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CorruptModerators · Jan 31, 2006, 08:52 AM

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lounge/283691/pool-cue-stolen/

Now be amazed that the LOVELY moderators around here allow this type of behavior from artful dodger, and ban people who ges pissed off when someone is openly harassing them and talks about having sex with their spouse. Yep, that's allowed.

Apparently, picking fights, being an asshole, and talking about raping your people's wives is allowed here on Macnn!

But getting pissed off ISN'T!!! In fact, that's ban-worthy!

What do YOU think?

Stradlater · 09:26 AM

Dude you fed his behavior by getting all defensive. You were also the first person to be an asshole on the thread. AD took things way too far, though, and should be punished if you're to be, as well.

Regardless, did you even go through PM first?

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 09:25 AM

I predict ths nick won't last long..

-t

zerostar · Jan 31, 2006, 09:27 AM

Up to that point it wasn't vulgar, he should be banned (or suspended) for posting that in an open forum.

And, apparently this is allowed.

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torsoboy · Jan 31, 2006, 09:37 AM

I agree that Artful Dodger should be banned. that was unacceptable on his part.

strictlyplaid · Jan 31, 2006, 09:43 AM

Dear Cash,

If you don't like it here, leave.

Love, strictlyplaid

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by strictlyplaid

Dear Cash,
If you don't like it here, leave.
Love, strictlyplaid

The epitome of a love-hate relationship...

MacNStein · Jan 31, 2006, 09:56 AM

Rob, and I'll spell this out completely, you are not a member!

One more time for ya, you are not a member. No, not at all, or in any sense of the word. You have been banned, removed, amputated, deleted, purged, excluded, prohibited, interdicted, and SACKED. For this very reason, you do not have any rights, privileges, or protections like the members of MacNN do. As has been stated before, it's open season on you, because you're not supposed to be here!

YOU ARE BANNED REGARDLESS OF WHAT NEW NICKNAME YOU CHOOSE. MAKING A NEW NICKNAME DOES NOT GET YOU "UNBANNED". The admins likely just ban you again as soon as they realize that a new account is YOU.

They don't want you here. Period. Finito. End of discussion.

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by torsoboy

I agree that Artful Dodger should be banned. that was unacceptable on his part.

I third that motion, if Ca$h was banned for the things he said, then Artful Dodger should definitely be banned because his behavior was similar if not worse.

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by itistoday

I third that motion, if Ca$h was banned for the things he said, then Artful Dodger should definitely be banned because his behavior was similar if not worse.

The difference? Rob is banned. If Rob feels the need to ban evade, he will also have to put up with any abuse that comes with it.

Rob KNOWS this, and has been TOLD this as well.

Yet for some reason, just like his ban, he thinks if he just ignores it, it will go away, or not be true.

"WISH IT UNTRUE MOMMY. WISH IT UNTRUE!!"

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Rob, and I'll spell this out completely, you are not a member!

One more time for ya, you are not a member. No, not at all, or in any sense of the word. You have been banned, removed, amputated, deleted, purged, excluded, prohibited, interdicted, and SACKED. For this very reason, you do not have any rights, privileges, or protections like the members of MacNN do. As has been stated before, it's open season on you, because you're not supposed to be here!

YOU ARE BANNED REGARDLESS OF WHAT NEW NICKNAME YOU CHOOSE. MAKING A NEW NICKNAME DOES NOT GET YOU "UNBANNED". The admins likely just ban you again as soon as they realize that a new account is YOU.

They don't want you here. Period. Finito. End of discussion.

I'm not sure if that was clear enough for him though...

analogika · 10:13 AM

I find it disconcerting to have to agree with MacNStein, but there it is.

(see Edit 2, below)

Oh, and a ****ing moron who breaks into a thread to yap at people being idiots for spending $500 on a pool cue deserves to be treated like one.

I hear some complete fools spend $500 on ****ing RIMS for their car. And they leave them OUTSIDE, on the CAR, too.

Edit: We also KNOW that you've already found the "Feedback" forum, too, so posting this stupid thread here is nothing but attention-whoreing.

Edit 2:

Woah.

Just read through the *whole* thread.

Ouch. That is out of line.

Rob started off by being a total prick, but most of us did learn in pre-school that "he started it!" is not a valid defense for outrageous behavior.

I stand by the rest of my original post above, though.

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

I hear some complete fools spend $500 on ****ing RIMS for their car. And they leave them OUTSIDE, on the CAR, too.

