[Cody Dawg]

Cannot believe it: Tropical Depression #27 has just formed...looks like it might head South Florida's way AGAIN.

Link.

This is truly unbelievable. I hope it misses us and the rest of the United States too.

This one's name is Gamma.

[The Godfather]

I would have expected there's not enough energy (heat) left in our area to feed more hurricanes.

[Cody Dawg]

It's been very hot here, this year, Godfather. Our benchmark for weather is that, as of the middle of October the humidity drops and it becomes cool, like in the upper 70s. The air is crisp and nice. That didn't happen this year. We got hurricane Wilma instead. As of yesterday it was still hot and muggy here in Southeast Florida. Cicadas are still singing in November - that is just plain weird. My great grandmother, who spent her whole life here, said that the "hurricanes come as long as the cicadas sing." I've never forgotten that. We went down to the beach (here in Palm Beach) yesterday and the Atlantic is like bath water still. It's really amazing.

[The Godfather]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg, after Wilma

It is FREAKING COLD.

It has been pretty cold in this part of FL.

[Cody Dawg]

I don't know where you are? It was 88f here yesterday. Hot and steamy.

[nredman]

with all the wacky weather & hurricanes this year - anything is possible

all i know is that its been like 60 here in minnesota in november. crazy but good

[Athens]

Look at the bright side this COULD be the last one, I bet there will be one more just to brake records for the latest Hurricane ever since every other record has been broken it seems this year See I think positive.

[ogun]

Wilma wasn't too bad for those on the Atlantic coast north of Boca. (Don't know about the Gulf coast, haven't been there.) Boca got hit bad. Broward County got hit really bad, they'll be fixing things up for 12-18 months, easy, in places like Margate and Tamarac and Coral Springs. Meanwhile, up in northern Palm Beach County things were back to normal (except no light, thank you so much Florida Flicker & Flash) a day or two after the hurricane. A few trees down, a few roofs damaged, nothing major. I got light (and cable internet!) back the Thursday after the storm, and phones back that Saturday. Frankly, even in Boca and Broward, Wilma wasn't a patch on _really_ bad storms, like Hugo or Andrew or Gilbert. I was in Jamaica when Gilbert came through. I have no intention of being within 200 miles of a Cat 5 ever again, thanks. Anyone in Palm Beach County will be able to tell when the county's in the cone of probability of a Cat 5: just listen for the sonic boom on I-95. Georgia, here I come!

[ogun]

Originally Posted by Athens

Look at the bright side this COULD be the last one, I bet there will be one more just to brake records for the latest Hurricane ever since every other record has been broken it seems this year See I think positive.

Remember that there was a hurricane in December last year...

[Cody Dawg]

Wilma wasn't too bad for those on the Atlantic coast north of Boca.

I strongly disagree. As of Friday when the adjustor came to our house we have $18K worth of damage to our home and yard and pool cage area. We are north of Boca. Hypoluxo road, Boynton Beach, which is north of Boca, had terrible damage. As did Belle Glade, Northwest of Boca.

People in Palm Beach county, Jupiter specifically, did not get power back until Friday. They went over two weeks without power. Kids were out of school for 10 days in Palm Beach county.

[ogun]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I strongly disagree. As of Friday when the adjustor came to our house we have $18K worth of damage to our home and yard and pool cage area. We are north of Boca. Hypoluxo road, Boynton Beach, which is north of Boca, had terrible damage. As did Belle Glade, Northwest of Boca.

People in Palm Beach county, Jupiter specifically, did not get power back until Friday. They went over two weeks without power. Kids were out of school for 10 days in Palm Beach county.

I'm comparing Wilma to Andrew or Gilbert. I didn't get power back after Gilbert for over three months, and there were those who got power back after I did. (I'm quite serious about that; living on corned beef and spam and other tinned stuff for a prolonged period kinda sticks in your memory. We didn't have water for weeks, until the power could be restored to the Water Commision's pumps.) Two weeks without light ain't nothing.

I work off Woolbright, in Boynton Beach. Yeah, you know a storm came by. But it simply wasn't that bad.

