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SuvsareRetarded · 01:14 PM

K. Would a nano have enough power to drive a pair of Sony MDR V700s? I'm not looking for speculation, I'm looking for an answer.

Edited for emphasis: IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, GO AWAY. I DO NOT WANT YOUR AUDIOPHILE RETARDEDNESS TO INFECT MY BRAIN AND MAKE ME BROKE BY SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR TEFLON COATED BELLY BUTTON LINT OR SOME OTHER GARBAGE. EITHER ANSWER THE QUESTION, OR **** OFF AND GO AWAY!

Pendergast · Nov 20, 2005, 08:52 PM

You may get an answer here.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 20, 2005, 10:28 PM

Or maybe I'll get a bunch of guys with hard-ons trying to sound superior while not answering my question.

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1733308

Spliffdaddy · Nov 20, 2005, 10:51 PM

Your question got answered.

Shortly after they told you your headphones suck.

In a way, you got more information than you came for.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 20, 2005, 10:54 PM

Funny, the rest of the world thinks they sound fantastic. Even apple. http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...More=T4788LL/A

analogika · Nov 20, 2005, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Funny, the rest of the world thinks they sound fantastic. Even apple. http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...More=T4788LL/A

Dude, you know full well that, whatever the actual quality of your headphones, the "rest of the world. Even Apple" thinking they're fantastic means ****.

The "rest of the world. Even Apple" will happily sell you Bose equipment as excellent audio, when the only decent product they've ever made in their company history - near as I can tell - are their noise-reducing headphones.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 20, 2005, 11:22 PM

Fine. Google them. It's very difficult to find a review that says the sound quality is anything less then outstanding. G'head. Try. People bitcha bout the joints breaking, or the circular earmuffs that make your ears hurt after a few hours (argh, they're right about that too!), but I haven't seen ONE review that says they sound like ****. Not one.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 20, 2005, 11:32 PM

The Reviews

Before I start, let me explain about the V700s. During my first listening test track they were the last pair of cans I put on. The sound was so bad I threw them on the floor and didn't bother with them again. The exact notes I made at the time were "mids are too loud, bass is bloated and not very low, highs are quite recessed, and they're very veiled. I'm not going to bother with these now, they're not even in the same ballpark as the rest of the cans."

http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/archi...p/t-83034.html

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 20, 2005, 11:36 PM

I know. Other than that site, I can't find ****. The fact that they rated the Sony V6s above the V700s really shows their complete lack of consitency in their reviews. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The MDR V700s are better than the V6s in every respect, but they rate the V6s as having better sound quality... !??! They're just basically insane, I think. I listened to about 8 pairs of cans before settling on the MDR V700s. All over $100. The V700s sounded the best, with the most bass. Everything else just sounded weak.

ShortcutToMoncton · Nov 21, 2005, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

The V700s sounded the best, with the most bass. Everything else just sounded weak.

Oh, there you go. The most bass!! No wonder he's looking for sound quality! He's looking for the most bass! Don't bother arguing with him! His headphones have superior audio quality...they have the most bass!

Alright, I'm spent.

greg

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 21, 2005, 12:13 AM

I listen to electronic music, and I DJ as a hobby. Hence, the type of music I listen to has a lot of bass. Hence, I want headphones that have a lot of bass, not something that makes everything sound weak as hell. Hence, a prancy 'hi fi' set of headphones would NOT accurately reproduce the sound of the music I listen to, so they would have POOR SOUND QUALITY as the bass would be so minimal. I listened to pioneers, stantons, boses, sonys, all sorts of them. The V700s sound the best, for the type of music I listen to. I assure you that BT's smartbomb sounds spectacular on these headphones.

My concern is if a nano has the 'oomph' required to push 50mm drivers.

effgee · Nov 21, 2005, 12:19 AM

Why would you even give a crap what these guys think about your headphones? One (several) dude(s) think(s) they suck - so what? You like 'em and that's all that counts. You could have just written: "Thanks for your post but you didn't address my question. Anyone have a more specific answer?" ... but no, you had to fly off the handle - again.

Is there anything, anything at all that doesn't trip your fuse?

