[Ado]

http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news...478/index.html

Talks about how the Ashkenazi Jews are the new "pure race" straight from Noah himself...?
Interesting read as it touches on genetics, eugenics and enviromental exposure to behaviours.

If this type of thinking still dangerous or is it the "WILL" of man...?

I personally have no problem with this article as I don't believe it, but is this being hypocrytical?
Are we forbidden to even discuss anything with the "J@#" word in it?

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Last summer, Henry Harpending, an evolutionary anthropologist at the University of Utah, and Gregory Cochran, an independent scholar with a flair for controversy, skipped cheerfully into the center of this minefield. The two shopped around a paper that tried to establish a genetic argument for the fabled intelligence of Jews. It contended that the diseases most commonly found in Ashkenazim—particularly the lysosomal storage diseases, like Tay-Sachs—were likely connected to and, indeed, in some sense responsible for outsize intellectual achievement in Ashkenazi Jews.


Quote:
Though Jews make up a mere 0.25 percent of the world’s population and a mere 3 percent of the United States’, they account, according to their paper, for 27 percent of all American Nobel Prize winners, 25 percent of all ACM Turing Award winners for computer science, and 50 percent of the globe’s chess champions.


Quote:
So. Is this study good for the Jews? I talk to Abe Foxman, legendary head of the Anti-Defamation League, whose life’s mission is the pristine upkeep of the Jewish reputation. His answer surprises me. “If it’s a genetic condition,” he says, “it’s not for us to embrace or reject. It is what it is, and that’s the way the genetic cookie crumbles.” I detect a note of pride in his voice.

Quote:
“BiDil is more effective for some, rather than all, African-American hypertensives,” says Ostrer. “Race, in this context, should always be used as an interim measure to see us through a period of ignorance,” agrees Goldstein. “Once we know the underlying genetic or environmental factors that influence individual responses, you consider those directly and ignore race.”

Talk to most geneticists, and they’ll say that it’s a combination of genetics and environment that inevitably makes us who we are—attempts to link specific behaviors, aptitudes, and weaknesses to genes and genes alone almost always come up short. Lynn Jorde, professor of genetics at the University of Utah School of Medicine, gives but one example: For a while, it was assumed that a particular variant of monoamine oxidase caused antisocial behavior. Then several thousand children in New Zealand with this variant were followed for a period of more than twenty years. Researchers found that their subjects misbehaved only if they’d been abused as children—if they hadn’t, there was none. “We’ll probably find that there are genes that influence behavior,” says Jorde. “But I’m quite certain we won’t find genes that determine behavior.”

[Athens]

if they are smarter, then why do they keep ****ing up the Middle East

[- - e r i k - -]

Oh the irony.

[iMOTOR]

Originally Posted by Athens

if they are smarter, then why do they keep ****ing up the Middle East

[Super Mario]

If I pat your back and you pat my back we can both win the No Bell Prize ding ding ding ding! Ashkenazi Jews for the most part smell and have dandruff and give the Asian Israeli Jewish citizens a pain in the ass.

[Cubeoid]

Originally Posted by Ado

Though Jews make up a mere 0.25 percent of the world’s population and a mere 3 percent of the United States’,

THIS IS Bull-Sheit!!!

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

THIS IS Bull-Sheit!!!

well explain why?

[3andahalfeyed]

Aren't there some Jewish people that claim to have a superior gene when it comes to alcohol and drug addiction resistance?

And then some saying that groups like Irish and Native Americans having weaker genes in this category due to their high levels of alcoholism. (Don't forget yrs. of supression on both groups too)

It may be questioned, but it will be so wrong claim proof with such a smuggish attitude though.

Not really much to do with the brain but still this topic mentions the use of genes though.

[Cubeoid]

Originally Posted by Athens

well explain why?

There are just WAAY more Jews then that in the US, they RUN america, are everywhere! There are plenty of closet-Jews too, ones who change their names!

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by 3andahalfeyed

Aren't there some Jewish people that claim to have a superior gene when it comes to alcohol and drug addiction resistance?

And then some saying that groups like Irish and Native Americans having weaker genes in this category due to their high levels of alcoholism. (Don't forget yrs. of supression on both groups too)

It may be questioned, but it will be so wrong claim proof with such a smuggish attitude though.

Not really much to do with the brain but still this topic mentions the use of genes though.

