm. It's pretty much pointless. The standard tonearms are fine, without all the doodads for adjusting the height and everything. It's basically just for show. Get any of them, but get something with direct drive. Try ebay. >>

This post DISQUALIFIES YOU from knowing what you are blabbing about!

Why's that? They're pointless and not needed. Mine play fine without them. You can still adjust the tone-arm's pressure via the weight on the back. It works fine. Again, why does this disqualify my opinion?

What are you gonna do with it?

Audiophile or DJ?

Gee, considering he STATED that he just watched 'scratch', I'm going to go out on a limb and guess DJ. Considering he also stated "I want to be able to scratch and at some point mix **** together", I'm going to guess DJ. Your idiotic question DISQUALIFIES YOU from knowing what you are blabbing about, moron.

[Y3a]

perhaps if you KNEW anything about the tonearm/cart dynamics you would already KNOW about anti-scating, which if not set correctly you damage your records. the stylus is at a 15 degree angle of attack vs the grooves cut into vinyl. getting the height correct makes the sound heve LESS DISTORTION.

YOURS PLAY FINE HUH? I suggest you don't even know what "FINE" is.
At least I'm Qualified to discuss the subject because I was a certified RIAA Cutting system calibration consultant. I used to calibrate cutting and playback systems that used vinyl.
I postulate that you may have more than wax clogging your ears.

[skewwiff]

Originally Posted by air

I want to be able to scratch and at some point mix **** together. I know that I need to get Technics. So im looking on ebay just for one and probably a mixer soon after.

is this one okay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Technics-1200-Tu...QQcmdZViewItem

You can get creative with any turntable. In fact, I'd recommend going with some cheap turntables and a simple mixer. That way, when you upgrade to Technics (and you will upgrade to Technics eventually, whether you try someone else's, or upgrade out of necessity) you will fall in love with how they feel. And you say you want scratch, contrary to what's been posted here already, you'll find an adjustable tone arm could be essential as your style develops.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by Y3a

perhaps if you KNEW anything about the tonearm/cart dynamics you would already KNOW about anti-scating,

My straight arms have anti skating built into the design. They do not need to be adjusted. Also, what is clogging your eyes? Why do you ask such stupid questions like 'do you want to DJ or be an audiophile'? Something must be clogging your eyes because you not only didn't know what the guy wanted to do, but you completely ignored that fact when I pointed it out.

[SuvsareRetarded]

OMG seems like other people think they play fine too:

http://www.epinions.com/Stanton_Magn...splay_~reviews

http://www.djforums.com/reviews/turn...ton_str880.php

[Y3a]

BTW - over HALF of the internet Radio DJ's that do scratch and other effects using vinyl have the knowledge to be both audiophile (high quality, wide frequency range, low distortion) and rugged.
The average joe may not appreciate the difference, but I asked because some DO want both. Cheap phono carts do not generally reproduce below 25-35 hZ, whereas the top of the line carts will go flat down to 15 hz, which can be felt. Listen to Drone Zone or Secret Agent from SOMA-FM on a good home system, you might understand.

[turtle777]

Oh, sorry, I misread the title as "I need a turtle".

Wonder how that happened...

-t

[Y3a]

Antiskate must be adjusted to compensate for different tracking weights. so as you fiddle with the counterweight in the back, it affects the antiscate setting required. automatic anti-skate is junk, found on toy turntables.


Who cares about an opinion you found on the internet anyway. I can find ones they disagree. Physics count more than your word that it 'plays fine'. Scratching isn't that serious anyway.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Y3a: Piss off. You aren't in your realm. Go post about tube amps or some other nerdy audiophile penis contest. This is about getting decent tables on a budget.

"These turntables are perfect for someone who's looking to be a trance/house/dance DJ, and don't want to drop 500+ dollars on 1200s. Granted, the 1200 is the standard by which all others are set, but the STR8-80 gets the job done for a lot less money. The tone arm doesn't skip when backcueing, the +/-8% and +/-12% pitch control is nice. The key correction may make the tunes sound a little flange-y, but for vocal tracks, it's nice because if you have a record pitched up 6%, the vocal track sounds like a chipmunk. The key correction does a fine job of correcting this, and keeping the vocal and musical tracks in the correct key. Overall a fine turntable for the bedroom DJ, or even mobile DJ's that don't do all that wacky transforming, slice-n-dice style of turntablism. I'm a big trance and house fan so these are perfect. "

"As a beginner to intermediate turntable, this deck is PERFECT! For the price, it provides a high torque motor, reliable operation great, build quality and many nifty little features. And hey, it even looks nice, with its blue LED's and strobe indicator lights, and silver high-tech finish. And the kicker! This deck can be found at most shops for around $200-$250 US! If you're just starting out, or you're a serious bedroom DJ, this is the PERFECT deck for you! It's even good enough for house parties and smaller parties! Great for both techno/house/trance DJ's as well as turntablisists! "

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by Y3a

Antiskate must be adjusted to compensate for different tracking weights. so as you fiddle with the counterweight in the back, it affects the antiscate setting required. automatic anti-skate is junk, found on toy turntables.