Inconceivable. I am shocked. Appalled. Dismayed.

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

The difference? Rob is banned. If Rob feels the need to ban evade, he will also have to put up with any abuse that comes with it.

I don't see a difference. Rob remains a human being, regardless of what you may think; one doesn't say the stuff Artful Dodger said and remain a member, regardless of whether or not Rob is a member. That kind of behavior should not be allowed on the forums regardless against whom it's directed. To leave him a member would be blatant hypocrisy on the part of the moderators in every definition of the word.

MacNStein · Jan 31, 2006, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

The difference? Rob is banned. If Rob feels the need to ban evade, he will also have to put up with any abuse that comes with it.

Exactly!

He's NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

Why is it so hard for him, and apparently some others, to understand?

Mastrap · Jan 31, 2006, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

= you do not have any rights, privileges, or protections like the members of MacNN do[/b]. As has been stated before, it's open season on you, because you're not supposed to be here!

Just because Rob is banned, there's no excuse for the other guy's behaviour. This is not a lynch mob.

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by itistoday

I don't see a difference. Rob remains a human being, regardless of what you may think; one doesn't say the stuff Artful Dodger said and remain a member, regardless of whether or not Rob is a member. That kind of behavior should not be allowed on the forums regardless against whom it's directed against.

AGAIN, Rob is banned. The OWNERS of this forum does not want Rob here.

Rob chooses to go against that and come here regardless.

When you are not welcome, do not expect those that run the establishment to take up for you, or punish those members that DO belong here for abusing you.

Simply put, Rob can stop being abused in here by actually TAKING his punishment.

Esp since Rob is the worst abuser of such things.

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by CorruptModerators

Apparently, picking fights, being an asshole, and talking about raping your people's wives is allowed here on Macnn!

But getting pissed off ISN'T!!! In fact, that's ban-worthy!

What do YOU think?

Rob, to be honest, I don't like you. At least not your personality.

BUT

I agree with you on this: that was f***ed up by Artful, and he should at least get temp banned for that.

WTF mods, what's up with this double standard ?
turtle777 got temp banned for Rob-baiting (posting a thread about Rob), but nothing hateful in it. But Artful get's away with sh!t like that ?

Unbelievable

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Just because Rob is banned, there's no excuse for the other guy's behaviour. This is not a lynch mob.

No of course his behavior was bad. I don't think anyone would say that.

But why should we ban Artful for attacking someone that isn't supposed to be here, that was attacking othere people? And CONTINUES TO?

Tell us what we should do Mastrap.

Rob's hateful degenerate posts cause people to react in bad ways. She we punish those people because of that?

dav · Jan 31, 2006, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Rob, and I'll spell this out completely, you are not a member!

i thought the rationale of turtle being banned a few weeks back was because rob was a member. link

MacNStein · Jan 31, 2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by itistoday

I don't see a difference. Rob remains a human being, regardless of what you may think

It doesn't matter! The rules apply to members and protect members. He has no protection because he's not a member. The rules say nothing about abusing non-members, if that were the case the entire left-wing part of the forum would be banned for what they've said about Bush.

Again, he has no protections, he's not a member, if he doesn't like it he can abide with the ban.

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Just because Rob is banned, there's no excuse for the other guy's behaviour. This is not a lynch mob.

Artful crossed the line. IMO, it doesn't matter who he responded to, and whether that person is supposed to be here or not.

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by dav

i thought the rationale of turtle being banned a few weeks back was because rob was a memeber. link

The difference? Turtle was TRYING to get Rob to come back and flame by baiting him.

Artful came into a thread Rob was already part of, a thread Rob was already being an ass in, and did the same back.

Mastrap · Jan 31, 2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

But why should we ban Artful for attacking someone that isn't supposed to be here, that was attacking othere people? And CONTINUES TO?

Tell us what we should do Mastrap.

One guy's bad behaviour is no excuse for another guy to retaliate in the way AD did. Our entire notion of justice is build upon this premise.

MacNStein · Jan 31, 2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by dav

i thought the rationale of turtle being banned a few weeks back was because rob was a memeber. link

And Turtle was unbanned because they realized the error.

More likely, the ban was actually because of spamming the forum, and stirring up more ca$h bullsh*t.

dav · Jan 31, 2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

The difference? Turtle was TRYING to get Rob to come back and flame by baiting him.