Pff.... due to a similar financial independence American Jews are only second to real WASPs in the number of recreational prescription drugs they take. Neither has an edge in resistance to addiction just better access to quality drugs than the rest of you.

Micks like krauts have an ingrained cultural tie to alcohol use. Its not a weakness or susceptibility it is just a lack of social condemnation for binge drinking. Alcohol use is celebrated and accepted by their cultural roots which as a result makes its use more prevalent. "Native Americans" on the other hand have higher rates of addiction due to the fact that you 5th and beyond generation Americans raped them of their land and stuck them in reservations with no hope of upward mobility. Being put in such a hopeless situation would drive most people to drink.

As for Ashkenazi Jews being the new pure race? Doubtful. There's too much intermingling in the past 3 generations. On top of that many of them have married apathetic gentiles who didn't really care much about the denomination of their offspring and allowed them to be raised in the Hebrew tradition. Hell, 3 out of every 5 girls I have dated since the day I went to college have been of the Tribe and I come from roots as Catholic as the Pope. If it wasn't for Djerassi I would probably have a couple of half Jewish kids. Though I could see why Ashkenazi's would have to keep it more in the family since Sephardic Jews tend to be way hotter. All those Eastern European genes in the ashkenazi make them all pale and yucky looking thus attracting way fewer people who spread the line.

[Captain Obvious]

Well, now that I read the actual article instead of just the banter around here I am at least glad it covered the one theory I have been a proponent of for years: The perception that Jews and Asians are smarter isn't completely unfounded. A high importance put on education by the culture a child is brought up in will yield results. It is not a matter of one race being smarter than another but rather that one culture is more nurturing of a person's intellect than others.

But this isn't just something that can be applied to just eduction. I am sure divorce rates are lower and parent involvement is higher in Italian, Hispanic, and Greek families in the US because of cultural stresses on religion and the importance of the family unit. And to an extent the problems the African American community suffers from today can be attributed in large part to the lack of shared cultural identify, values, and cohesion.

I would put more weight into genetic theories applied to races if there was such a thing as a pure race. Even if there was ever any truth to the theory modern medicine and widespread crossing of genetic lines today really washes away much of the credibility to the theory. It might be possible to predict some characteristics and flaws based on the immediate linage of a child but there is no guarantee those traits will be passed on to his offspring if he diverts from lines similar to his, which he probably will in today's world.

Genetics are a good predictor of an individual's potential but cultural forces are more likely to shape a race than genetics ever could today.

[Mastrap]

Who are you and what have you done to Captain Obvious?

In other words, that post made total sense.

[Millennium]

I'm inclined to agree with Captain Obvious here: the percieved 'higher intelligence' comes not from genetics, but from a centuries-old emphasis on education and intelligence in their culture. If other cultures would adopt similar emphasis, they would see similar results in following generations.

Of course, this isn't likely to ever advance beyond the hypothetical stage, because actual experimentation would require cultural modification on an absurd scale. Furthermore, I suspect that certain groups would have a vested interest in keeping this hypothesis from being proven or disproven, because if culture were to be able to have such a positive effect if applied in certain ways, then it stands to reason that culture could also have negative effects if applied in other ways.

[JoshuaZ]

Originally Posted by Millennium

I'm inclined to agree with Captain Obvious here: the percieved 'higher intelligence' comes not from genetics, but from a centuries-old emphasis on education and intelligence in their culture. If other cultures would adopt similar emphasis, they would see similar results in following generations.

Wow, took the words out of my mouth. Intelligence makes a different when your culture says "learn learn learn." Learn a second language, read these books, memorize these scriptures. Which is why many cultures have disliked the Jews throughout the ages...

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Who are you and what have you done to Captain Obvious?

In other words, that post made total sense.

I agree!

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Who are you and what have you done to Captain Obvious?

In other words, that post made total sense.

He's usually correct. He's just not politically correct.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Millennium

I'm inclined to agree with Captain Obvious here: the percieved 'higher intelligence' comes not from genetics, but from a centuries-old emphasis on education and intelligence in their culture.

Most of those very intelligent Jewish people they mention like Einstein etc didn't even follow any of this centuries old Judaism which was not very intelligent or anything. The European enlightenment is the reason for higher intelligence in the last centuries not some few people from one religion. And if anyone wants to make a big show of intelligence most of the great inventors and scientists of our age are not Jewish. Most have no time for any religion because they are busy coming up with ideas and making the money.