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 21, 2005, 12:39 AM

Dude. I asked a specific question. Then the guy comments on something totally unrelated to my question. My response? **** off. I wasn't asking about that, I was asking about something else entirely. And actually, I wasn't flying off the handle. I'm calm. I'm content. I'm relaxed. I just enjoy pissing off stupid people.

effgee · Nov 21, 2005, 12:42 AM

:shrug:

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 21, 2005, 12:46 AM

Indeed.

Ω · Nov 21, 2005, 12:57 AM

If only you had posted a little earlier as I could have told you if a shuffle could drive them - If those can then I think it would be safe to assume the nano can.

I do know that a 3G 30GB can drive them with no issue whatsoever.

Next time I am in the office I will give it a try (will be about 48 hours time)

ShotgunEd · Nov 21, 2005, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

I listen to electronic music, and I DJ as a hobby. Hence, the type of music I listen to has a lot of bass. Hence, I want headphones that have a lot of bass, not something that makes everything sound weak as hell. Hence, a prancy 'hi fi' set of headphones would NOT accurately reproduce the sound of the music I listen to, so they would have POOR SOUND QUALITY as the bass would be so minimal. I listened to pioneers, stantons, boses, sonys, all sorts of them. The V700s sound the best, for the type of music I listen to. I assure you that BT's smartbomb sounds spectacular on these headphones.

My concern is if a nano has the 'oomph' required to push 50mm drivers.

I don't agree with the audiophiles.

I think the weak link in your chain is the music you are listening to.

Kevin · 05:19 AM

This thread must all be full of Christians. According to Rob, that is all he argues with.

And Rob, it's not you. It's everyone else.

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1733308

1st thread in there are you already got defensive, and pissy with people trying to help you.

You need what they like to call.. .People Skills.

Doofy · Nov 21, 2005, 05:17 AM

I'm still wondering why audiophiles would know anything at all about Nanos and Sony headphones.

Pendergast · Nov 21, 2005, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Dude. I asked a specific question. Then the guy comments on something totally unrelated to my question. My response? **** off. I wasn't asking about that, I was asking about something else entirely. And actually, I wasn't flying off the handle. I'm calm. I'm content. I'm relaxed. I just enjoy pissing off stupid people.

V700s are the working good with teh tinfowl hats.

I say.

dav · Nov 21, 2005, 06:42 AM

can't you just take your v700s up to best buy or an apple store, plug them in a nano and try them out? probably won't have the exact music you want, but there ought to be something on there to give you an idea how the v700s perform.

Kevin · Nov 21, 2005, 07:08 AM

You could always buy or build a booster.

Judge_Fire · Nov 21, 2005, 08:16 AM

The Shuffle I have drives my Sennheiser HD280's nicely, they're 64 ohm headphones. If the Nano is based on the Shuffle, then it should be ok, better then the Mini and (older) big iPods, too.

http://home.comcast.net./~machrone/p...playertest.htm

But our preference in listening volume might differ, so as recommended above, take your headphones into a store and test it first.

J

production_coordinator · Nov 21, 2005, 08:27 AM

Wasn't this a "Question for Audiophiles"

The answers could be:
- Audiophiles don't listen to compressed music... PERIOD.
- Audiophiles don't listen to [insert any recording device besides a record or master] because of the low quality.

tooki · Nov 21, 2005, 09:16 AM

Actually, Rob, is there an Apple Store near you? I'm sure they have a Nano hooked up to a Mac, so just bring a few songs on a thumb drive and load them onto the iPod so you can play with your own headphones. It's a big enough purchase that they shouldn't scoff at you wanting to see if it's right for you.

tooki

memento · Nov 21, 2005, 09:55 AM

My first reaction was that the title of the thread is incorrect. As production_coordinator already mentioned, this isn't a question for audiophiles. My second reaction is that audiophiles wouldn't listen to Sony. And my third was that a GOOD set of headphones would ACCURATELY reproduce your music, whatever style it is. If the music has extra bass, then a good set of headphones would play that extra bass without a problem. If the music is thin, then a good set of headphones would sound thin.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 21, 2005, 11:09 AM

Well, people say grados are good headphones, but they lack bass.

So I guess they aren't accurate?

