[Kerrigan]

Madonna has a new single, "Hung Up". I do not know where it is on the charts, but it is very good.

It is especially good when compared with her previous "American Life".

I think that Kabala has allowed her to grow as a musician, because "Hung Up" is more focused and fierce than anything she has done in years.

Does anyone else agree that Madonna is the Queen of Pop?

[tooki]

It's good to see her go back to dance music. That whole spiritual and political thing may have been important to her -- but it made bad music. Dance music is her forte (epitomized by Ray of Light, IMHO), and it's good to see it come back.

tooki

[rickey939]

"Hung Up" is great.

[Dark Helmet]

Hung up took a dive of the charts after the first week. a HUGE dive.

I also hate the new album.

[badtz]

I'm not a huge fan of Hung Up (I still like it), but the rest of her album is superb!!! Especially "get together", and "how high"

[Cody Dawg]

I respect her music, especially when William Orbit has anything to do with it, but as a person she is a hypocrite and screwed up in the head.

One minute she's telling people how to parent and reading children's books and saying that she's proud to be a role model...and the next thing you know she's making out a la lesbian on a stage or wearing nothing.

[Cody Dawg]

Oh, and she has an amazing body, too. to her for that.

But please lay off the proselytizing, Madonna.

[Kenneth]

I pre-ordered her album on iTunes.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I respect her music, especially when William Orbit has anything to do with it, but as a person she is a hypocrite and screwed up in the head.

One minute she's telling people how to parent and reading children's books and saying that she's proud to be a role model...and the next thing you know she's making out a la lesbian on a stage or wearing nothing.

And what's wrong with making out with a lesbian or being naked? Are you an exception to all of humanity, and were born with clothing on? And if someone wants to make out with someone of the same sex, who are you to judge? Nudity is a completely natural thing.

Is Madonna a bit loopy? Sure. Do I consider her an ideal role model for a child? Hardly. But nudity and homosexuality aren't things that I think children should be shielded from.

tooki

[Salty]

I'm sorry but if you don't think that children should be shielded from sexual acts be they homo or hereto you're as loopy as Madonna.

[Cody Dawg]

Thank you, tooki, for making my point: She is NOT a role model.

And this makes me wonder about you, tooki, with all due respect:

But nudity and homosexuality aren't things that I think children should be shielded from.

I can understand that...to a certain degree. But perhaps you should better clarify what you are saying, perhaps? I'm sure a lot of us will be wondering about that comment for a few days even if we don't say so.

She goes on The View and other television shows and tells everyone how she wants to be a good role model for little girls everywhere...then goes on a music awards show, that millions of youngsters will be watching, and makes out on stage with other women in sexually graphic and suggestive prancing and dancing. As adult entertainment that's okay. I found it hilarious that she said that she doesn't let her children watch ANY television, none at all. Why? She actually said, "It's a bad influence on them." ROFL! Really, Madonna? Who helped make it that way? I honestly think she has a massive "borderline" personality disorder. A role model for little girls everywhere? NO. The problem with her is that she'd be fine if she'd own up and BE someone - ANYONE - with substance. She's incapable of that. Can she make great albums with the help of lots and lots of people? Yes. Can she work out 4 to 6 hours a day and have a great body? Yes. But, is she happy with herself? No. She's not. Anyone who has to constantly change all of the time, including religions, is a person who is extremely dissatisfied with themselves. Sure, this album is great...but she specifically states that she "borrowed" all kinds of music from others such as ABBA, etc. That doesn't exactly make it hers.

By the way, her "books" hardly impress me. Not only did they not sell particularly well, but I believe she has other motivations behind "writing" those books. Kabbalah, plain and simple. I think Madonna was/is pressured to give $$$ to Kabbalah and she's infamous for being flinty with money...writing books whose proceeds go to Kabbalah in lieu of shelling out her own dough gets her off the hook from handouts for them.

I tell my male friends, who are woman-hunting, to find out how often the woman changes her hair style. It's my unprofessional opinion but womanly experience that the women who are constantly changing their hair styles and/or color are the ones that are deeply disaffected with themselves and are unhappy and will make everyone else around them unhappy also. Madonna is that in spades.

Is she successful? Yes. Do I respect that? Yes. Do I think she's particularly talented? No. Do I think she's particularly manipulative? Yes. Do I like some of her music? Yes. Would I want to have dinner with Madonna? No. NORFOLK 'N WAY!

Nope. I'm up there with Sharon Osbourne when it comes to Madonna.

Madonna shouldn't expect any dinner invites from Sharon Osbourne. The rocker's wife named the Kabbalah devotee as one of three "nightmare" dinner guests.

"I would like to punch her," Osbourne told British GQ in an article due to come out shortly, according to UK reports. "She is so full of [bleep]. She's into Kabbalah one minute, she's a Catholic the next. She'll be a Hindu soon, no doubt." Osbourne's other "nightmare" dinner guests included Mick Jagger and Bryan Ferry of Roxy Music.

