[besson3c]

Posting this to the lounge since some might want to discuss and critique this movie based on its merits as a movie, despite the fact that some may want to discuss the political implications and suggestions of this movie. Kevin and others, please spare us with your armchair modding critique explaining where you think this thread belongs...

This was a very interesting movie. The story was very fast paced and required my full attention to watch. The movie also seemed longer than most movies, but held my interest throughout most of it. If you are looking for a thoughtful intellectual movie, you should enjoy Syriana. If you are looking for Jackie Chan kicking terrorist ass, this isn't that movie.

What I thought particularly interesting was how the Iranian terrorist children were depicted. The movie was designed so that viewers grow an attachment and interest in these characters. Instead of being depicted as pure EVAL terrorist psychos that want to take over the world and cackle about their devious plans while clenching their fists, we were given an insight into how the stress and duress of their everyday lives lead to them being "converted" to spread their religious ideology. It showed that how pressure and one's environment can lead to these sorts of decisions, and how these decisions are often made out of a sense of helplessness. What else could these children have done with their lives?

I haven't read much about this movie yet, but I'm sure that some on the far Right will have pegged Clooney as a terrorist sympathizer. I would disagree with this. I think he depicted everybody fairly, and also really made me think about what sort of conspiracy theory the government (any government) might be involved with on foreign soil where they cannot be easily monitored back home.

Any other thoughts about this movie?

[dcmacdaddy]

If you don't want this to be political . . . wait for it . . . don't make it political yourself.

You could have fully discussed the movie as a work of cinematic art without ever mentioning Zimphy or "those on the Far Right".

So, it looks like you already ruined the chance to have any non-political discussion about this movie.

Why don't you get the mods to close this thread and start over without all your political comments in the original post.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

If you don't want this to be political . . . wait for it . . . don't make it political yourself.

You could have fully discussed the movie as a work of cinematic art without ever mentioning Zimphy or "those on the Far Right".

So, it looks like you already ruined the chance to have any non-political discussion about this movie.

Why don't you get the mods to close this thread and start over without all your political comments in the original post.

I didn't say I don't want it to be political. I said that some might want to make political comments, some might want to make movie comments. I'm interested in both, or either. I made comments on both aspects of this movie.

As far as ruining my chances, I've never had any sort of thread not ruined around here since I generally don't like posting serious threads about non-controversial topics, so I've given up hope of civil discourse.

[Pendergast]

I saw it after I posted this in another thread (not MacNN). I thought it was great. I especially love the irony of the whole thing; Democracy championed by the US is destroyed elsewhere by the US, then the missile the CIA does not bother investigate the new owners, yet, it blows against the interest they try to protect, etc...

I thought it was awesome.

But I also thought Clooney and Damon did great jobs as actors. The story was easy to follow if you keep in mind they're all crooks; logical levels are not respected.

So the CIA is fornicating with private business, and the political is helping to make it a perverted threesome. In other countries, people have to convert to another religion to survive, and become the weapon of their own destruction. In the end, only the people at home with power wins. But for how long, since fall guys are necessary and can be found by however has a hold on the handles?

Those who sacrifice themselves do so for nothing; the idealists die because they are naive and the foot soldiers are just pawns for a cause no one cares for but them.

I almost laughed at the whole concept around the CLI. LOL (I know I was not the only one as some other people were laughing at times throughout the movie). The part where the CIA operatives announces himself as canadian is a good example... (curses!)

It touches me because I used to live in a remote area, as an alien in a culture of people being subverted to an oppressive power; I represented that power and it left me with very mixed feelings about what we do, what we are really. Especially what I do and what I am...

The irony is that "L'homme est un loup pour l'homme" (Man is a wolf towards Man); we are full of odeals but in the end, what wins is a singular idea. The concentration of power in one individual, as a goal for competition.

In a way, the creation of this websites stems from similar principles; the belief we ought to live by our own rules.

Damn! I am out of beer now...

