[suprz's ghost]

Is it just me, or does anyone else work where people in supervisory positions, or mangement positions have absolutely NO PEOPLE SKILLS AT ALL!
Most of the places I have worked were all like this. People got promoted due to the time at the job and who they know instead of being promoted for what they know and how they treat and interact with their co-wokers. The american corporate system sucks genuine ass. I currently work at a fortune 500 company and the CEO makes 400,000.00 a week and last year got a 34% wage increase and a christmas bonus of 20 MILLION DOLLARS.
I believe that is unwaranted and grossly innappropriate.
Another thing I have noticed is when a company sales, profits, goes into a tailspin the company first looks to lay off employees who worked hard at their jobs and made no mistakes. but the mangers, and ceo's that made the poor decisions which placed the company in the position it is in, get retained

SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THESE IDIOTS THINK.......
the more i know people, the more i like my computer

[wallinbl]

The only solution to this is to wind your way to the top.

[suprz's ghost]

Originally Posted by wallinbl

The only solution to this is to wind your way to the top.

that'll never happen, I dont kiss enough ass, and i refiuse to blow my way to the top.
PLUS....I refuse to participate in a flawed system
hence why i do not vote

[turtle777]

What company are you working for ?

-t

[ort888]

Any company in the world. I don't understand it either. I think being a boss rots your brain.

[Dork.]

It's the peter principle at work. Good employees may eventually make good managers. But if someone is promoted into management who isn't really good at it, what are the odds that they will ever be de-moted to employee status again (and the reduced salary it entails)? Practically nil. So they hang on, doing a crappy job and putting their first emphasis on survival.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ort888

Any company in the world. I don't understand it either. I think being a boss rots your brain.

No. There are better and worse companies.

And just think about this: how about a boss who has a great EQ but NO IQ at all. That wouldn't be fun either. A healthy balance is what makes a great leader.

-t

[Doofy]

Management sucks because it hasn't read this.

[mduell]

Spoken like someone who has never been in a mangement or leadership position.

There are bad managers; some people are incompetent and/or malicious.

Your CEO is worth $40m a year to the board, and the board is keeping the stockholders happy.

[::maroma::]

It all depends. There are great managers out there. I happen to work for one of them. My brother on the other hand does not. His manager is an incompetent fool who couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag. And there is nothing my brother can do about it. He just has to sit there and take it up the arse or go find another job. But he's worked hard to get where he is in the company he works for, and then this manager comes along and screws everything up.

Some people know how to climb the ladder in business. Most of those people have no idea what to do when they get so high up on that ladder. They get scared and lose their balls. Only problem is, they have so many people underneath them that there's no way they can fall off of that ladder.

But its true that there are far more bad managers out there than good ones. That is why a lot of people follow certain managers when those managers move on to other places. When you find a great manager to work for you gotta stick with him/her. Otherwise you may never find one that is that good again.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ::maroma::

When you find a great manager to work for you gotta stick with him/her. Otherwise you may never find one that is that good again.

Hm, that wouldn't work in my company. If you wanted to make career, you are expected to make your way without the help of ONE person.

-t

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Hm, that wouldn't work in my company. If you wanted to make career, you are expected to make your way without the help of ONE person.

-t

I wasn't saying that you should rely on that good manager to help you get ahead in your career. I was just suggesting that when you find a good manager to work for, if that manager were to leave the company to work elsewhere then it might behoove you to follow him/her if possible. My Dad has that happen a lot. The few times he's changed companies he's had a few people follow him because he is a great manager and those people wanted to continue working for him no matter what company it was.

[nredman]

if you dont like the company you work for - quit - if you won't quit its not that bad

[suprz's ghost]

Originally Posted by mduell

Spoken like someone who has never been in a mangement or leadership position.

There are bad managers; some people are incompetent and/or malicious.

Your CEO is worth $40m a year to the board, and the board is keeping the stockholders happy.

I have been in a management position, th epeople who worked for me liked me and above that, they RESPECTED me because i got to management status because of my hard work.

My CEO is not worth 40 Miilion a year, because NO ONE is worth 40 million a year. and you pointed out one of the biggest flaws in american corporate society, "keeping the stockholders happy" It has now become more important to keep the stockholders happy, then to make a quality product or have long term sight and goals for a company, and the employees who make the company run. Corporate america is under the impression that a worker is "Disposable". just like everything else. They bitch about how the workers dont work hard enough, and the workers bitch about the lack of commitment, and loyalty the company has for it's workers.

corporate america is ******** and it sucks. a CEO does not deserve half the perks that they get, and it makes me sick.

[macroy]

Originally Posted by suprz's ghost

I have been in a management position, th epeople who worked for me liked me and above that, they RESPECTED me because i got to management status because of my hard work.

My CEO is not worth 40 Miilion a year, because NO ONE is worth 40 million a year. and you pointed out one of the biggest flaws in american corporate society, "keeping the stockholders happy" It has now become more important to keep the stockholders happy, then to make a quality product or have long term sight and goals for a company, and the employees who make the company run. Corporate america is under the impression that a worker is "Disposable". just like everything else. They bitch about how the workers dont work hard enough, and the workers bitch about the lack of commitment, and loyalty the company has for it's workers.

corporate america is ******** and it sucks. a CEO does not deserve half the perks that they get, and it makes me sick.

