[Athens]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

My body is filled with rage that a person can do this. I don't think I need to quote the Article or add a comment to it, my feelings towards it is pretty clear from these 2 lines!

[wdlove]

Such a heinous crime. Definitely a different set of religious beliefs than I have. His thinking is scary.

[Paco500]

While a whole lot of reprehensible acts are done in the name of religion, I don't think this had anything to do with Islam.

This was just a bad, bad person.

[Tesseract]

"I wish that I get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on fire."

That man is clearly a disturbed maniac.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Paco500

While a whole lot of reprehensible acts are done in the name of religion, I don't think this had anything to do with Islam.

This was just a bad, bad person.

[ndptal85]

It pretty much has a lot to do with Islam. I don't hear of Christians or Jews conducting honor killings.

[skalie]

Originally Posted by Paco500

While a whole lot of reprehensible acts are done in the name of religion, I don't think this had anything to do with Islam.

This was just a bad, bad person.

a bad bad bunch

Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.

[torsoboy]

Originally Posted by ndptal85

It pretty much has a lot to do with Islam. I don't hear of Christians or Jews conducting honor killings.

Agreed.

Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators

[skalie]

Hey, that's my quote.

[torsoboy]

Oh, sorry about that.

[cjrivera]

From the article...

"The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging."

Are the same countries who were so outspoken about the Tookie death penalty also as vocal when someone in Pakistan is hanged for this type of crime?

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by ndptal85

It pretty much has a lot to do with Islam. I don't hear of Christians or Jews conducting honor killings.

Lets make this clear. This is not apart of the Muslim religion and if you don't know what you are talking about the please prevent yourself from speaking about it, alright.

Just like in the U.S. where Christianity is used to justify a groups particular belief's and theories so the same is done in this case. It's wrong and unsupported by the Islamic faith. But when society grabs hold of something it twists and perverse it into something unrecognizable.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by wdlove

Such a heinous crime. Definitely a different set of religious beliefs than I have. His thinking is scary.

A nut like this would have done the same even without religion, he would have just had another excuse.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

A nut like this would have done the same even without religion, he would have just had another excuse.

Excellent! You are very right.

And...

The next time I hear you complain about a "christian" using religion to attack you about your sexuality I am going to quote your post back to you.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Excellent! You are very right.

And...

The next time I hear you complain about a "christian" using religion to attack you about your sexuality I am going to quote your post back to you.

So your saying every christian that doesn't like gays is psychotic?

[skalie]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

A nut like this would have done the same even without religion, he would have just had another excuse.

May I use my quote again?

These guys, apart from playing a somewhat excellent game of cricket, throw sulphuric acid into the faces of their women, (if they think their woman has been flirting), rendering them to some eyes rather ugly, and, well, rendering their women sometimes blind.

Religion has had no part in creating that sort of culture? I beg to differ.

*spits*

[Paco500]

Originally Posted by ndptal85

It pretty much has a lot to do with Islam. I don't hear of Christians or Jews conducting honor killings.

As I understand it, this tradtion is more a tribal custom than an Islamic one

There is no mention of Honor killing in the Quran or Hadiths. Honor killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against the woman, and is forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Religious authorities disagree with extra punishments such as honor killing and prohibit it, so the practice of it is a cultural issue. But since Islam has influence over vast Muslims, culturalist and murderers of females use Islam to justify honor killing even though there is no support for honor killing in Islam.

More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killings

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...orkilling.html

While honor kills are more prevalent in Muslim countries, it is in no way limited to them. It is more a function of male dominated societies than religious beliefs.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by skalie

May I use my quote again?

These guys, apart from playing a somewhat excellent game of cricket, throw sulphuric acid into the faces of their women, (if they think their woman has been flirting), rendering them to some eyes rather ugly, and, well, rendering their women sometimes blind.

Religion has had no part in creating that sort of culture? I beg to differ.

*spits*

With the above story it is more with culture. Honour killings in the past were legal or ignored.

[skalie]

Originally Posted by Paco500

While honor kills are more prevalent in Muslim countries, it is in no way limited to them. It is more a function of male dominated societies than religious beliefs.

Male dominated Muslim societies? Burka anyone?

[wdlove]

The Muslim Clerics need to step up a publicly renounce all this violence in the name of religion.

[skalie]

I can't understand how someone can show no remorse after slitting the throat of his four year old daughter, it is beyond me, really.

Because she might follow in her sisters footsteps?

NOT human (humane?).