[willed]

That would be a double post, then...

[willed]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Most of those very intelligent Jewish people they mention like Einstein etc didn't even follow any of this centuries old Judaism which was not very intelligent or anything. The European enlightenment is the reason for higher intelligence in the last centuries not some few people from one religion. And if anyone wants to make a big show of intelligence most of the great inventors and scientists of our age are not Jewish. Most have no time for any religion because they are busy coming up with ideas and making the money.

I think you're confusing genetic Judaism (i.e. being of Israelite descent) with religious Judaism. While Einstein may not have been a practicing Jew, he was irrevocably Jewish, due to his parentage.


What I think is interesting here is a clash between two idea-sets.
The first is the modern preconception that genetics can ultimately tell us everything about ourselves, and can be blamed for all of our mistakes and weaknesses.
The second is the almost opposing modern acceptance that we should not stereotype ethnic groups (Jews being a particularly touchy subject obviously).

I am willing to accept that one ethnic group could hypothetically be more predisposed genetically to academia than another, or that one group could be more likely to be stronger than another (compare black men to Asian men for example. Black men are more likely to be stronger/taller. I'm not being racist, I think that research would probably bear this out).

The question here seems to be a nature vs nurture debate - is the general success of Jewish people down to their educational traditions or their genetics? I'd be willing to say that it could be a combination of both, but I would imagine that many may be scared of acknowledging, in this post-Auschwitz world, that the characteristics of a whole ethnic group could be predicted, in broad strokes, by genetics, while at the same time most people would accept the role of our genes in our own personal fates.




I wonder if anyone followed that...?

[Kerrigan]

Has anyone here ever heard of the University of Utah before? Whenever I read about mid-western universities and the research they are doing, it is always in relation to BS topics like intelligent design, or in this case, racial purity.

I believe, as someone said above, that the Enlightenment is responsible for most of the great achievements in the world during the last 300 years. It is more important for our society to focus on intellectual freedom, equality, and the dignity of individuals. These may sound like old fashioned cliches but they are very important, time tested values.

Genetic superiority has been embraced before by the Victorians and more notoriously by the early 20th century scientists and philosophers, and it always has a disastrous outcome.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Adolf

Your post is transparent.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Most of those very intelligent Jewish people they mention like Einstein etc didn't even follow any of this centuries old Judaism which was not very intelligent or anything. The European enlightenment is the reason for higher intelligence in the last centuries not some few people from one religion. And if anyone wants to make a big show of intelligence most of the great inventors and scientists of our age are not Jewish. Most have no time for any religion because they are busy coming up with ideas and making the money.

They aren't talking religion. They are talking genes.

[SVass]

The article is pure nonsense! All European Jews do not descend from a few who went north in the tenth century from Spain and Italy. Modern dna testing indicates multiple sources including some who enlisted in the Roman army, others who came from Khazaria (Ukraine), and some directly related to the Picts and Celts.

It is true that male Jews learned to read and Christian peasants were intentionally denied a real education by those in power in feudal Europe. This experiment may have been repeated recently between some of our own states. sam

[Kerrigan]

Frankly I agree with what Super Mario said above, that the Enlightenment was the impetus which propelled the world into the modern age. And the man who arguably had the greatest impact on developing empricism and the scientific method was David Hume, a Scottish man, whose genes were no doubt tainted by the "barbaric" celtic race. Or what about Voltaire, aren't the French supposed to be part of that inferior Latin race? Benjamin Franklin, the greatest thinker of his age, descended from "vexed and confused Englishmen"?

There are many, many examples of people from common stock or marginalised races, who go on to transform their era.

The West has already explored ways to bring about racial purity during the Victorian era and the first half of the 20th century. Nothing good ever comes of it.

[Salty]

Holy frick... Cap O made a decent post...

Does this mean people are going to expect me to start making sense!?

[ReggieX]

Originally Posted by Salty

Holy frick... Cap O made a decent post...

Does this mean people are going to expect me to start making sense!?

Don't get ahead of yourself, mang.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Most of those very intelligent Jewish people they mention like Einstein etc didn't even follow any of this centuries old Judaism which was not very intelligent or anything. The European enlightenment is the reason for higher intelligence in the last centuries not some few people from one religion. And if anyone wants to make a big show of intelligence most of the great inventors and scientists of our age are not Jewish. Most have no time for any religion because they are busy coming up with ideas and making the money.

