[dale]

Noty sure exactly how ligit this is, bu macdaily are linking this story:

http://www.powerpage.org/archives/20...rock_mwsf.html

What do you think? Only three days to go, to see if the sandwich man is right!

[Leia's Left Bun]

Plasma's get burn in so who in the hell would put an OS with constant stationary items on the screen.

[wdlove]

Very anxious to hear Steve on Tuesday. Will just wait, don't want to be disappointed.

[demibob]

Not the most reliable of sources but its very imaginitive. It would be great if its true but it would be better without the screen as most people already have a tv.

[dale]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

Plasma's get burn in so who in the hell would put an OS with constant stationary items on the screen.

Don't know much about plasma's. but I wll take your word for it. I think I might have heard similar before.

I was wondering if this might be a new product avenue for apple: A product not to be used as a computer in the traditional sense, but as a media device with just the front row functionality (for displaying photos to the family, ordering online downloadable content e.g. movies, tv programmes etc..). The rumour would make more sense as an LCD based device.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

Plasma's get burn in so who in the hell would put an OS with constant stationary items on the screen.

First generations plasmas yes but from what I've heard the 2 gen are not affected by burn-in as badly.

[scaught]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

Plasma's get burn in so who in the hell would put an OS with constant stationary items on the screen.

dont some of the new sets have technology which jiggles every pixel left and right real quck like so that doesnt happen anymore? some dude at circuit city was telling me about it. dont know how well it works.

[awaspaas]

Originally Posted by scaught

dont some of the new sets have technology which jiggles every pixel left and right real quck like so that doesnt happen anymore? some dude at circuit city was telling me about it. dont know how well it works.

Wouldn't that halve the effective resolution?

[Leia's Left Bun]

Originally Posted by Ratm

First generations plasmas yes but from what I've heard the 2 gen are not affected by burn-in as badly.

The new ones are better but still definitely do.

[wdlove]

At least we will know in less than 48 hours. My dream currently is a 30" LCD.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by scaught

dont some of the new sets have technology which jiggles every pixel left and right real quck like so that doesnt happen anymore? some dude at circuit city was telling me about it. dont know how well it works.

Don't listen to the guys at CC. They like to make up sh*t when they don't have the correct answer.

[Leia's Left Bun]

Originally Posted by scaught

dont some of the new sets have technology which jiggles every pixel left and right real quck like so that doesnt happen anymore? some dude at circuit city was telling me about it. dont know how well it works.

Never heard of that.

I know some old CRT Projections moved the pictures around slowly on the screen to prevent burn in.

[TheoCryst]

Yes, because the Wawa sandwich man is the most reliable source possible. An imaginative story, but I'm doubting its anything more than that.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by dale

Noty sure exactly how ligit this is, bu macdaily are linking this story:

http://www.powerpage.org/archives/20...rock_mwsf.html

What do you think? Only three days to go, to see if the sandwich man is right!

It's O'Grady's Power Page. In other words, likely to be complete, unadulterated fiction.

tooki

[Busemann]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

Plasma's get burn in so who in the hell would put an OS with constant stationary items on the screen.

Burn-in isn't much of an issue with the latest panels, and who said there will be constant items on it? That it runs OSX doesn't mean it will be a normal Mac.

A lineup of Apple TV's would be really cool imho.

[Leia's Left Bun]

Originally Posted by Busemann

Burn-in isn't much of an issue with the latest panels

Yes, like I said also. BUT it is still a serious issue and they don't even recommend you buy plasma if you play video games on it.

[Goldfinger]

Applinsider and macrumors forums are full of this.

I for one hope that they do not start selling such a TV. The market for HDTVs is too young and especially in Europe (not to say: as good as non existing).

I could see a set top box with Front Row but it would be really complicated to do well.

[dale]

If two adjacent pixels were the same colour, the burn in problem would be still present, surely?

Not seen the powerpage web site before until tonight, so thanks for putting it into context. I usually look at thinksecret and appleinsider for fairly reliable rumours. I discovered macdaily a few days ago (yes I am a relative newcomer to the apple world) and the link was provided by them.