Once I first set the counterweight (made it lighter til it skipped, then put on more weigh so it didn't skip and sounded good), I haven't adjusted it since. I don't get skipping, skating, or whatever. It plays records fine, and it sounds really nice. BUT OMG AUDIPHILE MUST RESPOND AND TALK ABOUT GOLD PLATED NIPPLE CONNECTORS AND KEVLAR VOLUME KNOBS AND TITANIUM SPEAKER STANDS! NYAR! Whatever dude.

[Y3a]

<< Once I first set the counterweight (made it lighter til it skipped, then put on more weigh so it didn't skip and sounded good), I haven't adjusted it since. I don't get skipping, skating, or whatever. It plays records fine, and it sounds really nice. >>


I think the beer and cheeze have affected your brain. You're ruining both your vinyl and your stylus by your solution, as crude as it is. You just fail to accept that you can take care of your vinyl by using a better tonearm and the right cart. I'm sure you use your vinyl collection as beer coasters too.

[Cubeoid]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Oh, sorry, I misread the title as "I need a turtle".

Wonder how that happened...

-t

You are a turtle.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by Y3a

I think the beer and cheeze have affected your brain. You're ruining both your vinyl and your stylus by your solution, as crude as it is. You just fail to accept that you can take care of your vinyl by using a better tonearm and the right cart. I'm sure you use your vinyl collection as beer coasters too.

Not only does my stanton play records fine, it's also not wearing out my records, which I never use while eating or drinking and clean with this :



It gives them superior sound and durability. On top of all that, I'm also intelligent enough to know how to quote someone in VBB, unlike yourself. <<>>

[Doofy]

I recommend going and buying a guitar, learning to play it and being properly creative.

But I did like the way Rob said:

GOLD PLATED NIPPLE CONNECTORS

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Y3a

BTW - over HALF of the internet Radio DJ's that do scratch and other effects using vinyl have the knowledge to be both audiophile (high quality, wide frequency range, low distortion) and rugged.
The average joe may not appreciate the difference, but I asked because some DO want both. Cheap phono carts do not generally reproduce below 25-35 hZ, whereas the top of the line carts will go flat down to 15 hz, which can be felt. Listen to Drone Zone or Secret Agent from SOMA-FM on a good home system, you might understand.

There is nothing "audiophile" about a direct-drive turntable, no matter what cartridge or tonearm you stick on it.

The 1210 is an excellent DJ turntable, with great advantages for live mixing etc., but "audiophile" it is not.

"Audiophile" discussion has absolutely no place in a thread on DJ turntables

[air]

so......

any recommendations on some styli / cartridges if im playing a lot of dafk-punk, or scratching, or sampling? ill be playing a variety of music and using the turntable for many things. so what kind of versatile s/c's are available. (and preferably for around 60-80 bucks for two)

[Y3a]

putting goop on your records will not make them more durable, or sound any better than when cut/pressed.


Claiming that a direct drive turntable can't be 'audiophile' is puzzling. Technics SP-10 and SP-12's with Grace, SME, or even transcriptor arms are. They don't rumble like a puck or lower class belt drive might, but they have just as good isolation from feedback as the best Linn. The trance, and ambient DJ's use audiophile TT's so they can track stuff like thunderstorms and such. a Bar set isn't designed for much more than veing vomit-proof.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Y3a

putting goop on your records will not make them more durable, or sound any better than when cut/pressed.


Claiming that a direct drive turntable can't be 'audiophile' is puzzling. Technics SP-10 and SP-12's with Grace, SME, or even transcriptor arms are. They don't rumble like a puck or lower class belt drive might, but they have just as good isolation from feedback as the best Linn. The trance, and ambient DJ's use audiophile TT's so they can track stuff like thunderstorms and such. a Bar set isn't designed for much more than veing vomit-proof.

Any electric motor has stepping that designers *try* to counteract with belts, extremely low-power run motors (such that they are not able to start up the turntable on their own), and/or extremely heavy platters.

Stepping distorts bass harmonics. One reason why no direct-drive turntable, under any setting, is able to produce a clean bass. Not loud, mind you. Clean.

Mind that this is not the point of this thread, since DJing is not in the slightest concerned with true fidelity, i.e. as-faithful-as-possible reproduction of the original source.

Which is why nobody should care that all records sound like **** when you set the needle weight to 2.5 grams, as is often done on DJ turntables to prevent skipping, or that improperly set antiskating will introduce stereo distortion.

The only problem I have with this stuff is that DJs often pride themselves in having a bunch of rare original funk disks, and then proceed to completely destroy them on the first playing by using their properly-adjusted (for dancefloor use) 1210 decks. THAT really gets my hackles up.

USE A ****ING REISSUE IF YOU'RE A DJ!