You are a confused person.
No one is claiming that history's greatest thinkers were all Jews. The thesis is that Jews as a group have a higher than average intelligence when compared to people from other ethnic backgrounds. That is not disproved by showing that Voltaire and Newton weren't of the Heeb persuasion.

You just have a pole up your butt because this involves religion. Religion is quite a powerful vehicle for disseminating knowledge and advancing the human species. It may irk you people to no end but it is responsible for the spreading of literacy to common people and the social pressure (what's left of it) for people to remain as family units which is very valuable to society. The "European enlightenment" was made possible because the elitists who began it were taught to read scriptures at an early age. Just because they may not have been religious themselves does not mean that the values that fostered their intellect were not based on religion.

Without that element guiding the pursuit of knowledge there would have been no "big show" of intelligence.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by Salty

Holy frick... Cap O made a decent post...

Does this mean people are going to expect me to start making sense!?

I am smarter than most people, deal with it. And I am not even a little bit Jewish.

[Kerrigan]

Captain O, I am quite confused, I thought I agreed with Super Mario, mainly because I just skimmed through his post and saw how he said that the Enlightenment is the movement from which all modern scholarly thought has grown out of.

But after reading what he said more closely, and reading your latest response, I'd rather take sides with you on this debate.

edit: I think that the best example of how religion can effect a society's "intelligence" is the difference between Protestant countries of northern Europe from the Catholic southern countries. Any economic historian will tell you that protestant countries in Europe for centuries have had more efficient, well developed economies. This difference can be explained by something quite simple: the protestants encourage individual reading of the bible in order to get a personal understanding of god, and this resulted in higher literacy, and a larger skilled workforce. As a result, more sophisticated centres of learning were developed, which further encouraged people to study and develop their society. Catholics rarely read the bible or anything else, which explains why they continued to exist under a patriarchal society where learning was not important.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

The West has already explored ways to bring about racial purity during the Victorian era and the first half of the 20th century. Nothing good ever comes of it.

you got it man. Jewish genes, Aryan genes, black man genes, it's a big ****ing stupid lie by some stupid ****ing scientist who doesn't know the difference between his wife and his boyfriend. Racial nonsense. We are all human all the way and superiority is in the study and effort. Einstein would be selling kebabs to taxi drivers if he never went to school where he was mostly a bad student. Da Vinci I can tell you is one of the greatest inventors of all time and he was a gay Catholic. He put very much effort in his studies and that is what made him great.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

you got it man. Jewish genes, Aryan genes, black man genes, it's a big ****ing stupid lie by some stupid ****ing scientist who doesn't know the difference between his wife and his boyfriend. Racial nonsense. We are all human all the way and superiority is in the study and effort. Einstein would be selling kebabs to taxi drivers if he never went to school where he was mostly a bad student. Da Vinci I can tell you is one of the greatest inventors of all time and he was a gay Catholic. He put very much effort in his studies and that is what made him great.

Ok this post didn't really address anything he said mario.

[bstone]

Originally Posted by Athens

if they are smarter, then why do they keep ****ing up the Middle East

Translation: why don't they just walk into the gas chambers and turn them on?

Athens, the new anti-semite.

[Azzgunther]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

you got it man. Jewish genes, Aryan genes, black man genes, it's a big ****ing stupid lie by some stupid ****ing scientist who doesn't know the difference between his wife and his boyfriend. Racial nonsense. We are all human all the way and superiority is in the study and effort. Einstein would be selling kebabs to taxi drivers if he never went to school where he was mostly a bad student. Da Vinci I can tell you is one of the greatest inventors of all time and he was a gay Catholic. He put very much effort in his studies and that is what made him great.

Genetics are real.

Populations of Native Americans have very high predispositions to alcoholism; not because of culture but purely based on genetics. Addiction is genetic. Is it such a stretch to say that the mind is different than the body? Do you deny the African American is generally a quicker athlete? Could a group (Jews in this instance) not also have a small evolutionary distinction? I'm quite willing to believe that it is part nature part nurture.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

I am smarter than most people, deal with it. And I am not even a little bit Jewish.