Btw, Robert Frisk just published a brick about the MIddle East (simultaneously in English and in French) The Great War for Civilisation : The Conquest of the Middle East. You can tell from various critics from the Web that some of his comments are discredited (especially regarding Israel) but heck, no one has denied the interest in reading what he has to say...

Anyway, it's not a movie from which anyone leaves without being scathed; both the Right, the Left, and Muslims are taking a hit. In the end, Irony is the only winner imho.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

If you don't want this to be political . . . wait for it . . . don't make it political yourself.

You could have fully discussed the movie as a work of cinematic art without ever mentioning Zimphy or "those on the Far Right".

So, it looks like you already ruined the chance to have any non-political discussion about this movie.

Why don't you get the mods to close this thread and start over without all your political comments in the original post.

You sabotaged your own thread before it even had a chance.

BTW, threads you think will have political content in them STILL go into the PL.

Those rules haven't changed this week as far as I know.

There is a reason people don't want political threads in this part of the forum besson.

Why don't you cater to the forums wishes? Why do you keep having to be a "hard ass" about it?

[besson3c]

Kevin, you are absolutely exhausting and relentless. It seems like you are constantly constipated. I'm going to call you Constipation Boy for now on.

I mentioned your name in my first post as an attempt to preempt you. Foolish me, I guess I was just feeding you.

Blah blah blah. You are like one of those little windup dolls with somebody waiting to wind you back up behind the scenes every time you run out of energy.

What does it take to get you to stop waging holy jihad against every little thing? I suggest meditation, it's good practice in learning how to let things go.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by besson3c

Kevin, you are absolutely exhausting and relentless.

Uh, who is the person that keeps posting political threads in places he has been told not to?

It seems like you are constantly constipated. I'm going to call you Constipation Boy for now on.

You can call me anything you wish.

I mentioned your name in my first post as an attempt to preempt you. Foolish me, I guess I was just feeding you.

Oh please, you were just being your normal "give me attention" self. Or you wouldn't post these things besson. You've been told NOT TO. Yet you still do it. Why?

Blah blah blah. You are like one of those little windup dolls with somebody waiting to wind you back up behind the scenes every time you run out of energy.

You have some silly images that you project in that head of yours. That is for sure.

What does it take to get you to stop waging holy jihad against every little thing?

I told you a MILLION times to stop exaggerating. And it's not just me complaining besson. And it's just not my wishes. Just me complaining does nothing.

I suggest meditation, it's good practice in learning how to let things go.

Again, this coming from someone that can't seem to NOT post political threads in the lounge, even after he has been told NOT TO.

You know better, but do it anyhow.

Why?

I'd go meditate on that if I was you.

[Kevin]

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[Cubeoid]

Hey Kevin, I got this cool squeeky mouse toy.. I'm just going to throw it on the ground so that you can attack it.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

Hey Kevin, I got this cool squeeky mouse toy.. I'm just going to throw it on the ground so that you can attack it.

Cheryl would not approve of such a silly post.

[besson3c]

Hey CB, look! I'm dangling my keys... look at how shiny they are! Go, attack those keys. Show them who's boss! They deserve it, for being keys. You be a hero and take care of them. I'm sick of those keys anyway.

[greenamp]

Besson, if you didn't want Kevin responding to your thread you shouldn't have baited him with your snide comment.

Seriously, the way you indirectly insult a person and then act like such a bleeding martyr when they respond was old yesterday.

[Cubeoid]

Please stop attacking besson3c. He's my friend, and he did no wrong. Let him be you vultures.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

Please stop attacking besson3c. He's my friend, and he did no wrong. Leave him along you vultures.

You're an outstanding gentleman Cube.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by greenamp

Besson, if you didn't want Kevin responding to your thread you shouldn't have baited him with your snide comment.

Seriously, the way you indirectly insult a person and then act like such a bleeding martyr when they respond was old yesterday.