Artful came into a thread Rob was already part of, a thread Rob was already being an ass in, and did the same back.

my point was that he's still considered a member

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Artful crossed the line. IMO, it doesn't matter who he responded to, and whether that person is supposed to be here or not.

Artful isn't going to get banned. It doesn't matter who gets pissy about it. That is how it goes

Banned members coming back before their ban is over, don't have the same priveledges as those who do.

It's as simple as that.

Chuckit · Jan 31, 2006, 10:12 AM

Well, tooki has made it clear that he's not going to defend Rob if he chooses to evade his ban. I don't know why Rob expected it to work differently now.

That said, Artful Dodger's post was crude enough that it should merit at least a warning even if it were directed at his imaginary friend. I don't know whether he got a warning, though, so I'm not going to comment on how the mods handled the situation.

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

One guy's bad behaviour is no excuse for another guy to retaliate in the way AD did. Our entire notion of justice is build upon this premise.

Our? As in MacNN? No.

Why should MacNN respect Rob, when Rob doesn't respect MacNN?

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

AGAIN, Rob is banned. The OWNERS of this forum does not want Rob here.

Rob chooses to go against that and come here regardless.

When you are not welcome, do not expect those that run the establishment to take up for you, or punish those members that DO belong here for abusing you.

Simply put, Rob can stop being abused in here by actually TAKING his punishment.

Esp since Rob is the worst abuser of such things.

How are you so dense. You have a very twisted and selective sense of justice. You do not say what Artful Dodger says and stay a member. What he said was worse than anything I've ever seen Rob say, and Rob's been banned, therefore Artful Dodger should be banned too, otherwise it is hypocrisy.

Here, maybe your dense little mind needs an analogy to get it:

Teacher Mrs. Wilson puts Tommy into the corner facing the wall for calling Jessica names. Tommy soon gets tired just sitting there and answers one of the questions the teacher just asked the class. Now Rachel taunts and calls Tommy and his family names. The teacher sees that Rachel is also a rotten one and punishes her as well as well as reprehending Tommy for not obeying his punishment.

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

It doesn't matter! The rules apply to members and protect members. He has no protection because he's not a member. The rules say nothing about abusing non-members, if that were the case the entire left-wing part of the forum would be banned for what they've said about Bush.

Again, he has no protections, he's not a member, if he doesn't like it he can abide with the ban.

MacNStein, I agree, Rob shouldn't enjoy protection.

But what about the rest of the members ? I want to be protected from sh!t like the stuff Artful dished out. It's not only about Rob, it's about the Lounge. Stuff like that should NEVER be tolerated in open fourms.

I mean, WTF ? Tooki and DH always maintain that this is NOT an open forum, and that there are rules and unlimited free speech does NOT apply. They try to keep bickering and hateful speech to a minimum, and consciously censor some things to maintain their standards. Artful's post goes AGAINST all standards they communicated in the past. It shouldn't matter who it was addressed to.

Mastrap · Jan 31, 2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Artful isn't going to get banned. It doesn't matter who gets pissy about it. That is how it goes

Since when are you running macnn?

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by itistoday

How are you so dense.

That simply didn't make sense. Maybe you meant a ? at the end. When calling one dense, try not to make DENSE statements.

What Rob is doing is Pissing on the police while expect them to help him.

Why should they?

MacNStein · Jan 31, 2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Just because Rob is banned, there's no excuse for the other guy's behaviour. This is not a lynch mob.

Why not? He's not a member, would be the same as saying something about Joseph Stalin or John Denver, except that they've likely not pissed off nearly as many people.

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Since when are you running macnn?

I remember asking him the same question a while back...

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Since when are you running macnn?

Since when did I say I was?

I am only repeating what those that DO run it have said. AS MANY people in here pointed out.

If you'd actually read instead of reacting.

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That simply didn't make sense. Maybe you meant a ? at the end. When calling one dense, try not to make DENSE statements.

What Rob is doing is Pissing on the police while expect them to help him.

Why should they?

Go back and read the post.

euchomai · Jan 31, 2006, 10:20 AM

I'm not maintaining that we ban AD because he said that stuff to Rob. It's not about Rob, it's about a member of this board speaking in a thread as he did. We shouldn't have to read crap like that, we don't come here for it and it should be stopped.

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by dav

my point was that he's still considered a member

That's right. See, I didn't know that. I thought banned = deleted, unmembered.

For the mods, a banned mamber is still a member.