I'm not advocate of the death penalty, but I hope he gets hung, and I hope it hurts.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by wdlove

The Muslim Clerics need to step up a publicly renounce all this violence in the name of religion.

Of course they do, all the time. The problem is is that it isn't news worthy. When ever it's found that there are these extremist types in the Mosque, they're expelled and forbidden to return until they change their ways and observe the true laws of Islam.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Ratm

Just like in the U.S. where Christianity is used to justify a groups particular belief's and theories so the same is done in this case. It's wrong and unsupported by the Islamic faith. But when society grabs hold of something it twists and perverse it into something unrecognizable.

There is nothing like this in the US dealing with Christianity. Nothing. This thread has nothing to do with Christianity either for that matter.

Originally Posted by Railroader

The next time I hear you complain about a "christian" using religion to attack you about your sexuality I am going to quote your post back to you.

BUT BUT BUT!!1

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

So your saying every christian that doesn't like gays is psychotic?

Ha ha!!!

You have a twisted sense of reality don't you? Or is it your parents letting you down in a way that you don't have even rudimentary reading comprehension. I suspect the latter, so...

Let me lay it out nice and simple for someone of your education level to understand: If someone attacks you for your sexuality and they claim to be doing it for "christian" reasons, then, and I quote you, "A nut like this would have done the same even without religion, he would have just had another excuse."

In other words, they are just using "christianity" to attack you. He "would have done the same even with out" Christianity, "he would have just had another excuse".

Do you understand that? Is that simple enough for you? I'm sure you'll twist my meaning again, but hey, I tried explaining it in a way that even you could understand.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Ratm

Lets make this clear. This is not apart of the Muslim religion and if you don't know what you are talking about the please prevent yourself from speaking about it, alright.

Just like in the U.S. where Christianity is used to justify a groups particular belief's and theories so the same is done in this case. It's wrong and unsupported by the Islamic faith. But when society grabs hold of something it twists and perverse it into something unrecognizable.

Huh?!? No.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by Kevin

There is nothing like this in the US dealing with Christianity. Nothing. This thread has nothing to do with Christianity either for that

Can you read? Did I say that there was anything remotely similar to this example of horror in the U.S.? What I was saying was that just like the people in these countries, there are similar groups in the U.S. that use religion for their own selfish purposes. I place all these people in the same group. Wrong is wrong. There is no in between.

You're either a good person or a bad one; honest or deceitful; truthful or republican ; sinner or saint. I know you'll have a big problem with this but that where you and I differ.

[Y3a]

Ignorance and "Cultural immaturity" This is why they are not a world power, and are generally a laughing stock. As long as stupid beliefs aren't challenged you will continue to have 'cultures' like this.

I'm sure that somewhere in the guys teeny warped brain is some twisted Islamic reason for it. He has dishonored himself and his country and he's too stupid to understand.
"Female circumcision" is another trait of these sub-animals.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by Y3a

Ignorance and "Cultural immaturity" This is why they are not a world power, and are generally a laughing stock. As long as stupid beliefs aren't challenged you will continue to have 'cultures' like this.

I know you mean well but his society and culture is older than yours. They've evolved to a point that's fitting for them and for you to suggest otherwise is naive and arrogant. Like you have the solutions to the worlds problems. The western Anglo societies have done more harm, destruction to the world than any of these nomadic tribes will ever do. So you'll excuse me when I tell you to f**k off!

The modernization of their societies are the reasons causing such extreme (re)actions. They're attempts to hold onto their traditions and culture with extreme actions. Fear tactics.
This isn't new—I'm sure the U.S. can attest to this—nothing can derail progress. The third wave is crashing into the pervious one. And when this happens there are always victims, that's life.

And with all do respect, take your notion of world power nonsense theories to the trash where they belong. They are old and archaic and need to be replaced.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by wdlove

The Muslim Clerics need to step up a publicly renounce all this violence in the name of religion.

Originally Posted by Ratm

Of course they do, all the time. The problem is is that it isn't news worthy. When ever it's found that there are these extremist types in the Mosque, they're expelled and forbidden to return until they change their ways and observe the true laws of Islam.

But this isn't enough and it isn't working. They need to banish the offender PERMANENTLY-point out that they ain't getting into heaven too-and the clerics themselves need to push the Pakistani government to unlink Islam and the current laws, which seem to be completely extremist, rather than the more relaxed form of Islam that most Pakistanis practice.