Well, I posted another thread a little while somewhat similar to this, and he was the first to respond with "shouldn't this be in the other lounge"? It was a snide comment, but this other thread was fresh on my mind. I wanted to talk about Syriana while it was also fresh on my mind.

However, yes, I should have left out the Kevin comment and should have hoped for the best. I suspect the outcome would have been the same though.

Back to the movie... anybody want to comment, perhaps to what Pendergast wrote?

[ShortcutToMoncton]

It's a thread about a movie. The movie is political. It's still a movie. I don't care enough to comtemplate more than that.

I still have to see it. Was supposed to last night, but took longer than expected doing some notes for a final. Hopefully, soon! I've heard mixed reviews thus far....

greg

[Cubeoid]

I think she would.

[angelmb]

Let me ask, could an apolitical dude enjoy this movie ?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by angelmb

Let me ask, could an apolitical dude enjoy this movie ?

I think so... the movie is basically a fast paced conspiracy theory movie with a lot of intrigue and deception. There are also a few tie-ins to modern politics in America, but those are left to interpretation. You shouldn't need to follow the news to enjoy the movie.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

Hey Kevin, I got this cool squeeky mouse toy.. I'm just going to throw it on the ground so that you can attack it.

O Miaw God!

If he does not, can I? CanI?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

I think she would.

who would what?

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by besson3c

who would what?

That is, take a shape, and likely to be cubic.



I doubt he'll ever achive the next level:



I wish she'd grow up...

[wdlove]

This is the first that I have heard of this movie. So have no opinion one way or the other.

[iLikebeer]

I would rather read one of Mojo's oil rants than watch Syriana again. Good idea, bad execution. I felt like I was the one having my finger nails ripped out. Rental at best. Better yet, skip it and go to the park.

Originally Posted by Pendergast

That is, take a shape, and likely to be cubic.

*snippity

I doubt he'll ever achive the next level:

*snap*

I wish she'd grow up...

He's probably more concerned with equalizing his spheroid/cubeoid configuration.
"all planets and suns contain sets of rotating tetrahedrons(to be affirmed later in our quest for truth Star-Tets or not), nested within the spheroid/cubeoid configuration of infinite expansion/infinite zero-point contraction which produce energy wellings as seen on many planetary surfaces at 19.44 conventional degrees latitude north and south of the equator"

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by iLikebeer

I would rather read one of Mojo's oil rants than watch Syriana again. Good idea, bad execution. I felt like I was the one having my finger nails ripped out. Rental at best. Better yet, skip it and go to the park.

I thought this movie worth a couple of Oscars. It was so good even my nails dropped on their own on the movie theater floor! I kid you not!

Anyway, you must be one of those insane corrupted right-wing neocons. You better have good taste in beer if you want me to love you.

SHe's probably more concerned with equalizing his spheroid/cubeoid configuration.
"all planets and suns contain sets of rotating tetrahedrons(to be affirmed later in our quest for truth Star-Tets or not), nested within the spheroid/cubeoid configuration of infinite expansion/infinite zero-point contraction which produce energy wellings as seen on many planetary surfaces at 19.44 conventional degrees latitude north and south of the equator"

That is poetry. I think I like ILikeBeer.

Do you have any idea where the proton's spin come from?

Respectfully, P.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by besson3c

What I thought particularly interesting was how the Iranian terrorist children were depicted. The movie was designed so that viewers grow an attachment and interest in these characters. Instead of being depicted as pure EVAL terrorist psychos that want to take over the world and cackle about their devious plans while clenching their fists, we were given an insight into how the stress and duress of their everyday lives lead to them being "converted" to spread their religious ideology. It showed that how pressure and one's environment can lead to these sorts of decisions, and how these decisions are often made out of a sense of helplessness. What else could these children have done with their lives?

Oh please, that's Greg Maguire hack-work. It would be much more interesting if the oil people were portrayed in a sympathetic light.

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

I thought this movie worth a couple of Oscars. It was so good even my nails dropped on their own on the movie theater floor! I kid you not!

