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Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 01:21 PM

This man, apparently, killed his wife and infant daughter.

Link

What would make him do something like that? He apparently was struggling financially and even tried his hand at eBay. His sales at eBay were extremely small - he could have been selling much higher-priced items. The sales generally range in price from $20 to $50 USD.

Here is his eBay feedback.

Can you imagine discovering that you'd conducted business on eBay with this person?

I guess his world was crashing in on him? But why not ask someone for help?

I don't understand.

for the mum and baby Lillian.

TETENAL · Feb 9, 2006, 01:40 PM

And you don't want to fry him? Nope. He's white.

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 01:43 PM

Yes, I think he should receive the death penalty, absolutely, only in Massachussetts they don't have it thanks to people like Mary Jo Kopechne-killer Ted Kennedy.

(That's just for the record.)

Sky Captain · Feb 9, 2006, 01:46 PM

I'd be more than happy to throw the switch.
Killed them over debt? He could "snap" again. Can't take anymore chances. Remove him from society. Make that the genepool.

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 01:57 PM

Yeah, people who commit crimes over debt are the worst, aren't they?

He could have gotten a real job for the love of Pete.

Everyone works. Even Paris Hilton. You. Me. We all WORK.

I don't get it.

Reminds me of that line at the end of the movie Fargo:

Marge Gunderson (Frances McDormand)
"There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don't you know that? And here you are. And it's a beautiful day.''

cjrivera · Feb 9, 2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

And you don't want to fry him? Nope. He's white.

I'm not the biggest fan of Cody Dawg, but for you to insinuate that this is the death penalty is a racial issue with her is a little much. After all, she was one of Tookie's biggest defenders around here when that thread was going around. So I guess that means Tookie was white....

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 02:17 PM

And, anyway, I'm not always for the death penalty.

But, if the person is mentally competent and plotted and planned a murder (calculated murder) then he deserves to lose his own life for taking someone else's life.

TETENAL · Feb 9, 2006, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by cjrivera

o insinuate that this is the death penalty is a racial issue with her is a little much.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr510462003

Research in the 1980s concluded that in Texas a murder of a white person was more than five times more likely to result in a death sentence than the murder of an African American.

There is a racial bias in death penalty.

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 9, 2006, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yeah, people who commit crimes over debt are the worst, aren't they?

Yeah, they are so much worse than people who commit hate crimes, people who commit crimes to get drugs, and even people who commit crimes FOR NO REASON AT ALL.

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 02:56 PM

You're wrong.

If someone commits a crime because he or she is HIGH on drugs or alcohol or has MENTAL ILLNESS at least has an excuse for committing a crime.

Someone who premeditates murder - like this ass did - deserves no sympathy or compassion.

RAILhead · Feb 9, 2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr510462003

There is a racial bias in death penalty.

So Cody is Texas? I live in Cody? Don't be such a

subego · Feb 9, 2006, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yes, I think he should receive the death penalty, absolutely, only in Massachussetts they don't have it thanks to people like Mary Jo Kopechne-killer Ted Kennedy.

(That's just for the record.)

For those interested in conspiracy theory, I have heard that TK left the party with a different woman and MJK was asleep in the back (unbeknownst to TK).

Not sure I believe it, but it seems to fit the (frankly bizarre) known details of the case.

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 9, 2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

You're wrong.

If someone commits a crime because he or she is HIGH on drugs or alcohol or has MENTAL ILLNESS at least has an excuse for committing a crime.

Someone who premeditates murder - like this ass did - deserves no sympathy or compassion.

No, I am not wrong. being high on drugs or alcohol is NO EXCUSE for committing a crime. For that matter, neither is mental illness.

BTW, how do you know it was premeditated? How do you know he is not mentally ill? How do you know he was not on drugs when he did this?

Once again, you show yourself to have no self control when it comes to judging people based solely on what you read in the news.

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 03:53 PM

Like you're judging me?

You should title yourself "Mr.JinglesAssClown."

I Bent My Wookiee · Feb 9, 2006, 03:56 PM

I can't believe he found people stupid enough to think they were buying a fully licensed copy of Adobe Illustrator for $20.

And they acted surprised when they didn't get the item.

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 03:58 PM

Ya know, I never thought of that?