The only reason I am spending so much time hunting for news is that I plan to spend a fair amount of cash on a 20" iMac next week. A case of look before you leap!

Thanks for all the feedback though.

[Busemann]

Originally Posted by Goldfinger

I for one hope that they do not start selling such a TV. The market for HDTVs is too young and especially in Europe (not to say: as good as non existing).

Entering a young market is what made the iPod a success. Waiting for a market to proliferate and competitors to mature, and then jumping on the bandwagon, is the stupidest thing you can do.

[demibob]

Why just front row. Surley if it exists. It would be a complete home system. Computer, tv, dvd and hd recording. Like what microsoft predicted there would bein the future. Although they probably imagined they would be making it.

[slugslugslug]

Originally Posted by tooki

It's O'Grady's Power Page. In other words, likely to be complete, unadulterated fiction.

tooki

I said something like that in response to the whole "iBooks without FireWire" rumor they started. I was sure they'd been spectacularly wrong recently, but then I couldn't figure out when/where. They still haven't had any big hits in all these years.

At any rate, making such a far-out prediction so close to MWSF is essentially betting their reputation. If they're wrong (and I'm with you that they are), they'll be regarded as on the same level as macosrumors.com, and maybe ZDNet would can O'Grady.

If it does happen to be right, powerpage'll be getting refreshed as often as Think Secret and Apple Insider next Dec/Jan.

[demibob]

I though burn in effected other video outputs as well. I was once told that was the original purpose of screen savers. Hence the name.

[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by Busemann

Entering a young market is what made the iPod a success. Waiting for a market to proliferate and competitors to mature, and then jumping on the bandwagon, is the stupidest thing you can do.

I agree but, in Europe there isn't really a market. We have one HD channel and it's not even available everywhere (and you need to pay extra for it!) and all they show is documentaries and concerts. DVB-C is just being introduced in a few countries. In Belgium there are maybe 60.000 families with digital TV out of the Xmillion families (don't know the exact numbers). There are no standards, different encryption schemes, all sorts of proprietary stuff including semi implemented return systems for interactive televisions.

Right now the market is a mess. An Apple TV would be cool but I doubt that it would be wise.

[Ozmodiar]

Originally Posted by Ratm

Don't listen to the guys at CC. They like to make up sh*t when they don't have the correct answer.

Don't limit that just to Circuit City. Everyone is a liar. Everywhere.

[rickey939]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, no.

[demibob]

true or not i can't wait till tuesday.

[mduell]

While this could happen, I doubt it will. Despite the relatively low resolution of most plasma screens (I haven't seen better than 1920x1200, most are 1200-1400x700-800), they would be good for media centers with OSX's 10 foot interface. I can't see people paying Apple's usually high prices for a plasma TV though.

42 and 50" LCDs would be awesome (and tell us where Dell is going next), but unlikely (espically the 50"). If anything I'd say a 46" LCD is more likely than 42 or 50", since then they could run it at WQUXGA and keep the 100ppi they love so much.

[Face Ache]

Who will help me get my 50" iMac back to the shop when it breaks?

[k squared]

Originally Posted by demibob

Why just front row. Surley if it exists. It would be a complete home system. Computer, tv, dvd and hd recording. Like what microsoft predicted there would bein the future. Although they probably imagined they would be making it.

But why should/does it have to be a complete system? My friend had WebTV: it sucked.

Front Row, Bluetooth and AirPort. Bluetooth for the remote. AirPort for internet and networking to your desktop/laptop computer. You work on your desktop/laptop and play (watch movies streamed through your .mac account) and maybe even iChat on your large-screen TV.

Let's not nitpick on specifics: plasma, LCD, or something newer, but on the concept of having a processor/wireless/Bluetooth/disk drive integrated into a large-screen display.

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by Goldfinger

I agree but, in Europe there isn't really a market. We have one HD channel and it's not even available everywhere (and you need to pay extra for it!) and all they show is documentaries and concerts. DVB-C is just being introduced in a few countries. In Belgium there are maybe 60.000 families with digital TV out of the Xmillion families (don't know the exact numbers). There are no standards, different encryption schemes, all sorts of proprietary stuff including semi implemented return systems for interactive televisions.