Anyway, you must be one of those insane corrupted right-wing neocons. You better have good taste in beer if you want me to love you.

Too cheesy. There were some very good scenes, but some that were nonsense. The light in the swimming pool would have shorted out and wouldn't have electricuted the child. Even if it didn't, I doubt it would have seriously hurt the kid and why didn't Matt Damon get electricuted too? And why would the older Saudi brother all of a sudden make him his financial advisor? He couldn't find any others until the kid died? Just 1 of many ridiculous plot developments.

I love Guinness and all stouts! I especially like my local microbrewery or any good microbrewery for that matter. I'm more of an insane corrupted politically non-affiliate.

That is poetry. I think I like ILikeBeer.

Do you have any idea where the proton's spin come from?

Respectfully, P.

Does it depend on the spin of the quarks?

SHe's

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by iLikebeer

Too cheesy. There were some very good scenes, but some that were nonsense. The light in the swimming pool would have shorted out and wouldn't have electricuted the child. Even if it didn't, I doubt it would have seriously hurt the kid and why didn't Matt Damon get electricuted too? And why would the older Saudi brother all of a sudden make him his financial advisor? He couldn't find any others until the kid died? Just 1 of many ridiculous plot developments.

But, that is life-like!!! Movies, life, all are absurd! That's why it was such a master piece! I mean, Clooney had to put in 50 friggin' pounds for the love of Gawd! How absurd-life-like could that be???

I love Guinness and all stouts! I especially like my local microbrewery or any good microbrewery for that matter. I'm more of an insane corrupted politically non-affiliate.

Let's get married.

Does it depend on the spin of the quarks?

Not so sure. It appears that the spin is a combined effect of gluons and quark interacting together, or "orbital spin".
Anyway, here is a quick review. As you can tell, the green and the blue stuff goes straight up (to heaven) and the red and pink stuff goes "down (hell). You don't need me to explain what it means...

Awesome isn't it?

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

But, that is life-like!!! Movies, life, all are absurd! That's why it was such a master piece! I mean, Clooney had to put in 50 friggin' pounds for the love of Gawd! How absurd-life-like could that be???

On the contrary, did you see that car bomb at the beginning? Very unlife-like! I could have done a better explosion than that! If there had been any car chase scenes, you would have seen the ramp welded on the frame to spin it. I wish I had gone to the park instead, although the buttery popcorn was tasty. I did enjoy that part of the movie

Just because you agree with the message, doesn't mean the messenger is good.

Let's get married.

Easy! I haven't even seen your myspace page yet!

Not so sure. It appears that the spin is a combined effect of gluons and quark interacting together, or "orbital spin".
Anyway, here is a quick review. As you can tell, the green and the blue stuff goes straight up (to heaven) and the red and pink stuff goes "down (hell). You don't need me to explain what it means...

Aha, I was thinking of the naive model. Been a while since I had any higher level physics classes.

Awesome isn't it?

Aweall!

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by iLikebeer

On the contrary, did you see that car bomb at the beginning? Very unlife-like! I could have done a better explosion than that! If there had been any car chase scenes, you would have seen the ramp welded on the frame to spin it. I wish I had gone to the park instead, although the buttery popcorn was tasty. I did enjoy that part of the movie

buttery or... oily? C'mon, tell the Truth! You are one of them Corporate RightWing Neo-Cons are ya?

Just because you agree with the message, doesn't mean the messenger is good.

Easy! I haven't even seen your myspace page yet!

Well, I am single, so I never saw the utility of it.

Aha, I was thinking of the naive model. Been a while since I had any higher level physics classes.

Well I am no expert, as you can tell!

Aweall!

AweOil!

I still think the movie is a Master piec of the genre. The plot is thick with intrigue, the audience is left to dig into down-to-Earth stuff made of human matter. I recommend it to anyone who likes Georges Clooney or Matt Damon.

It's like their dramchild or something.