Sharon ranted: "It's like dressing up with her. One day you're in gun gear, then you're in horsing gear, then you dress like a dyke, then you dress like a hooker, then you're in a flowery dress reading kids' poetry looking like you're a librarian - then you're back looking like an old hooker again.

"You can't one day be in Horse and Hound magazine and the next in Dyke Weekly." Sharon - who has three children, Aimee, Kelly and Jack, with wild rocker Ozzy Osbourne - has also ridiculed Madonna's children's books, which are based on the teachings of the mystic Jewish faith Kabbalah.

She told Britain's Word magazine: "Writing those painful, silly children's books and reading them to your kids - if my mom came up to me with a book like that I'd say, 'Stick it!'"

This is not the first time Sharon has attacked Madonna. Last month she said she wanted to "punch" the pop superstar because she was "full of sh t."

You go, girl! (Sharon O, that is.)



P.S., I have not had a hair cut in 4 years (just trimmed the ends) nor have I dyed or bleached my hair either. I guess that makes me boring? Okay. But men like my hair just the way it is, it seems.

[Cody Dawg]

I'm sorry but if you don't think that children should be shielded from sexual acts be they homo or hereto you're as loopy as Madonna.

I think that his comment needs more explanation or clarification, actually.

[Warung]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

One minute she's telling people how to parent and reading children's books and saying that she's proud to be a role model...and the next thing you know she's making out a la lesbian on a stage or wearing nothing.

I don't really see the two contradicting each other...

[AllegedNews]

They definitely do not make sense when put together, Mr. Warung.

[Warung]

Originally Posted by AllegedNews

They definitely do not make sense when put together, Mr. Warung.

Wait a second, you're right. One couldn't possibly be a good parent without teaching kids prudish, Judeo-Christain fundamentalist values. Geeeez, what was I thinking.

[Cody Dawg]

You're not even staying on topic, Warung.

Yeah, is right.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

You're not even staying on topic, Warung.

Yeah, is right.

Come on, pulling arguments out of thin air is fun!

[Cody Dawg]

TGIF, Kevin.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Does anyone else agree that Madonna is the Queen of Pop?

You missed an "o" out of that last word.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by Salty

I'm sorry but if you don't think that children should be shielded from sexual acts be they homo or hereto you're as loopy as Madonna.

Err, no. This thing with shielding children from any and all acts of sexuality (and often flat-out lying to children to explain it in a way that covers up any reference to sex) is something we've made up quite recently. Children had coped just fine with being exposed, to varying degrees, with acts of sexuality for millennia before that, and there's no reason they shouldn't be able to cope just fine with it now.

Apparently, according to this thread, kissing someone is now also a sexual act. So parents shouldn't be allowed to kiss each other in front of their children either? Where exactly would that put us? Japan?

[ShotgunEd]

Kylie is the Queen of Pop.

Madonna's new song is a bit crap.

And that Motorola ROKR ad that its in is worthy of a poop in the kitchen.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I tell my male friends, who are woman-hunting, to find out how often the woman changes her hair style. It's my unprofessional opinion but womanly experience that the women who are constantly changing their hair styles and/or color are the ones that are deeply disaffected with themselves and are unhappy and will make everyone else around them unhappy also. Madonna is that in spades.

Here's another tip. Get them to watch "Sex And The City" so they'll know exactly what to avoid like the plague.

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

You go, girl! (Sharon O, that is.)

But don't mess with Brucie.
Up the Irons!

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

P.S., I have not had a hair cut in 4 years (just trimmed the ends) nor have I dyed or bleached my hair either. I guess that makes me boring? Okay. But men like my hair just the way it is, it seems.

You have hair? Never noticed. <looks up> Oh. You do.

[Kevin]

Doofy, clear your pvt msgs.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Doofy, clear your pvt msgs.

Done.

[Cody Dawg]

You missed an "o" out of that last word.

That got my morning going.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

That got my morning going.

Think Cubeoid would have missed a "o"

[Cody Dawg]

Like your sig, Athens.

I'm sure Cubeoid does also.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Like your sig, Athens.

I'm sure Cubeoid does also.

Im sure Cubeoid loves your dog pic, wish I could ask him

[Warung]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

You're not even staying on topic, Warung.

Oh yeah, you're right. What was this thread about again? You're reluctance to visit a hairdresser?

Wooooooooo...

Here's a link for ya sweety...

/Hello world

[andreas_g4]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Madonna has a new single, "Hung Up". I do not know where it is on the charts, but it is very good.

It is especially good when compared with her previous "American Life".

I think that Kabala has allowed her to grow as a musician, because "Hung Up" is more focused and fierce than anything she has done in years.

Does anyone else agree that Madonna is the Queen of Pop?

I do not consider "American Life" to be that bad. Is has some good songs.

I would refer to Madonna as the only lagre scale mainstream pop music that I actually like.

[Busemann]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

One minute she's telling people how to parent and reading children's books and saying that she's proud to be a role model...and the next thing you know she's making out a la lesbian on a stage or wearing nothing.