[wdlove]

Hi Cody,

I heard about Gamma yesterday. Truly an amazing and historic Hurricane Season, one that doesn't end until the end of the month. I pray that it will miss the US. It has been warmer than normal most of this Fall here in Boston also.

[wdlove]

Hi Cody,

I heard about Gamma yesterday. Truly an amazing and historic Hurricane Season, one that doesn't end until the end of the month. I pray that it will miss the US. It has been warmer than normal most of this Fall here in Boston also.

[wdlove]

Hi Cody,

I heard about Gamma yesterday. Truly an amazing and historic Hurricane Season, one that doesn't end until the end of the month. I pray that it will miss the US. It has been warmer than normal most of this Fall here in Boston also.

[Cody Dawg]

It wasn't that bad for YOU, ogun. It was bad for thousands of others, especially 20,000 others now homeless.



Hi WDLove! Be right up to see you, okay?

[ogun]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

It wasn't that bad for YOU, ogun. It was bad for thousands of others, especially 20,000 others now homeless.



Hi WDLove! Be right up to see you, okay?

20,000 in Dade and Broward and Palm Beach ain't that much. Sorry, but it's not. Palm Beach County alone has a population of 1.2 million plus, <http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12099.html> Broward's 50% over that, <http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12011.html> and Dade's larger still <http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12086.html>. 20,000 out of just over 5.25 million is, well, minor. Hugo, for example, blew off the roofs of 97% of the private houses in Monserrat, which is a bunch more than 20k dehoused. Worse than that, with 97% of the private buildings deroofed (plus a lot of public buildings; the brand-new hospital was severely damaged, for instance) there wasn't a lot of places to go to which _did_ have roofs.

I repeat: yeah, Wilma did some damage. No, it wasn't that bad. Not a patch on Katrina, or Andrew, or Gilbert. This isn't even in dispute. Wilma was not a major hurricane. Wilma wasn't even the most serious hurricane to hit South Florida in the last 24 months, that'd probably be Jeanne.

And, also, dare I say that if buildings were better built, there would have been less damage? There are, for instance, no such things as trailer parks in Jmaica; trailers blow away in hurricanes. 'Manufactured housing' in Jamaica (and most of the Caribbean) is prefab concrete. Basically, the developer has really large molds, into which is poured cement, and the resulting slabs are hauled to the building site and set up. The outside walls and the roof are thicker slabs than the inside walls. All plumbing and wiring is pre-set into the slab at the factory. They're boxy and ugly, but they're cheap and they don't blow away in a hurricane or fall over in an earthquake, and they don't burn. More expensive housing is concrete brick and rebar. My house, all concrete including a concrete slab roof, came through Gilbert without significant damage. (It would have been _no_ damage, but a 40ft mango tree fell on the carport and kinda bent that part of the building.) Serveral of the neighbors had shingle or tile roofs, and had significant damage. One guy, two doors down from me, had his entire roof just lift off and fly away. When he rebuilt, his roof was tile, not wood. A 'board house' in Jamaica is either something very cheap, built because the owner can't afford anything else and _knows_ that it'll blow away come the first major storm, or is something very, very very expensive, with lots of thick wood in multiple layers. American style frame houses exist, but only because some American expats want them. And those houses tend to blow away in the next storm, so they don't exist for long.

[Cody Dawg]

Who cares what else there is to say.

You obviously don't care that people are homeless or hurting financially or have other problems as a result of a hurricane.

Our house, and the house behind us, had more damage this year than last year after hurricanes Frances and Jeanne.

So stop speaking in generalities. Around here it will only get you negative attention.

[ogun]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Who cares what else there is to say.

You obviously don't care that people are homeless or hurting financially or have other problems as a result of a hurricane.

Nope. I said, and I still say, because it's a simple fact, that Wilma was by no means a major huricane. Those are the facts. They remain the facts whether or not you don't like them.

And I find it truly interesting that you don't seem to care about damage done by other, much worse, hurricanes, including where 97% of the private houses lost their roofs. I have my suspicions as to why this may be.

Our house, and the house behind us, had more damage this year than last year after hurricanes Frances and Jeanne.