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

buttery or... oily? C'mon, tell the Truth! You are one of them Corporate RightWing Neo-Cons are ya?

I hadn't eaten all day, so it was pretty good, but it was kind of oily. To be honest, the Dr. Pepper was better and I even got so bored at one point I remember thinking how glad I was that I keep my wallet in my side pocket or the seat would have been even more uncomfortable. I only own a little bit of Wal~Mart stock, if that answers your question.

Well, I am single, so I never saw the utility of it.

fair enough, i mostly use it to keep in touch with friends, but i've met a few cool girls there with similar interests. It used to be just me and 2 friends that went to hockey games down in Phx, now we've got 3 cute girl hockey fans that go with us sometimes!

Well I am no expert, as you can tell!

Who needs to be an expert with friends like Google?

AweOil!

Oo oi!

I still think the movie is a Master piec of the genre. The plot is thick with intrigue, the audience is left to dig into down-to-Earth stuff made of human matter. I recommend it to anyone who likes Georges Clooney or Matt Damon.

It's like their dramchild or something.

It's the only piece in the genre so far. IMHO, they could do much better, but probably won't. The director couldn't ever decide what he wanted the movie to be. He wanted it to be too many things and failed at all of them.

[Spliffdaddy]

I spent a good part of my workday downloading and watching this movie.

As it turns out, I wasted a good part of my workday.

Please, folks. Don't hype movies that actually suck.

I have better things to do with my time.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Wow, there are sparks everywhere in here.

*ducks*

[Spliffdaddy]

I mean, damn. It was almost more of a fantasy than a Harry Potter movie.

Reminded me of a PBS special.

Are there any 'believeable' movies anymore?

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

I mean, damn. It was almost more of a fantasy than a Harry Potter movie.

Reminded me of a PBS special.

Are there any 'believeable' movies anymore?

Check out DOOM!
Seriously though, Walk the Line and Syriana were the only movies I had any interest in seeing. I should have seen Aeon Flux instead of Syriana, at least I could have seen leather covered Charlize.
Hollywood is sucking hard this year.

[Spliffdaddy]

If any part of a movie - however insignificant - strikes me as being phony, then the entire movie immediately turns to crap.

Every now and then a movie captures my attention and keeps it....never revealing even a hint of phony-ness. I live for movies like that. Heck, I can even tolerate movies that are pure fantasy. Too many movies try to do both. You hafta pick one or the other, Hollywood.

[voodoo]

Finally, I have taken the time to see this movie. It was something I wanted to do for quite some time. This is a movie that appeared to be for the thinking man (and I do consider myself to be cerebrally inclined.. I need to work on my feelings)

So yeah. I could sum this movie up in one sentance: "A turkey that never achieved flight, despite the high-profile cast and the important message it was trying to give".

That about sums up Syriana. It was a confusing movie, because the way the story was told came out as jumbled and incoherent. In the end it was possible to achieve enough perspective to put all the scattered scenes together to get a coherent picture of the plot, only to realize that the plot wasn't all that complex.

It seemed that the only reason for the confusing presentation of the plot was to hide the fact that it wasn't very complicated.. or even very good.

The movie is based on a book by an ex-CIA operative and I have no problems beliveing the general message of the story -- something like this probably happened, only in many countries and not all at the same time. For a movie such events are consolidated for dramatic effect. Poetic licence if you will.

There were two technical points that irritated me immensely. One was the kid who died in the swimming pool because there was a live and open electrical circuit in the pool. No. To begin with, the current is less than 10A and the pool is huge. *If* for some reason the current could stay steady without frying the safeties, then the water wouldn't manage to conduct it. Heck, put a 20A current in that swimming pool and I'll jump right in! Nothing is going to happen. Also silly how the lights dimmed when the kid jumped in, as if

1. The kid was somehow conducting the current from the poles, short circuiting it (we all know that the average 6 year old is about 0 Ohm)

2. That the lights around the pool were all connected to the broken light in the pool and yet they stayed on, despite the incredible conducting abilities of that pool water! A-mazing.