The clerics need this disconnection from government, because letting government mess with religion this thoroughly is bad for both the government and the religious.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Ratm

Can you read? Did I say that there was anything remotely similar to this example of horror in the U.S.? What I was saying was that just like the people in these countries, there are similar groups in the U.S. that use religion for their own selfish purposes. I place all these people in the same group. Wrong is wrong. There is no in between.

No, I am saying such things aren't even COMPARABLE to make such a comparison.

Give us examples please.

[Face Ache]

Question: Is firebombing abortion clinics terrorism?

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[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Ratm

I know you mean well but his society and culture is older than yours. They've evolved to a point that's fitting for them and for you to suggest otherwise is naive and arrogant. Like you have the solutions to the worlds problems. The western Anglo societies have done more harm, destruction to the world than any of these nomadic tribes will ever do. So you'll excuse me when I tell you to f**k off!

The modernization of their societies are the reasons causing such extreme (re)actions. They're attempts to hold onto their traditions and culture with extreme actions. Fear tactics.
This isn't new—I'm sure the U.S. can attest to this—nothing can derail progress. The third wave is crashing into the pervious one. And when this happens there are always victims, that's life.

And with all do respect, take your notion of world power nonsense theories to the trash where they belong. They are old and archaic and need to be replaced.

How do you presume things about him personally such as his culture, whatever it may be? How do you know his culture is comparatively younger or older? The culture of the middle east was unarguably transformed by Islam, which just happens to be the youngest Abrahamic faith. Besides, whatever the age of a given culture may be, your argument is a weak defense for barbarism. Are beheadings of foreigners in Iraq acceptable to you because it's apparently part of Zarqawi's culture? I can state with relative confidence if there were a Christian community practicing honor killings, you would be among the last to condone or rationalize it in the way you have in this case. Finally, while the Christian world has a lot of things to be guilty for in its past, the United States of America has been a tremendous blessing to the entire world, a point which is utterly indisputable.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by Big Mac

How do you presume things about him personally such as his culture, whatever it may be? How do you know his culture is comparatively younger or older? The culture of the middle east was unarguably transformed by Islam, which just happens to be the youngest Abrahamic faith.

Besides, whatever the age of a given culture may be, your argument is a weak defense for barbarism. Are beheadings of foreigners in Iraq acceptable to you because it's apparently part of Zarqawi's culture? I can state with relative confidence if there were a Christian community practicing honor killings, you would be among the last to condone or rationalize it in the way you have in this case.

Finally, while the Christian world has a lot of things to be guilty for in its past, the United States of America has been a tremendous blessing to the entire world, a point which is utterly indisputable.

First off break for paragraphs, please. Makes it easer to read. I don't really want to argue with a person who has a big mac in one hand and an Xbox controller in the other.

Second don't put words in my mouth. Do you understand me.


I'll give you two. The embargo with Iraq killed more children than any one individual could ever do in his lifetime. How? The embargo prevent vital medicines and supplies to reach people that were in life or death situations. This information was well known to the U.S. government and humanitarian organizations who tried endlessly to change the policy. The U.S. government never flinched. From the links I included an estimated 2 million people died as a result of the U.S. embargo with Iraq. President Clinton ranks up there with the likes of Hitler.

And any attempts they made to help these people paled in comparison to how many were dying every single day from the embargo. All those people died for some f**king dictator which it never affected.

The other would be the use of DU in combat. Which killed more people than their intended target.

In addition, the depleted uranium (DU) shells used in both the 1991 and 2003 wars have caused a significant increase in radiation-related cancers and birth defects. Iraq still does not have the necessary tools (primarily due to the embargo) to clean up the DU contamination.

It affects these people even before they are born! Do you understand that!?! You psychopathic patriotic nut!

http://www.ilaam.net/War/IraqEmbargo.html
http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/stand/du.html

And you wonder why there are people out there that are crashing planes into your buildings. And wanting to destroy the U.S. I'm surprised you don't have more people at your front door.

Do I agree with these people... Hell no! But you get what you deserve. And that's true for anyone.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Face Ache

Question: Is firebombing abortion clinics terrorism?

Dis of the year.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Ha ha!!!

You have a twisted sense of reality don't you? Or is it your parents letting you down in a way that you don't have even rudimentary reading comprehension. I suspect the latter, so...

Let me lay it out nice and simple for someone of your education level to understand: If someone attacks you for your sexuality and they claim to be doing it for "christian" reasons, then, and I quote you, "A nut like this would have done the same even without religion, he would have just had another excuse."