Although (and WDLove will attest to this) I did recently buy brand new Photoshop (full retail in box) recently for $75 on eBay through buy it now (well, it was about 2 months ago). They even sent me the receipt for it from their retail store where it was purchased (online site). True story, I kid you not.

There ARE some deals out there.

turtle777 · Feb 9, 2006, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

And, anyway, I'm not always for the death penalty.

No, only on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.

Oh, wait, no ?!?!

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 04:02 PM

That's right.

When I think it's appropriate.

In this case this guy deserves to fry and fry right away.

Oh, and about his parents trying to shelter him in Britain? They should be ashamed of themselves.

andi*pandi · Feb 9, 2006, 04:07 PM

i'm really sick of these ****ers going crazy and killing their wife and child(ren). Divorce them, just leave them, but whatever made him think that killing them was the way. ****er. He should have just committed suicide or jumped in front of a train so his wife could have his life insurance. Dumbass.

:|

Cody Dawg · Feb 9, 2006, 04:13 PM

Well said, as usual.

andi*pandi

turtle777 · Feb 9, 2006, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Although (and WDLove will attest to this) I did recently buy brand new Photoshop (full retail in box) recently for $75 on eBay through buy it now (well, it was about 2 months ago). They even sent me the receipt for it from their retail store where it was purchased (online site). True story, I kid you not.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

Someone fooled you to make you believe it's a legit copy. It's not.

Do you really think somebody who sells professionally counterfeited retail boxes can't counterfeit a retail sales receipt ? Yeah, you probably do !

wdlove · Feb 9, 2006, 05:04 PM

This is such a heinous crime. It is the main news here in Boston. Thinking that it was a failed Murder Suicide Pact. Callers on my local talk radio can't understand how he could not have killed himself after shooting his 9 month older daughter. He is a coward.

ghporter · Feb 9, 2006, 05:36 PM

I should point out that Amnesty International has managed to evade the socioeconomic link (meaning that poor people can't afford better lawyers and get stuck with morons who make public defenders look bad) to who gets sentenced to death in the U.S. Further, they also (conveniently for them) avoid the rather troubling issue of higher crime rates (and tendency for more serious and more violent crimes) among minorities in the U.S. than among people of European ancestry. Nope. To them it's all skin color, and nothing else is involved.

In point of fact, when ANYONE gets a decent lawyer they stand a much better chance of not even being formally charged with a capital offense, and if charged, they are far more likely to be acquitted or found guilty of a lesser charge. On the other hand, white people who have to depend on public defenders wind up on the bad end of a sentence just about as often as non-whites.

If you factor in the higher crime rate and lower ability to hire more competent counsel, you usually see that sentencing is relatively fair. That's not to say that there is no discrimination involved, but in general the application of capital sentences is much less biased than using "cheap shot" statistics might imply.

wdlove · Feb 9, 2006, 06:18 PM

Also wondering if he will ever return to the US. It has been mentioned that he could be let on on bail. The extradition process could take up to a year. Mentioned that he could plead guilty in England so that he could remain with his parents.

I miss you Cody. Want to chat. Have some news. :

Face Ache · Feb 9, 2006, 07:53 PM

Tragic story. There are some messed up people out there.

I don't have enough information to sentence him to death though.

analogika · Feb 10, 2006, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

i'm really sick of these ****ers going crazy and killing their wife and child(ren). Divorce them, just leave them, but whatever made him think that killing them was the way. ****er. He should have just committed suicide or jumped in front of a train so his wife could have his life insurance. Dumbass.

:|

Every single life insurance policy on the planet specifically excludes suicide.

demograph68 · Feb 10, 2006, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Every single life insurance policy on the planet specifically excludes suicide.

Hmm, that's why you make it look accidental? (muahaha)

demograph68 · Feb 10, 2006, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Can you imagine discovering that you'd conducted business on eBay with this person?

If it was for a fair price then nope, not really.

forkies · Feb 10, 2006, 02:51 AM

not hollywood stars. don't care.

Kevin · Feb 10, 2006, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

And you don't want to fry him? Nope. He's white.

Seek Help. Soon.

Originally Posted by TETENAL

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr510462003

There is a racial bias in death penalty.

Um that doesn't equate racial bias just because more happen. And this has nothing to do with Cody. Again, Seek help.

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 10, 2006, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Like you're judging me?

You should title yourself "Mr.JinglesAssClown."