There are things like that which irritate me so much that I almost lose interest in the entire movie. They are un-necessarily stupid. That kid could have hit his head and drowned or *anything*. Pools can be dangerous places. Also no-one is going to die just from that low stream in that huge a pool - even if all the stream were passing through the pool

The other technical thing that irritates me very much is the way the CIA dispatched of the liberal prince (and Clooney) in the end. They just had some satillite targeting system, pressed a button and bingo. Ten seconds later a missile hits. Hey, now that's so damn convenient that one has to ask WHY THE HECK DIDN'T THE CIA JUST DO THAT EONS AGO??!! Either it is a possibility to use, i.e. won't be detected by rival superpowers like China, Russia or even the EU or it is not. Then, since they used it in the end of the movie - apparently it can be used without detections.

I feel like the writer of the screenplay takes the audience to be quite the fools. That bothers me as well. I don't like to be insulted for more than 120 minutes at a time.

As for the plot, sure. It was simple, Matt Damon played a completely un-necessary character, no-one ever showed more than one expression or any emotion... That tart who played the fake-blonde CIA handler didn't have more than five lines, but she was so bad that she made me cringe.

There was no character development and the kids who became terrorists.. well.. that was a reach.

Basically, what I am saying is that this movie could have gone far, had it been properly written, directed, produced, editied, acted in, casted... worst of all it was boring and that ripping of the fingernails was just disgusting. What was the point of that? There were many subtle points in this movie and I appreciate subtlety, however the subtlety was lost many times because the main plot was so confusing yet simple that it became hard noticing these details.

There were no characters to feel attatched to, no one to sympathize with really. The subject is delicate and all, but this is a movie - thus a story. A story without a protagonist is very complicated. This was supposed to be one big story that was made up of smaller seemingly unrelated parts. After all, it became just two stories. The oil-company merger on one side and the story of the troubles of the emir's oldest son. The other characters didn't really have their own stories, they just jumped between the two or stayed firmly with one.

Don't see this one.. it isn't worth your time. Perhaps if they had put a little bit more love in it and used the handheld camera a lot less.

V

[hyteckit]

Funny, I just finished watching Syriana too. I like it.

Pool electrocution:

"experts say. From 1990 through 2003, a total of 60 people died due to electrocutions in swimming pools, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...43/ai_n6255813

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by hyteckit

Funny, I just finished watching Syriana too. I like it.

Pool electrocution:

"experts say. From 1990 through 2003, a total of 60 people died due to electrocutions in swimming pools, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...43/ai_n6255813

"While swimming in the deep end, Natalie touched the newly replaced underwater light and suddenly went limp. "

That is not what happened in the movie. Not even close.

V

[brassplayersrock²]

uhhhh voodoo, the article linked by hyteckit isn't about the movie

Alex

[stevesnj]

it was okay...good acting but seemed like it was going in too many directions too quick. but i give it a solid B

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock

uhhhh voodoo, the article linked by hyteckit isn't about the movie

Alex

Well hello smartypants! One of my peeves about *the movie* is that a kid was electrecuted by jumping in a pool..

That is not possible..

hyteckit responded with an article about people touching open electrical wires in pools and dying. Not the same thing. Which was my point.

V

[brassplayersrock²]

sooo the broken pool light that is powered by electricity can not send out electricity through water, which if i remember my high school science class correctly, is a conductor of electricity? so a kid that jumps into a pool that has, of all things, water in it which happens to have a broken electrically powered light sending electricity through the water, can NOT be electrocuted?

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

If any part of a movie - however insignificant - strikes me as being phony, then the entire movie immediately turns to crap.

Every now and then a movie captures my attention and keeps it....never revealing even a hint of phony-ness.

I'm the same way, although I probably am more tolerant of slight lapses than you seem to be. That's why I have trouble with most Sci-Fi movies. I have to buy the premise and every decision and interpretation has to seem reasonable and be explained or at least explainable.