Kerrigan · Nov 21, 2005, 11:17 AM

Audiophiles should be locked up just like those other "philes"

Doofy · Nov 21, 2005, 11:20 AM

Buy some Beyer DTs and have done with it.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 21, 2005, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Audiophiles should be locked up just like those other "philes"

I tend to agree. I was just hoping one of them had some information I could use.

effgee · Nov 21, 2005, 11:26 AM

Not being one, I'm asking myself why an audiophile wouldn't be listening to his/her music using an iPod while on the go. Aside from the fact that the iPod most likely isn't the perfect vessel for flawless music reproduction, what's wrong with an iPod, a lossless encode of your music and a decent pair of headphones (Shure, AKG, Grado, whatever)?

Doofy · Nov 21, 2005, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by effgee

Not being one, I'm asking myself why an audiophile wouldn't be listening to his/her music using an iPod while on the go.

I'm no audiophile, but here's a possible answer:

For the audiophile, music is an event. Listening to it must be something that has their whole attention, it's an experience which shouldn't be diluted. Portable music can never be such an event (as you're also looking to make sure you don't step in something or get mugged).

Kerrigan · Nov 21, 2005, 11:47 AM

I wonder if they put in earplugs while they are on-the-go, to keep their exquisite, sensitive ears from being exposed to such boring, mediocre sounds such as pigeons or buses.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 21, 2005, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

Not being one, I'm asking myself why an audiophile wouldn't be listening to his/her music using an iPod while on the go. Aside from the fact that the iPod most likely isn't the perfect vessel for flawless music reproduction, what's wrong with an iPod, a lossless encode of your music and a decent pair of headphones (Shure, AKG, Grado, whatever)?

Lots of things, according to those dorks. They claim they need the iPod's dock connector to get better sound and a headphone amplifier.

Y3a · Nov 21, 2005, 12:41 PM

A great power amp, quiet low distortion pre-amp, and correctly set up speakers are hard to match in a set of headphones. Since all the iPod type players are using an audio amp IC, the sound isn't going to be wonderful anyway. headphones that are accurate will sound light on the bass, but be able to go deep, not just boomy. Many designs increase bass performance at about 60hZ and below, but deep bass isn't until 25hZ and below. The 30 year old design Koss Pro 4 aa headphones had great bass, but weighed a TON. Isolated well though...

MacNStein · Nov 21, 2005, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

I'm still wondering why audiophiles would know anything at all about Nanos and Sony headphones.

give this man a cupie doll! w00t.

MacNStein · Nov 21, 2005, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Lots of things, according to those dorks. They claim they need the iPod's dock connector to get better sound and a headphone amplifier.

Then stop asking "Audiophiles" for help, you dork.

For this question you need an EE, anyway.

dav · Nov 21, 2005, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

give this man a cupie doll! w00t.

or a tice clock

Eug Wanker · Nov 21, 2005, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Lots of things, according to those dorks. They claim they need the iPod's dock connector to get better sound and a headphone amplifier.

And they would be correct, judging by my mini. The quality from the dock connector with an outboard amp is definitely superior to using the headphone jack on the iPod mini in terms of sound quality.

I don't really care that much though, especially since I don't want to carry an outboard amp with me. It defeats the purpose of the mini (or nano). Still, they are absolutely correct.

BTW, while those Sony headphones are OK, they are far from being outstanding. That's OK though, since most outstanding cans can't be adequately powered by an iPod. I think the Sonys generally are very good value, but you can't expect the world for $149.

MacNStein · Nov 21, 2005, 02:59 PM

http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite...transid=004924

these sound great for the $, and they're comfortable and fold nicely.

CMYKid · Nov 21, 2005, 03:29 PM

The Sonys are just an even more crappified version of other models, this one geared towards DJs and consumer "music" makers. DJ gear is pretty much the antithesis of audiophile.

This is the same debate we had last month about home stereo speakers. "Accurately reflecting" Robs music doesnt require phones with the eq all f'd with like the Vs. Get a pair thats flat, the tracks already have the levels on them. Say you want a pair that further screws with the levels if you want, but dont think that a pair like those is an accurate reflection of the program track.

Its no different than these tard DJs that make a whole hour-long mix on their PC and mix the whole thing down on home stereo speakers that dont have any real response. Naturally it'd sound like $hit when played on a real PA. Square waves are one thing on your Crappy Bose home system, quite another on an 18" driver with thousands of watts of Crown power behind it.

besson3c · Nov 21, 2005, 05:40 PM

Stop egging Rob on guys. He has yet to directly insult anybody in this thread, and has been behaving himself relatively well. You've been asking for him to improve his behavior for months, if not years, and now that he is behaving you guys egg him on.