[MacNStein]

Originally Posted by analogika

"Audiophile" discussion has absolutely no place in a thread on DJ turntables

Quoted for emphasis.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by air

so......

any recommendations on some styli / cartridges if im playing a lot of dafk-punk, or scratching, or sampling? ill be playing a variety of music and using the turntable for many things. so what kind of versatile s/c's are available. (and preferably for around 60-80 bucks for two)

Just use the cartridges that come with it, mine came with some shure cartridges I think. get used to them, and get used to using your TTs before you invest in fancy needles.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by Y3a

putting goop on your records will not make them more durable, or sound any better than when cut/pressed.

Yes actually it will. Hell this **** even has 'hi fi' awards so your audiophile ass should listen up.
Even has a recommendation from sterephile magazine. It's good **** and I can hear the difference. It cleans, removes static, improves tracking, etc.

http://www.gruvglide.com/

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by analogika

Which is why nobody should care that all records sound like **** when you set the needle weight to 2.5 grams, as is often done on DJ turntables to prevent skipping, or that improperly set antiskating will introduce stereo distortion.

I set the needle as light as possible to avoid harming my vinyl. I don't really do scratching, so it works fine.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Quoted for emphasis.

Exactly why Y3a is out of his element.

[Y3a]

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Yes actually it will. Hell this **** even has 'hi fi' awards so your audiophile ass should listen up.
Even has a recommendation from sterephile magazine. It's good **** and I can hear the difference. It cleans, removes static, improves tracking, etc.

http://www.gruvglide.com/

Since "tracking" is in reference to a geometric parameter, you have again proved yourself to be wrong, and too lacking in the fundemental concepts of the action between tonearm, cart, and vinyl. Adding profanity shows your lack of understanding and using technical terms correctly, and as I said: I am an expert in cutting, calibrating the record lathes, and designing and making tonearms for broadcast, and audiophile customers, and your responses show you to be less than that. An award from an audio mag is worthless. Especially when they advertise in it. I guess setting up discos, and radio stations several private studios means nothing to someone with all the answers?

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by Y3a

Since "tracking" is in reference to a geometric parameter, you have again proved yourself to be wrong, and too lacking in the fundemental concepts of the action between tonearm, cart, and vinyl. Adding profanity shows your lack of understanding and using technical terms correctly, and as I said: I am an expert in cutting, calibrating the record lathes, and designing and making tonearms for broadcast, and audiophile customers, and your responses show you to be less than that. An award from an audio mag is worthless. Especially when they advertise in it. I guess setting up discos, and radio stations several private studios means nothing to someone with all the answers?

Hey you are right! I'm not an audiophile who thinks that gold plated nipple connectors will improve fidelity! I just know about THIS TOPIC, and you don't! So please be kind and piss off!

[as2]

Technics 1210's seem to be the industry standard.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by as2

Technics 1210's seem to be the industry standard.

Yep. But like I said, they are industry standard because they WERE the best DJ tables. Other companies now produce tables with more features, more torque, and a lower price.

[rozwado1]

This thread is going nowhere.

-1

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Y3a

Since "tracking" is in reference to a geometric parameter, you have again proved yourself to be wrong, and too lacking in the fundemental concepts of the action between tonearm, cart, and vinyl. Adding profanity shows your lack of understanding and using technical terms correctly, and as I said: I am an expert in cutting, calibrating the record lathes, and designing and making tonearms for broadcast, and audiophile customers, and your responses show you to be less than that. An award from an audio mag is worthless. Especially when they advertise in it. I guess setting up discos, and radio stations several private studios means nothing to someone with all the answers?

Dude, it's like explaining ramjet engineering to a petulant kid who's built a couple of R/C planes and thinks he knows the world of aircraft physics.

a) You're arguing with Ca$h. WTF.

b) You are absolutely right in all that you say, but it is completely irrelevant to this subject. Sound quality means sh¡t here, as does vinyl conservation, or any consideration involving detail or resolution.

c) You're arguing with Ca$h, goddammit. Why waste your time.

That said, the Technics 12X0's are built like tanks (one reason they sound like ****), and this is why they are the staple of the DJ industry. A friend of mine saw a rig with two 1210s fall off a forklift face DOWN onto the ground. Had to whittle the tonearm of one of them back into shape, but they both worked fine (as fine as 1210s can be said to work as turntables) for the rest of the festival.

-ch.

[Y3a]

Your right! Screaming at a fence pole, that can't learn.

Air - at least remember to get spherical shaped stylus so you won't ruin your vinyl. Ellipticals will carve off the high frequencies in the groove when going backwards.

[air]

what is an example of a good spherical shaped stylus / cartridge.

I just want some recommendations if its possible!

also, what is the difference between phono/mono (stereo/mono?) and the boxy styli vs the needle ones



or

[air]

also, what is the difference between phono/mono (stereo/mono?) and the boxy styli vs the needle ones



or

[air]

dbd

[air]

dnd