Quite possibly because Frances and Jeanne hit _northern_ Palm Beach and Martin. I was in Tamarac at the time, and what we got was barely more than a strong thunderstorm. Southern and central Palm Beach would have been hit harder than north Broward, but still it wouldn't have been the pounding that northern Palm Beach and Martin took.

So stop speaking in generalities. Around here it will only get you negative attention.

I've been specific. In fact, I've been more specific than you have. I'll say again: Wilma was not a major hurricane. Wilma did not do anywhere near the damage that Rita did, much less Katrina, in this year. Wilma didn't do the damage that Frances and Jeanne did, last year... and Frances and Jeanne weren't major storms, either. Katrina was a major storm. Hugo was a major storm. Gilbert was a major storm. Andrew was a major storm. Camille was a major storm. Those were storms which did major damage over a wide area and which took months to clean up after. Wilma knocked down some power poles and ripped up some roofs. Ten Wilmas wouldn't be as bad as Andrew or Gilbert.

It appears that your major problem with what I'm saying is that you took damage from Wilma. This is regrettable, but it does not mean that Wilma was a major storm. It wasn't. I have been in major storms. I know what major storms look like. I know what the aftermath of major storms looks like. After a major storm, you would not be complaining about the $18k damage to your house, because odds are that you would not have a house, and if you did, it would be severely damaged and you would be rather too busy to post _anything_ on the internet, assuming you had power (unlikely) or a working internet connection (even less likely). Wilma was a throughly middle-of-the-road storm, remarkable solely for the number of power poles it brought down. By the time it hit the Atlantic coast, Wilma was a strong Cat 1 or a weak Cat 2, with gusts to strong Cat 3 strength. It could have been really bad if it had hung around the way last year's storms did, but it zipped out of here at 25-30 MPH and simply didn't hang around long enough to really pound us. When Gilbert hit Jamaica, not only was it a strong Cat 4 to weak Cat 5 with Cat 5 gusts, but it was moving at under 10 MPH so it hit hard and kept on hitting for a long time.

No-one, but no-one, who has ever been in a Cat 5 storm will ever have any illusions about the relative strength of those things vis-a-vie a Cat 2 storm such as Wilma. Wilma was not, repeat, not, a major storm. Period.

As for the negative attention, if telling the truth gets me negative attention, then so be it.

Thank you and good day.

[ogun]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Who cares what else there is to say.

You obviously don't care that people are homeless or hurting financially or have other problems as a result of a hurricane.

Nope. I said, and I still say, because it's a simple fact, that Wilma was by no means a major huricane. Those are the facts. They remain the facts whether or not you don't like them.

And I find it truly interesting that you don't seem to care about damage done by other, much worse, hurricanes, including where 97% of the private houses lost their roofs. I have my suspicions as to why this may be.

Our house, and the house behind us, had more damage this year than last year after hurricanes Frances and Jeanne.

Quite possibly because Frances and Jeanne hit _northern_ Palm Beach and Martin. I was in Tamarac at the time, and what we got was barely more than a strong thunderstorm. Southern and central Palm Beach would have been hit harder than north Broward, but still it wouldn't have been the pounding that northern Palm Beach and Martin took.

So stop speaking in generalities. Around here it will only get you negative attention.

I've been specific. In fact, I've been more specific than you have. I'll say again: Wilma was not a major hurricane. Wilma did not do anywhere near the damage that Rita did, much less Katrina, in this year. Wilma didn't do the damage that Frances and Jeanne did, last year... and Frances and Jeanne weren't major storms, either. Katrina was a major storm. Hugo was a major storm. Gilbert was a major storm. Andrew was a major storm. Camille was a major storm. Those were storms which did major damage over a wide area and which took months to clean up after. Wilma knocked down some power poles and ripped up some roofs. Ten Wilmas wouldn't be as bad as Andrew or Gilbert.