If you can do it better, go ahead - start your own company then. While I 100% agree with you that there are a bunch of ignorant, useless, lame people in leadership positions - The good ones far outnumber the bad ones.

And a person is 'worth' whatever someone is willing to pay for them.... so your CEO IS in fact worth 40 million.

[KeriVit]

I have seen too many mangers act stupid and ruin a perfectly good department due to poor people skills.

I am a good manager. Really. My peeps like me. But I am the boss first, friend second. I learn from every person that has ever worked for me and recognize my faults. I try to better myself and those that work for me.

A pat on the back goes a long way in this world.

[turtle777]

Well, we shall see. I'll be promoted next year and in charge of a bunch of people. Let's see if I suddenly become incompetent and a social a$$hole...

-t

[Y3a]

The BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH STOCKHOLDERS is that generally they are not qualified to run a business. The idiot suggestions they force on large companies is the problem. Being rich doesn't infer intelligence. They ruin a creative culture or special group of folks within an organization, try and install their own stooges, and cause rifts between management and workers. Investors should only have the right to collect profits on stocks, or sell those stocks to others, NOT forcing their unqualified opinions onto a company that is doing well. Wanting MORE profits from the company is GREED, and it affects the bottom line when they tamper where they don't belong.

[Hash]

I work as a middle level manager for a second year now (before that I had worked for a year as a deputy manager and my boss got fired ), I am managing 143 people and my decisions affect lives of 2000 more people. And this is heck of responsibility, I am under constant pressure from upper echelon guys but I do try to make life of my people better and get good work results at same time.

And, believe me, there is no harder time for me than calling someone to come to my office and asking his/her resignation because WE HAVE TO and the one who has to inform about it the redundant person is me. I really try to do it as nicely as possible. Cause I feel the pain. And most cruel thing is that I know no matter how hard I try, I can't make them better off. This is life. There is nothing I can do about it.

I have a secretary, a nice, really nice, hard working good-looking young woman who studies at same time for MBA. She is one of most beautiful girls I ever met. But I know I can't just invite her for a dinner or have a nice chat. Office rules, if you like. If I was an ordinary office employee, I could chat with her, invite her to dinner and have a nice party. But I can't cause I am her boss.

So I simply try not to make their life a hell, be a reasonable man, try to be as fair as possible. What else I can do. It seems that my people like me or at least do not hate me. But the only thing which matters in this world is unfortunately only results. So, we gotta have good results. Thats the ultimate goal why I and 143 of my staff are here for.

I know that in Japan, a company is like a second home/family to people and they used to never fire people (Canon still has that policy). Maybe its a right one. Cause are the business results the main thing in this life? I do not think so.

[wdlove]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Well, we shall see. I'll be promoted next year and in charge of a bunch of people. Let's see if I suddenly become incompetent and a social a$$hole...

-t

I'm confident that you will do very well in a management position.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by wdlove

I'm confident that you will do very well in a management position.

Thanks.

Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, do you need a job ?

-t

[suprz's ghost]

And a person is 'worth' whatever someone is willing to pay for them.... so your CEO IS in fact worth 40 million.[/QUOTE]

That reminds me of one of my favorite sayings "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers"

[ort888]

I made a bad boss because I was too nice to my employees. I put my employees happiness above my store's profit margin. I'm just a sucker like that. Then again, we had two bosses and we got to play "good cop — bad cop". It was sorta planned that way and it worked out well. He was a good guy, but he was better at laying down the law then I was. I'm better at keeping people happy and resolving conflicts. The most important thing is to lead by example and make sure that you are always the hardest working member on the staff. Show the people you work with how you want the job done and make sure they understand that they are on a team, not simply carrying out your orders while you go in the back and count your money.

I do love being in charge though. I miss it. Being a powerless peon sucks.

[wdlove]

Originally Posted by turtle777

Thanks.

Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, do you need a job ?

-t

Are you hiring?

[NYCFarmboy]

Originally Posted by suprz's ghost

Is it just me, or does anyone else work where people in supervisory positions, or mangement positions have absolutely NO PEOPLE SKILLS AT ALL!
Most of the places I have worked were all like this. People got promoted due to the time at the job and who they know instead of being promoted for what they know and how they treat and interact with their co-wokers. The american corporate system sucks genuine ass. I currently work at a fortune 500 company and the CEO makes 400,000.00 a week and last year got a 34% wage increase and a christmas bonus of 20 MILLION DOLLARS.
I believe that is unwaranted and grossly innappropriate.
Another thing I have noticed is when a company sales, profits, goes into a tailspin the company first looks to lay off employees who worked hard at their jobs and made no mistakes. but the mangers, and ceo's that made the poor decisions which placed the company in the position it is in, get retained

SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THESE IDIOTS THINK.......
the more i know people, the more i like my computer