And you make it sound all bad? Just goes to show how uptight some Americans are to nudity

[RAILhead]

[Kevin]

Well this IS MacNN Maury.

[Cody Dawg]

Warung
Oh yeah, you're right. What was this thread about again? You're reluctance to visit a hairdresser?

Ya know, Kevin was right when he said

Come on, pulling arguments out of thin air is fun!

[Cody Dawg]

Madonna is going to take over where Cher left off.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Salty

I'm sorry but if you don't think that children should be shielded from sexual acts be they homo or hereto you're as loopy as Madonna.

1. Homosexuality != sexual acts. You can show homosexuality without showing sexual acts.
2. Not all kissing is sexual.
3. Do I think kids need to watch people having sex? Of course not. I never said that.

tooki

[Cody Dawg]

"The Encyclopedic Admin" is good.

[Kevin]

I don't think kids should be taught nudity is evil. That kept alot of people from bathing at one time. It also breeds insecurity, esp in females. That may lead them to not be able to enjoy a regular sex life later on.

But I also think teaching one how to be discreet is a plus.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Thank you, tooki, for making my point: She is NOT a role model.

And this makes me wonder about you, tooki, with all due respect:

But nudity and homosexuality aren't things that I think children should be shielded from.

I can understand that...to a certain degree. But perhaps you should better clarify what you are saying, perhaps? I'm sure a lot of us will be wondering about that comment for a few days even if we don't say so.

Let's break this down into the two opinions I stated:

1. nudity isn't a thing I think children should be shielded from, and
2. homosexuality isn't a thing I think children should be shielded from

1. Nudity is entirely normal. There's nothing obscene about the human form. Again, unless you were some miracle baby, you were born naked, like every other human that has ever been born. Since it's how every single human has been born, I think nudity is totally natural. (Note that I am not a nudist or naturist, I don't live a nude lifestyle. But I have no hangups about it, and when I have kids, I don't want to raise them such that they see their body as something dirty or lascivious.)

2. Homosexuality is not homosexual sexual acts! Homosexuals are everywhere, and I think kids should be exposed to the entire range of human variation. That doesn't mean showing kids gay porn. It means telling them that if they see two guys holding hands, it's an OK way to be, that it's OK to love whoever you fall in love with.

I don't consider kissing to be anything worth getting your panties in a bunch over.

tooki

[Cody Dawg]

Well, I agree with what you said 100%.



Except I think Madonna is still a hypocrite, that's all, and I don't think she should have make-out sessions with Brittney Spears on television, that's all.

But, to each his own. Hope Brittney didn't catch anything.



Oh, yeah, she did: Kevin Federline.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

and I don't think she should have make-out sessions with Brittney Spears on television, that's all.)

Why not? Who cares?

tooki

[forkies]

i think people complaining about an entertainer's actions is lame. she's an entertainer, the fact that you are bickering about it means she's done her job. congrats, madonna!

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by Salty

I'm sorry but if you don't think that children should be shielded from sexual acts be they homo or hereto you're as loopy as Madonna.

Yeah we should tell them that storks delivered them.

[SuvsareRetarded]

Originally Posted by tooki

1. Homosexuality != sexual acts. You can show homosexuality without showing sexual acts.

... hold on a second. Homo sexuality means same sexuality, right? So if you take out the 'homo', do you still think you can show sexuality without sexual acts?

[Warung]

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

... hold on a second. Homo sexuality means same sexuality, right? So if you take out the 'homo', do you still think you can show sexuality without sexual acts?

'Cause you can take the homo outta sexuality
But can't take the sexuality out of the homo

/got nothin
//kickin off with a whiskey coke

[tooki]

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

... hold on a second. Homo sexuality means same sexuality, right? So if you take out the 'homo', do you still think you can show sexuality without sexual acts?

Sexuality != sexual acts.

You can show your heterosexuality by being in love with your wife.

Homosexuality is just the name for the specific sexual orientation. Gay people are gay even when they're not in the middle of having sex, just as you are straight even when you're not banging your wife.

tooki

[Kerrigan]

Cody I would agree that Madonna often contradicts herself, and lately she seems to enjoy biting the hand that feeds her by making thinly veiled homophobic comments á la Kabala (I just had to say that!).

Her personal life is obviously something that interests a lot of us here, but I try not to get tangled up in the politics of it. Yea, one day she's a lesbianic whore on the stage and the next day she's in magazines dressed up in an Edwardian dress feeding chickens on her country farm. It doesn't make much sense, but I'm sure that she has her reasons for pulling off this dual life.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by tooki

Why not? Who cares?

I care. Keep that kind of stuff out of my sight, thanks.

[Cadaver]

Well, without derailing the (already derailed) thread, I just bought the tune since everyone's been talking about it.

Its OK, but the whole melody was cribbed from an Erasure song.

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by Doofy

I care. Keep that kind of stuff out of my sight, thanks.

Fine. You shield your eyes. I'll watch the two girls kiss

(I now return you to your regularly scheduled derailed thread)