I know there must be grudges, but it's probably best not to air dirty laundry unless you want this to escalate to the usual...

besson3c · Nov 21, 2005, 05:42 PM

Stop egging Rob on guys. He has yet to directly insult anybody in this thread, and has been behaving himself relatively well. You've been asking for him to improve his behavior for months, if not years, and now that he is behaving you guys egg him on.

I know there must be grudges, but it's probably best not to air dirty laundry unless you want this to escalate to the usual...

analogika · Nov 21, 2005, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

I'm still wondering why audiophiles would know anything at all about Nanos and Sony headphones.

...or DJ equipment (as per that other thread on turntables).

However, my 5G iPod video sounds surprisingly good. Hooked up the line out to my Linn Majik-I yesterday, and it certainly gave the Cambridge Audio CD player a good run for the money on lossless material.

The turntable completely blew it out of the water, of course, but a) there isn't much on this planet that an LP12 *wouldn't* blow out of the water, and b) the LP12 costs ten times what the 60-gig iPod goes for. Duh.

Anyway, I'm very pleased with, and pleasantly surprised by, the sound quality of the 5G iPod.

Should I get new headphones to replace the aging aiwa earbuds I use (I rarely listen to it on 'phones), I certainly won't be looking at Sonys, though.

(I had a pair of closed Sony MD something or others for a while, though, that were nastily tuned to the regular Sony "hi-fi" curve of excessive boom and ouch highs, but they were great for studio sessions because they were loud as ****.)

OreoCookie · Nov 21, 2005, 06:16 PM

Just a quick question: why do you want to buy headphones which are much bigger than the iPod nano?

The iPod nano is not a tool for audiophiles, I guess. If the sound is close to my deceased 2nd gen iPod (20 GB), I can say, my headphones are good enough. Yup, Koss Porta Pro and they have two features which single them out: nicely foldable (thus: nice size) and a great warranty (I'll send them in again soon and I can be sure they send me new ones).

Having huge headphones and a tiny iPod is somewhat of a mismatch in my opinion

If I want really good sound quality, I use my stereo at home

fhoubi · Nov 21, 2005, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

The turntable completely blew it out of the water, of course, but a) there isn't much on this planet that an LP12 *wouldn't* blow out of the water, and b) the LP12 costs ten times what the 60-gig iPod goes for. Duh.

Here you go. Sorry, how much I otherwise agree with you, taking a LP12 and f.e. upgrade it with every available original upgrade-option you end up paying way beyond what a decent SME 20 costs, and a 30 BLOWS it. And buildwise, there is no comparison. You even start to wonder why you paid that much for a Linn. It's that why I think they sck.

analogika · Nov 21, 2005, 06:35 PM

Actually, the shuffle, nano, and 5G video sound a LOT better than the 2nd-generation iPods.

I certainly didn't get the iPod for its sound quality back when I got the first-gen 5G - there were definitely better-sounding options around then.

analogika · Nov 21, 2005, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by fhoubi

Here you go. Sorry, how much I otherwise agree with you, taking a LP12 and f.e. upgrade it with every available original upgrade-option you end up paying way beyond what a decent SME 20 costs, and a 30 BLOWS it. And buildwise, there is no comparison. You even start to wonder why you paid that much for a Linn. It's that why I think they sck.

Did you notice how I said "not much"?

I will NOT get into audiophile discussion. I completely turned my back on that market once I found a system that satisfies my needs, about ten years ago. I will eventually upgrade to the Lingo power supply for the turntable, and probably a used pair of Keilidhs, but that's it.

People raved about the Zarathustra, and while it sounded incredibly detailed and beautiful, it was also incredibly boring musically.

Nothing I've heard (note that limitiation) grooves like a 90s Linn, except live.

Which, of course, blows Linn clear out of the water.

-chris.

analogika · Nov 21, 2005, 06:43 PM

doublepost********s

OreoCookie · Nov 21, 2005, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Actually, the shuffle, nano, and 5G video sound a LOT better than the 2nd-generation iPods.

I certainly didn't get the iPod for its sound quality back when I got the first-gen 5G - there were definitely better-sounding options around then.

… and the Nano is an improvement? (I'll get one for xmas since my old one died.) I'm really glad to hear the sound quality has improved