So am I and there isn't a Jewish gene to be found in me.

cheers

W-Y

[Cubeoid]

Don't forget the closet-jews guys!

[Athens]

Originally Posted by bstone

Translation: why don't they just walk into the gas chambers and turn them on?

Athens, the new anti-semite.

you know what **** - YOU !

Slanderous liar

[Cubeoid]

whoa! :shock:

[Athens]

im not going to take being called a anti-semite, or racist from any one.

[Cubeoid]

Originally Posted by Athens

im not going to take being called a anti-semite, or racist from any one.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Azzgunther

Genetics are real.

Populations of Native Americans have very high predispositions to alcoholism; not because of culture but purely based on genetics. Addiction is genetic. Is it such a stretch to say that the mind is different than the body? Do you deny the African American is generally a quicker athlete? Could a group (Jews in this instance) not also have a small evolutionary distinction? I'm quite willing to believe that it is part nature part nurture.

******** man. You believe some **** you saw on tv or your buddy told you on the net and that's it you don't even question it logistically because Americans are so used to funny race theories and creationism and all that ****.

Did you once see a porno movie and think all black guys have 15 inch dicks? Did you see a kung fu movie and think all Chinese guys can fly? Or only black guys are good boxers? lol you fool, the Germans were told all Jews have horns and hook noses and rule the world and now it's the same thing with this **** theory that Jews are so ****ing blessed and special. My ass. Individuals are special because of many reasons. Genes are only a very small part of the overall make up of what makes a person achieve greatness it is said by the top 'real' scientists. Most Jews I met are just as normal as any other person. In every culture there are achievers and has nothing to do with some whacky ideas of races. haha wacky races.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Athens

you know what F U C K - Y O U !

Slanderous liar

Someone with a wacky races theory calling you racist because you don't believe in wacky races theory is f u c k i n g funny man. You can sue him for that and get ten billion dollars to buy all the PS3s in the world and make a huge networked arcade.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

I am sure divorce rates are lower and parent involvement is higher in Italian, Hispanic, and Greek families in the US because of cultural stresses on religion and the importance of the family unit.

"Captain Obviously not informed" Italy has the highest rate of divorce in Europe. Brazil has the highest rate of murder and rape in South America. Greece has a very high rate of deaths from vendetta killings and drugs. Mexico the same. Prostitution and AIDS in Catholic dense nations is higher than UK or USA. Your propaganda is too convince members that religion will make their life and family better. It will make you super smart like super religious Ashkenazi Jews too hahahaha. I'm sure you didn't read that the majority of the top intelligent Israelis and those who contribute more to the Israeli economy and want peace with Arabs are of Sephardic, Iraqi, Persian and Palestinian families before 1947. They have trouble with Ashkenazis in that the Ashkenazi are mostly Hassidic and don't work so live off the taxes of the rest of Israel. They don't work and they force the rest of Israelis to not work on Saturday if they want to. They are the least intelligent of Israelis and drill their children's minds the same way fundamentalists Muslims do in Afghanistan, Arabian and Pakistani madrassas. Shame on you Capitano Obvious.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Super Mario: Do you have any facts to back up your claims? These are very interesting accusations you make and it would be very interesting to see if you can back all of them up too

cheers

W-Y

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Super Mario: Do you have any facts to back up your claims? These are very interesting accusations you make and it would be very interesting to see if you can back all of them up too

cheers

W-Y

im to busy at work to find the proof for Super Mario, but I can vouche for the stats as being correct from what I have read and what has been on the news and newspapers for the last year.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Super Mario: Do you have any facts to back up your claims? These are very interesting accusations you make and it would be very interesting to see if you can back all of them up too

cheers

W-Y

No problemo. Just ask specific questions instead of some silly wacky races theory. You know, like if you ask "Are black people stronger than white people?' First I'll say wtf is black people and white people? Then I'll just say the world's strongest man competition every year is nearly almost always won by a white man whatever that is. Then I'll say the best boxing records were held by an Italian American and a Mexican. Then I'll say half the Mr Olympias and most of the Mr. Universes were held by white men fair men or whatever wacky race category some of you believe in.

Or do you want to ask specifics like Italy's divorce rate which is so well known it's shocking to me you don't even know it. Or drugs, murder, AIDS and prostition in many Catholic dense countries. If you haven't heard about this I wouldn't be surprised if you believe a man can walk on water. Ask if you must.