I love war flicks but HATED "Wind Talkers" phoniness. "Behind Enemy Lines," yuck.

In the recent original AMC film with Robert Duval set in the early 20th Century wild west, one of the characters used an expression from today and that ruined the film for me. It was watchable but it's like a drop of blood on a white shirt. It would be perfect except for...

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by voodoo

Well hello smartypants! One of my peeves about *the movie* is that a kid was electrecuted by jumping in a pool..

That is not possible..

hyteckit responded with an article about people touching open electrical wires in pools and dying. Not the same thing. Which was my point.

V

Read the article voodoo.

" In August 1997, Yasmin Paleso'o was splashing in the pool of her apartment complex in Daly City, Calif., when electricity began surging through the 13-year-old's body. Five other girls playing in the pool started screaming as the electrical shocks began to sting them.

The other girls were pulled out in time, but Yasmin did not survive. Further investigations uncovered faulty wiring and no updated circuit breakers--two easily remedied problems that could have saved her life."

[Ghoser777]

How did they get the girls out of the water without getting electrocuted themselves?

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock

sooo the broken pool light that is powered by electricity can not send out electricity through water, which if i remember my high school science class correctly, is a conductor of electricity? so a kid that jumps into a pool that has, of all things, water in it which happens to have a broken electrically powered light sending electricity through the water, can NOT be electrocuted?

Wait...

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock

sooo the broken pool light that is powered by electricity can not send out electricity through water, which if i remember my high school science class correctly, is a conductor of electricity? so a kid that jumps into a pool that has, of all things, water in it which happens to have a broken electrically powered light, can NOT be electrocuted?

Fixed.

V

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by hyteckit

Read the article voodoo.

" In August 1997, Yasmin Paleso'o was splashing in the pool of her apartment complex in Daly City, Calif., when electricity began surging through the 13-year-old's body. Five other girls playing in the pool started screaming as the electrical shocks began to sting them.

The other girls were pulled out in time, but Yasmin did not survive. Further investigations uncovered faulty wiring and no updated circuit breakers--two easily remedied problems that could have saved her life."

Electricity isn't an 'all or nothing' affair. Nor is the human body a very good conductor. Chlorinated water is a mildly effective conductor, but compared to copper wires, no.

The nature of the electricity is to run between two places with the least resistance. That does not mean all electricity runs between those points.

Talk of voltage in the article is something dangerous, is strange. I could survive a 1000000 V shock as long as the current was low enough. I could die from a very low V with high enough current.

The thing is that the current in normal electrical wiring is dangerous, but it is not powerful enough to go travelling thout swimming pools with full force. If that would happen anyway the power grid would burn our in seconds.

People don't get electrecuted in swimming pools. Simply because it is physically impossible. The human body is a lousy conductor anyway. A bit better than pure water (which is utter crap) and a lot worse than chlorinated water.

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[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by voodoo

Electricity isn't an 'all or nothing' affair. Nor is the human body a very good conductor. Chlorinated water is a mildly effective conductor, but compared to copper wires, no.

The nature of the electricity is to run between two places with the least resistance. That does not mean all electricity runs between those points.

Talk of voltage in the article is something dangerous, is strange. I could survive a 1000000 V shock as long as the current was low enough. I could die from a very low V with high enough current.

The thing is that the current in normal electrical wiring is dangerous, but it is not powerful enough to go travelling thout swimming pools with full force. If that would happen anyway the power grid would burn our in seconds.

People don't get electrecuted in swimming pools. Simply because it is physically impossible. The human body is a lousy conductor anyway. A bit better than pure water (which is utter crap) and a lot worse than chlorinated water.

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So real life incidents of people getting electricuted in swimming pools is not a good enough proof?

Okay.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by hyteckit

So real life incidents of people getting electricuted in swimming pools is not a good enough proof?

Okay.

I read it on the intarweb so it must be true!

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