In other words, they are just using "christianity" to attack you. He "would have done the same even with out" Christianity, "he would have just had another excuse".

Do you understand that? Is that simple enough for you? I'm sure you'll twist my meaning again, but hey, I tried explaining it in a way that even you could understand.

I read the first sentence of this and you come off as so unintelligent and redneck I'm never going to bother with you again.

You're now on my ignore list. Feel free to provoke me all your want, I'll never see it again.
Ta ta!

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I read the first sentence of this and you come off as so unintelligent and redneck I'm never going to bother with you again.

As I suspected, your parents let you down and you were given a substandard education. Well, we all play with the cards we are given. Looks like you've got a high card 7 hand.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

You're now on my ignore list. Feel free to provoke me all your want, I'll never see it again.
Ta ta!

WEEE!!! The infamous SWF ignore list!

You've claimed to put me and Kevin on your ignore list so many times and then respond to our posts it's not funny anymore. It's hilarious!

We'll see how long this one lasts.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Face Ache

Question: Is firebombing abortion clinics terrorism?

I quote SWF:

Originally Posted by SWF

A nut like this would have done the same even without religion, he would have just had another excuse.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Dis of the year.

Uhhhh......

Originally Posted by SWF

A nut like this would have done the same even without religion, he would have just had another excuse.

See, I got to use your quote twice already!

[Athens]

Christians and Anti Christians don't realize this but you both act the same in the eyes of some one who couldn't care less either way!

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Athens

Christians and Anti Christians don't realize this but you both act the same in the eyes of some one who couldn't care less either way!

Oh, it's perfectly obvious to me.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Oh, it's perfectly obvious to me.

How many quoted replies do you have there? Dude, you got problems.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Ratm

How many quoted replies do you have there? Dude, you got problems.

I can quit any time. I swear I can.

Once I went like a whole month.

Dude, I can do it.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Railroader

I can quit any time. I swear I can.

Once I went like a whole month.

Dude, I can do it.

hehe wasen't that with me

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Face Ache

Question: Is firebombing abortion clinics terrorism?

In the past 30 years. How many times has that happened?

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Dis of the year.

It's happened what twice in the past 30 years SWF? OH YEAH! Big diss.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Railroader

I quote SWF:

Now THAT was a burn.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Athens

Christians and Anti Christians don't realize this but you both act the same in the eyes of some one who couldn't care less either way!

Not really. Go look how many anti-religious threads there are in here. Look who started the, threads.

Now, go do a search for anti-atheist or non-believer threads.

So no, not really acting the same. A certain group in here are obviously insecure about their beliefs

(No, I am not talking about atheist or non-believers in general, as you obviously are secure in your beliefs.)

For example, it's not suprising that a thread NOT about Christians has turned yet again into a Christian bashing thread.

This wasn't because anything any Christian has done.

Truthfully you would rarely hear anything from the Christians in this board about Christianity if those who didn't believe would just stop yammering on about it insistently for no reason.

Obviously it's a cry for help.

[qnxde]

How much is it in their culture however? The lateral thinking part of me wants to think that it sounds abhorrent to us but maybe it's normal over there. Like female circumcision in some african tribes. The account of the incident that the wife gives seems identical to the reaction you'd expect from an american or any other westernized culture, leading me to think it's pretty out of place even there.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Ratm

First off break for paragraphs, please. Makes it easer to read. I don't really want to argue with a person who has a big mac in one hand and an Xbox controller in the other.

Oh how callous and inconsiderate of me - I didn't realize you wouldn't be able to handle a seven sentence paragraph. Btw, I don't quite understand the meaning of your second sentence, for even if I owned an Xbox I don't see any connection between what is in my hands and how I choose to format my posts.

Do I agree with these people... Hell no!

I'm glad you at least purport to recognize evil for what it is, but with all the equivocation, grandstanding and white-washing you come off sounding like a terrorist sympathizer. Perhaps you should reassess your contradictory positions and return when you're a bit more lucid.

[von Wrangell]

Originally Posted by Kevin

In the past 30 years. How many times has that happened?

It's happened what twice in the past 30 years SWF? OH YEAH! Big diss.

Some info on it here:

linky

Perhaps you should accept that people to disgusting things in the name of religion. Yes, even your religion.


As for the OT. Disgusting. There is nothing in Islam that condones this behaviour and the Sharia bans it. It won't stop people from blaming Muslims and Islam for it though. But then, even we in the "civilised" West have our nutters as well.