It appears that your major problem with what I'm saying is that you took damage from Wilma. This is regrettable, but it does not mean that Wilma was a major storm. It wasn't. I have been in major storms. I know what major storms look like. I know what the aftermath of major storms looks like. After a major storm, you would not be complaining about the $18k damage to your house, because odds are that you would not have a house, and if you did, it would be severely damaged and you would be rather too busy to post _anything_ on the internet, assuming you had power (unlikely) or a working internet connection (even less likely). Wilma was a throughly middle-of-the-road storm, remarkable solely for the number of power poles it brought down. By the time it hit the Atlantic coast, Wilma was a strong Cat 1 or a weak Cat 2, with gusts to strong Cat 3 strength. It could have been really bad if it had hung around the way last year's storms did, but it zipped out of here at 25-30 MPH and simply didn't hang around long enough to really pound us. When Gilbert hit Jamaica, not only was it a strong Cat 4 to weak Cat 5 with Cat 5 gusts, but it was moving at under 10 MPH so it hit hard and kept on hitting for a long time.

No-one, but no-one, who has ever been in a Cat 5 storm will ever have any illusions about the relative strength of those things vis-a-vie a Cat 2 storm such as Wilma. Wilma was not, repeat, not, a major storm. Period.

As for the negative attention, if telling the truth gets me negative attention, then so be it.

Thank you and good day.

[wdlove]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I strongly disagree. As of Friday when the adjustor came to our house we have $18K worth of damage to our home and yard and pool cage area. We are north of Boca. Hypoluxo road, Boynton Beach, which is north of Boca, had terrible damage. As did Belle Glade, Northwest of Boca.

People in Palm Beach county, Jupiter specifically, did not get power back until Friday. They went over two weeks without power. Kids were out of school for 10 days in Palm Beach county.

Very good Cody, don't let anyone get you down. Those that expereinced the huricaine are the most qualified to speak.

[wdlove]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I strongly disagree. As of Friday when the adjustor came to our house we have $18K worth of damage to our home and yard and pool cage area. We are north of Boca. Hypoluxo road, Boynton Beach, which is north of Boca, had terrible damage. As did Belle Glade, Northwest of Boca.

People in Palm Beach county, Jupiter specifically, did not get power back until Friday. They went over two weeks without power. Kids were out of school for 10 days in Palm Beach county.

You go Cody, very good for you. Those that experience the hurricanes are in he best position to speak.

[Daveecee]

Jeez, another hurricane? Our gulf coast sure has been getting some bad luck this year. Please veer off to the west, Gamma

[besson3c]

Without trying to sound abrasive or offensive, just out of curiosity, at what point will you Floridians decide to move? How many more hurricanes would it take?

I'm not trying to imply anything, just asking... maybe this is just a hypothetical question that can't be answered?

[IceEnclosure]

ogun is right.

I'm in Broward County, and I'm guessing we got perhaps the largest $$ damage of the three East Coast counties (Palm Beach, Broward, Dade).

Yes, I just got my power back 6 days ago. Yes, my neighborhood is ugly now. Yes quite a few people I know got roof damage. and more.

But it's no Andrew. and I didn't fear for my life when it came through. It just caused lots of w i d e s p r e a d damage. If part of your roof peeled back, you're homeless (Cody speak - (living in temporary housing, shelter etc.) And 20,000 out of 5 some-odd million is really not that much.

ogun isn't heartless, he's just tellin' it like it is.

My city, county etc is wrecked. I see it everywhere. It's not a total devastation though. It's less than that, just widespread. everyone's affected in some way or another. and it costs $$

Cody loves to be dramatic.

[Cody Dawg]

Interesting local this morning headlines: More homeless people need homes.

Maybe ogun will put them up? After all, "it wasn't that bad."

[wdlove]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Interesting local this morning headlines: More homeless people need homes.

Maybe ogun will put them up? After all, "it wasn't that bad."

Hi Cody,

Sad that the devastation continues. One can always find others that are in worse shape.

[wallinbl]

Originally Posted by The Godfather

It has been pretty cold in this part of FL.

It's in the low 80s today. Granted we had a week of low 70s, but it hasn't begun to get cold yet (60s).

[ogun]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure

ogun is right.

Thanks for that.

I'm in Broward County, and I'm guessing we got perhaps the largest $$ damage of the three East Coast counties (Palm Beach, Broward, Dade).

I used to live in Tamarac. The place were I was got some damage. Other buildings in the area got a whole lot more. Still, it's _nothing_ compared to Andrew.