You see, when someone comes up with a silly theory you have to break it down into logistics and ask small small questions. Then you see that the theories don't even work out in reality. If they say X people are highly intelligent you go and check it out and you see that only 3% of X people are notable which is the same as nearly any area of the world's population. Hindus have many programmers and scientists now but the majority of India is illiterate. Arabs like to claim they had some scientific success many years ago like algebra. They say things like that to make their people look great!!!!! But the majority are the same everywhere in the world. The 3% means nothing.

[Weyland-Yutani]

I have to admit I do not know my neighbouring country better than so, that I do not have Italy's divorce statistics at the ready. If you have them, please share them! I wonder also how common it is in Italy for people to get married compared to other countries, but that is perhaps information you do not have.

I make no excuses for Brazil and I am aware of the immensely high murder rate there, it is a country that has poverty out of control. Not surprisingly it is a very dangerous country. The Spanish-speaking countries are far safer, although not without danger.

It would also be worthwhile to see statistics on the prevelance of HIV in individual Catholic countries vs. protestant countries.

Just those two things, the divorce rating and HIV prevalance. ¡Muchismas gracias colega!

cheers

W-Y

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by bstone

Translation: why don't they just walk into the gas chambers and turn them on?

Athens, the new anti-semite.

I think your post was just as bad as his. Maybe he didn't quite understand how things work down there.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

******** man. You believe some **** you saw on tv or your buddy told you on the net and that's it you don't even question it logistically because Americans are so used to funny race theories and creationism and all that ****.

Mario, take some advice. Shut up now before you evermore be known as an idiot in these forums.

Just some advice.

You really have no clue what "Americans" are so used to.

None. Nada. Zilch.

BTW American is just a reflection of he rest of the world.

Oh, and this thread has NOTHING TO DO ABOUT RELIGION. But about genes.

So take your foaming at the mouth, anti-religious zealousness elsewhere please.

THX.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Just those two things, the divorce rating and HIV prevalance. ¡Muchismas gracias colega!

cheers

W-Y

I am Italian so I'll share with you some knowledge of your ahem neighbour country.

Divorce was legalised in 1970. Thereafter many people who had wanted divorce for years rushed for it and in the years that followed the rate of increase in divorces was higher than many Europeans countries. In 1997 it was said in the news that Italy had the highest divorce rate apart from UK than the rest of the EU. After that it stabilised but many say the numbers have been changed by the Vatican's friends in government. Many young Italians since the EU eased travel in 1999 now go to work in London or Paris so marriage is very down so the divorce rate is stable. It's a skewed figure because it doesn't tell you about Italians who are moving around.

Then HIV my friend. The Vatican and Catholic culture in general has been active in prohibting safe sex and condoms. So much for the religious family values. Many prostitutes work in Italy, many Italians and now from Albania and Romania. Sex slavery is very high in Italy. This can only be possible if there is a demand for prostitutes. Who are the customers?

AIDS in Brazil is scary. The rate is so high and once more the lack of safe sex or sex education is a problem that contributes to the increase of AIDS. The Catholic church there actually went around saying condoms don't work. They do the same in Africa were they have influence. In Catholic parts of India like Goa, the south and Sri Lanka they also have an AIDS epidemic. Why isn't the family value ethic of catholicism working there?

I could go on and on but it's so obvious that anyone who thinks religion of any kind or any culture creates superior beings or families is still stuck in the days of the theories of the Nazis and racial elitists. There is no culture or religion or race that makes people more intelligent or stronger or anything. That is down to individual achievement. You can be given nothing and be an achiever. Or you can be born with a silver spoon in your mouth and end up doing nothing until you shoot yourself.

And I must add that if you look at the greatest thinkers and inventors they were living under the influence of the Enlightenment and industrial age. I lived in London for some years as a chef. I saw that many Indians and Pakistanis were highly intelligent in the UK but in their own countries there was more religious "family values" but illiteracy, bad education and violence. Living in a modern country brings out the best of people. Same with this super Jew wacky race theory. Those "Ashkenazis" were European and living under the Enlightenment. If they were in the middle east we would never have heard of them

[Kevin]

Mario you have dodged his request 3 times now.

Gonna go for a third?

He isn't asking for "from what I have seen in my life"

He is asking for actual statistics backing up your claims.