Right now the market is a mess. An Apple TV would be cool but I doubt that it would be wise.

You have one? LOL we have zero, 'nada' here in Spain, just the digital terrestrial tv system that is pure crap, they use it to re-run tv shows that everyone have watched once and again Nevertheless… TV sucks big time

[Goldfinger]

Yep it's called "HD1", used to be called EURO1080, they broadcast in 1080i. It's a Belgian company located somwhere between Antwerp and Brussels. The channel is available through satellite and our cable company also offers it. BUT, you need a special Set top box just for that channel + a conditional access card. So, no thank you .

It's also a fact that currently european governments have no interest in implementing HDTV. First there is the switch to digital. After that the next big thing is Interactive Digital Television and after that comes HDTV. In say 5 to 10 years from now.

HD1: http://www.hd-1.tv/

[Dakar]

At this rate, what will be the size of Apple Displays by 2010?

[cmeisenzahl]

Wow!

[tooki]

Again, folks, let me remind you: this was on one of the most... er, "imaginative" rumor sites on the whole internet. Don't make any bets!

tooki

[Ratm]

Original image for this photoshopped beauty can be found here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051216/...n_pluggedin_dc

[tooki]

Originally Posted by slugslugslug

I said something like that in response to the whole "iBooks without FireWire" rumor they started. I was sure they'd been spectacularly wrong recently, but then I couldn't figure out when/where. They still haven't had any big hits in all these years.

At any rate, making such a far-out prediction so close to MWSF is essentially betting their reputation. If they're wrong (and I'm with you that they are), they'll be regarded as on the same level as macosrumors.com, and maybe ZDNet would can O'Grady.

If it does happen to be right, powerpage'll be getting refreshed as often as Think Secret and Apple Insider next Dec/Jan.

Um, I think that to most people, PowerPage is already below macosrumors and thinksecret. They have no more reputation to lose.

tooki

[slugslugslug]

Originally Posted by tooki

Um, I think that to most people, PowerPage is already below macosrumors and thinksecret. They have no more reputation to lose.

tooki

I guess I saw it this way: people know macosrumors well as the site that just makes stuff up; they don't even remember PowerPage exists most of the time. So if O'Grady is wrong, he'll have mosr-like mindshare, at least for a little while.

People obviously value Think Secret above mosr or PP, since they've been right fairly often, and close a few times as well..

[goMac]

ThinkSecret is saying they've heard the same rumor, although haven't received as many details about it.

[k squared]

Originally Posted by tooki

Um, I think that to most people, PowerPage is already below macosrumors and thinksecret. They have no more reputation to lose.

tooki

It's sad, really: I remember the scoop the PowerPage had with the Wallstreet PowerBooks. He had pictures before they were released. It's been downhill since then.

[Jasoco]

I don't think I'd trust a Plasma to be a monitor. My 20" LCD display is already showing burn-in.

[Mediaman_12]

Originally Posted by Goldfinger

Yep it's called "HD1", used to be called EURO1080, they broadcast in 1080i. It's a Belgian company located somwhere between Antwerp and Brussels. The channel is available through satellite and our cable company also offers it. BUT, you need a special Set top box just for that channel + a conditional access card. So, no thank you .

It's also a fact that currently european governments have no interest in implementing HDTV. First there is the switch to digital. After that the next big thing is Interactive Digital Television and after that comes HDTV. In say 5 to 10 years from now.

HD1: http://www.hd-1.tv/

HDTV is nearer than that in Europe, but it's going to be messy. Sky TV is launching a HDTV PVR, along with a selection of HDTV channels (lot's of UK sport, with selected other programming).
The bad news is that it's looks like thay are planning to use a different 'type' than whats been launched in the USA, so a HDTV plasma designed for the USA wouldn't work Over here, it would have to be a special 'EU' version.

[Goldfinger]

Sky is planning HDTV but, almost nobody outside of the UK is planning HDTV.

I think that the only difference there will be is that we will use QAM based DVB instead of the ATSC standard for transmitting used in the US. So we need different tuners. But that's already the case with SD digital television.