-t

MacNStein · Jan 31, 2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by itistoday

Teacher Mrs. Wilson puts Tommy into the corner facing the wall for calling Jessica names. Tommy soon gets tired just sitting there and answers one of the questions the teacher just asked the class. Now Rachel taunts and calls Tommy and his family names. The teacher sees that Rachel is also a rotten one and punishes her as well as well as reprehending Tommy for not obeying his punishment.

NO!!! NO!!! In this case, "Tommy" was expelled, he's not even supposed to be in the school. If he were gone, like he's supposed to be, "Rachel" wouldn't have said anything. "Tommy" is actually trespassing on private property.

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by euchomai

I'm not maintaining that we ban AD because he said that stuff to Rob. It's not about Rob, it's about a member of this board speaking in a thread as he did. We shouldn't have to read crap like that, we don't come here for it and it should be stopped.

Kevin · Jan 31, 2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by itistoday

Go back and read the post.

I DID! But I don't have to, to know that this sentence "How are you so dense." is incorrect.

Do you know see that it is?

Of course I would have never brought it up had you not been calling me dense while making such a mistake.

You worded as a question, but gave it a period as if it were a statement.

But that is ok, I wont call you DENSE for doing it.

boots · Jan 31, 2006, 10:22 AM

I guess I'd be surprised if dodger didn't get a stern talking to. But I agree that Rob ran out of second chances a few years ago.

Chuckit · Jan 31, 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

MacNStein, I agree, Rob shouldn't enjoy protection.

But what about the rest of the members ? I want to be protected from sh!t like the stuff Artful dished out. It's not only about Rob, it's about the Lounge. Stuff like that should NEVER be tolerated in open fourms.

I mean, WTF ? Tooki and DH always maintain that this is NOT an open forum, and that there are rules and unlimited free speech does NOT apply. They try to keep bickering and hateful speech to a minimum, and consciously censor some things to maintain their standards. Artful's post goes AGAINST all standards they communicated in the past. It shouldn't matter who it was addressed to.

Exactly right.

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

NO!!! NO!!! In this case, "Tommy" was expelled, he's not even supposed to be in the school. If he were gone, like he's supposed to be, "Rachel" wouldn't have said anything. "Tommy" is actually trespassing on private property.

No difference, Rachel's still a bitch for saying what she said to Tommy and her potty-mouth needs to be washed with soap.

turtle777 · Jan 31, 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Why not? He's not a member, would be the same as saying something about Joseph Stalin or John Denver, except that they've likely not pissed off nearly as many people.

MacNStein,

per definition of tooki, he still IS a mamber. A banned mamber, at that.
I don't know what that makes it out of that case.

But it troubles me that Artful's behaviour is excused on base of technicalities concerning Rob's status. That just ain't right.

TurboMac · Jan 31, 2006, 10:24 AM

So what your saying Kevin is your the teachers pet. Only the teachers are the moderators! Ahh it all makes sense. But my question is what do you get out of it? I know if it were the teacher you would probably be getting all A's. Since it is MacNN are you getting all D's in the M's?

OldManMac · Jan 31, 2006, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

No of course his behavior was bad. I don't think anyone would say that.

But why should we ban Artful for attacking someone that isn't supposed to be here, that was attacking othere people? And CONTINUES TO?

Tell us what we should do Mastrap.

Rob's hateful degenerate posts cause people to react in bad ways. She we punish those people because of that?

Rob's hateful degenerate posts do not cause people to do anything. They choose to react; they are not forced to do so, simply because he posts. Unfortunately, Rob appears to be an attention-whore, who will do anything to get attention, even if it is negative. It appears that he thrives on negative attention, as it's probably the only attention he got while growing up (at least physically). For whatever reasons, he doesn't seem to be able to choose to stay away, as that would leave him in an even lonelier state than he's already in, so he continually returns here because we (and I'm guilty of it as well) feed off his diatribes and make him feel wanted by somebody, even in a negative sense. The only way to get Rob to stop posting here is to stop replying to his threads. Unfortunately, that will probably never happen, because some of us choose to get into a pissing war with him, as it gives us attention as well.

itistoday · Jan 31, 2006, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

I DID! But I don't have to, to know that this sentence "How are you so dense." is incorrect.

You worded as a question, but gave it a period as if it were a statement.

It was a statement, and not a question (at most a rhetorical question). And it's also besides the f*cking point. Go back and read the point and don't come back until you understand it.