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Ulrich Kinbote · Jan 29, 2006, 08:35 AM

Could someone please tranz-lit-er-ate the pronunciation of :

"Le lune ne garde aucune rancune" for me ?

It occurs in a poem I have been asked to read in class by my English teacher (Rhapsody on a Windy Night by T. S. Eliot).

Thanks

P.S.

I am not Canadian.

Mastrap · Jan 29, 2006, 08:45 AM

Calling all Quebecois would be a better thread title. My French sucks badly, so I won't be able to help you there.

paul w · Jan 29, 2006, 08:52 AM

"Lah lyune nuh gahrduh ohcyune rahncyune"

toughest thing to conevy is the "u" sound. It's a bit the ü sound in german, but maybe more pronounced.

the y is meant to get your mouth closed and your tongue forward in your mouth. don't over do it though.

you can't underpronounce the uh in ne and garde, it's very subtle.

That said I'm coming at this from a French from France perspective. But hell it's the same damn language.

Ulrich Kinbote · Jan 29, 2006, 08:58 AM

cool... thanks...

it might be asking too much.... but... an mp3 link would be awesome....

[Big grin emoticon]

Ulrich Kinbote · Jan 29, 2006, 09:22 AM

... or failing that could you tell me how I should pronounce the "C's" in "Lah lyune nuh gahrduh ohcyune rahncyune" (the 'K' sound in 'cafe' or the 'S' sound in 'cement') ?

paul w · Jan 29, 2006, 09:25 AM

hard c's, like a k. Yeah never said I was the linguist.

There's some online thing that can generate an audio file of written text - they even have French and maybe even Quebecois. Demonhood might have the link as I suspect he uses it for his awesome audio locks.

Ulrich Kinbote · Jan 29, 2006, 10:00 AM

"Lah lyune nuh gahrduh ohcyune rahncyune"

I think I'm getting there but just to be clear on this could the "cyune" of the last two words in your transliteration also be written "KEE-UNE (as in the KEE in "monkey" and the UNE in "dune" ?

damn french is difficult....

Ulrich Kinbote · Jan 29, 2006, 04:10 PM

let's just forget it.

OreoCookie · Jan 29, 2006, 04:23 PM

The French would get pretty offended asking Franco-Canadiens for proper pronunciation

hayesk · Jan 30, 2006, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ulrich Kinbote

Could someone please tranz-lit-er-ate the pronunciation of :

"Le lune ne garde aucune rancune" for me ?
...
I am not Canadian.

Newflash: Most Canadians do not speak French. And among the ones that do, many can not pronounce French words properly.

You'd be better off asking someone from France.

Athens · Jan 30, 2006, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by paul w

"Lah lyune nuh gahrduh ohcyune rahncyune"

toughest thing to conevy is the "u" sound. It's a bit the ü sound in german, but maybe more pronounced.

the y is meant to get your mouth closed and your tongue forward in your mouth. don't over do it though.

you can't underpronounce the uh in ne and garde, it's very subtle.

That said I'm coming at this from a French from France perspective. But hell it's the same damn language.

Quebec french is similar but different enough that France French ppl bitch about it when in Quebec

ajprice · Jan 30, 2006, 04:09 AM

"Le lune ne garde aucune rancune"

...tries to remember French lessons in school...

"Ler loon nay gard (as in CARD) oh-coon ran-coon"

Thats my guess anyway!

CharlesS · Jan 30, 2006, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by ajprice

Ler loon nay

I'm not an expert, so I'm not going to provide an alternate pronunciation, but I know just enough to know that this is very wrong.

Tous vos base sont appartiennent à nous!

ajprice · Jan 30, 2006, 04:25 AM

I never said I was very good at French in school...

GRAFF · Jan 30, 2006, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by ajprice

"Le lune ne garde aucune rancune"

...tries to remember French lessons in school...

"Ler loon nay gard (as in CARD) oh-coon ran-coon"

Thats my guess anyway!

For most anglephones, the sound in French which is the most difficult is that pesky "u". It is much like the ü in German as mentioned previously. Hold your mouth as if to say "eeeee", and then say "loon". That should be fairly close to lune in French.

The "Le" in French is about halfway betwen "luh" and "leh" in English (don't go too close to the u sound in "duh!"

The ar in garde is not rolled, but the back of the tongue should be raised enough to just approach rolling the letter (as opposed to a Spanish r, which is rolled with the front of the tongue!!). Same for the r at the beginning of rancune.

The an in rancune is a nasal sound (as are en, in, on and un - they are each a different sound - a good example is "un bon vin blanc")

So...

Luh lün nuh gahrrde oh-cüne rrahn-cüne.

But I have never heard anyone actually say this, so you should be safe either way

Ulrich Kinbote · Jan 30, 2006, 05:01 AM

The audio file generator mentioned above I have found (thanks to a kind poster at a French Language forum, and the verdict is, it's awesome.

Check it out. You type in text and then select a "speaker" (French, English, American and so on). I don't know about the French, but the English is spot on (if a little clipped).

http://www.research.att.com/projects/tts/demo.html

Ulrich Kinbote · 06:33 AM

They speak pretty fast, but here's a tip another poster gave me (if anyone cares): Use a long dash "—" (alt, control, hyphen key) between words to make the "speaker" speak slowly.

villalobos · Jan 30, 2006, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

The French would get pretty offended asking Franco-Canadiens for proper pronunciation

no they would not.

Monique · Jan 30, 2006, 09:23 AM

the first word la is sounds like l with ah;
then second word l with you know the sound wolves make or a ghost then you add an n sound, do not prounouce the e;
the third word ne say it like na;
the fourth word, first part gah then the r is quite tricky in French so you have to do a purring sound then the final syllable is de which sounds like da;
the fifth word is easy au sounds like o cu sounds like q and the last part ne sounds like n;
the sixth word again the r sound is purring so we want ra is rah, then n like n, cu is q and ne is n.