Yes, I just got my power back 6 days ago. Yes, my neighborhood is ugly now. Yes quite a few people I know got roof damage. and more.

But it's no Andrew. and I didn't fear for my life when it came through. It just caused lots of w i d e s p r e a d damage. If part of your roof peeled back, you're homeless (Cody speak - (living in temporary housing, shelter etc.) And 20,000 out of 5 some-odd million is really not that much.

20k out of 5.2plus million is under one fifth of one percent. That number alone shows that Wilma was not a major storm. A major storm would have added a zero or two to the end of that 20k.

ogun isn't heartless, he's just tellin' it like it is.

Some people can't handle the truth.

My city, county etc is wrecked. I see it everywhere. It's not a total devastation though. It's less than that, just widespread. everyone's affected in some way or another. and it costs $$

Cody loves to be dramatic.

Yes, there's lots of hurricane debris. Yes, some people lost roofs. No, Wilma was not a major storm. Anyone who says it was simply has not seen what a major storm will do. I was in Gilbert. I saw the immediate aftermath of Hugo and Andrew. Those were major storms. The difference is painfully obvious.

Cody needs to get a sense of proportion.

[Cody Dawg]

Pay my bills for three hurricanes within one year - the eyes of each of them passing right over us - and my "sense of proportion" will be just fine, thank you.



(P.S., Totals about $50K out of my own pocket and not covered by Allstate)

[ogun]

Which three hurricanes in a year would that be? Only Wilma's eye this year went over Boynton, and that was mostly 'cause Wilma's eye covered the whole of Palm Beach County! Including West Palm, were I was! Jeanne and Frances went ashore in Martin County, well to the north of West Palm, much less Boynton! Yes, the edge of last year's storms hit southern Palm Beach... but that was the _edge_. And in _those_ storms, the dangerous bit was the _northwest_ edge, which hit Martin and St. Lucie, so what Palm Beach County in general and southern Palm Beach in particular got was the weak side. Wilma was different; the strong side was the southeast edge, which is why south Palm Beach and north Broward got hammered. That you got stronger winds this year _still_ doesn't make Wilma a stronger storm than Jeanne; Jeanne's sustained winds were higher, Jeanne's gusts were higher, Jeanne was slower and stayed in place for a longer time, and Jeanne spawned more and stronger tornadoes. In short, Jeanne was a more powerful storm... which mostly affected people to the north of you. There were people in my development in West Palm who got their roofs fixed from _last_ year's storms just before Wilma hit... You don't seem to want to accept this. You simply can't handle the truth.

You really have got to stop exagerating. Really.

BTW, I thought that I was going to get negative attention?

[Cody Dawg]

Yeah. Right. I live at Jupiter Inlet. On the Martin county line.

I think you're a moron.

[rozwado1]

Originally Posted by ogun

My house, all concrete including a concrete slab roof, came through Gilbert without significant damage.

What style of house do you have with a concrete slab roof? The only type of home I can picture where this would be possible is an uber contemporary one like so:

[ogun]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yeah. Right. I live at Jupiter Inlet. On the Martin county line.

I think you're a moron.

You said you lived in Boynton Beach. You even mentioned Hypoluxo Road, which is down in the Boynton-Lake Worth area.

And the eyes of Frances and Jeanne were north of Jupiter Inlet.

You really should stop exaggerating.

[ogun]

Originally Posted by rozwado1

What style of house do you have with a concrete slab roof? The only type of home I can picture where this would be possible is an uber contemporary one like so:

The house I had which had a slab roof was my house in Jamaica. Do try to read for comprehension. As I've said on MacNN, in other threads, I have my doubts about the roof on this house. It'll probably survive a Cat 4 but I feel quite sure that a Cat 5 will rip it up. That, and my experiences in Jamaica with Gilbert, are why I will be _gone_ from here if a Cat 5 heads this way. As I said in my initial post on this thread, if a Cat 5 heads for Palm Beach County, the sonic boom you hear on I-95 heading north will be me. I've been in a Cat 5. Once was enough, thanks.

And, oh, the Jamaican house was built in 1963. It's survived a lot of hurricanes from Flora on up, without significant damge.

Where's that negative attention you spoke of?