Nah, not judging - just an astute observation. Doesn't take a genius to see that you want to fry anyone who does anything that gets your emotions boiling based on a news article you read.

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 10, 2006, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Like you're judging me?

You should title yourself "Mr.JinglesAssClown."

I love how you resort to name calling instead of trying to defend you judgemental attitude that is based entirely on a news article.

Oh, in case you missed it, WDLove misses you and wants to chat - he has some news.

andi*pandi · Feb 10, 2006, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by demograph68

Hmm, that's why you make it look accidental? (muahaha)

precisely.

Kevin · Feb 10, 2006, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

Nah, not judging - just an astute observation. Doesn't take a genius to see that you want to fry anyone who does anything that gets your emotions boiling based on a news article you read.

MrJingle, do you have a mother? If so, I suggest you give her a call. You need to learn to deal with females with less hostility and contempt.

Maybe your mother could teach you a thing or two.

Cody Dawg · Feb 10, 2006, 07:43 AM

He was hatched not born.

I'm not sure he has a mother.

Hiya, Kevin, how are ya?

Your post count is, uh...

WOW!

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 10, 2006, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

MrJingle, do you have a mother? If so, I suggest you give her a call. You need to learn to deal with females with less hostility and contempt.

Maybe your mother could teach you a thing or two.

I have a mother and a beautiful wife. Neither of them are judgemental when it comes to news they read. Like me (and many other rational people) they tend to take news articles with a grain of salt and let things play out before forming a conclusion and an opinion on the matter. The same is true of the majority of my female friends.

This has nothing to do with hostility and contempt. Cody has every right to post these articles and her opinion. And I have every right to offer a different opinion. It's not my problem if she can't take criticism and doesn't like people who don't fall in line with her thoughts and opinions.

For the record, I am not the one calling people names - she is.

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 10, 2006, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

He was hatched not born.

I'm not sure he has a mother.

Hmmm, another personal attack. Do you not know how to argue like an adult? All I've done is point out the history of SNAP JUDGEMENTS you have made based solely on news articles you read. 95% of your threads should be in the Political Lounge IMO as most of them end up being about you wanting the government to kill people and thus result in discussion about the death penalty.

Cody Dawg · Feb 10, 2006, 08:05 AM

"Blah, blah, blah...IMO...Blah, blah, blah...IMO..."

YOU were the one that started the personal attacks, REMEMBER?

Once again, you show yourself to have no self control...

I guess this is a case where you can dish it out but you can't take it?

ghporter · Feb 10, 2006, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by demograph68

Hmm, that's why you make it look accidental? (muahaha)

Thinking of this?

Boy was Barbara Stanwyck HOT! And Fred MacMurray showed he really could act. Wow!

How's that for changing the direction of a thread?

forkies · Feb 10, 2006, 08:22 AM

lord...i'm afraid this thread is becoming quite the sad story in itself

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 10, 2006, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

"Blah, blah, blah...IMO...Blah, blah, blah...IMO..."

YOU were the one that started the personal attacks, REMEMBER?

I guess this is a case where you can dish it out but you can't take it?

If you are going to quote me, put it in context:

Once again, you show yourself to have no self control when it comes to judging people based solely on what you read in the news.

That's not a personal attack, that's an observation that anyone with half a brain can see.

Do you deny that you are basing your judgement of this man based on nothing but a news article?

The man hasn't been convicted of anything and yet you want him to fry. That is a snap judgement you made because you read an article that emotionally got you fired up.

Do you deny that?

If you don't deny that then quit trying to play the victim here.

You still haven't shown me where I personally attacked you, however you have said:

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

He was hatched not born.

I'm not sure he has a mother.

and

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

You should title yourself "Mr.JinglesAssClown."

ghporter · Feb 10, 2006, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

Do you deny that you are basing your judgement of this man based on nothing but a news article?

The man hasn't been convicted of anything and yet you want him to fry. That is a snap judgement you made because you read an article that emotionally got you fired up.

Do you deny that?

I know your post wasn't aimed at me, but I need to respond to it anyway.

Actually, based on a number of independent news reports quoting law enforcement sources, I feel I can characterize this person as not only very suspicious but as an extremely likely suspect as well. It sure doesn't do him any good to have fled the country! It looks VERY bad for him.

He's been apprehended in England, by the way.

Cody Dawg · Feb 10, 2006, 08:42 AM

And today he voluntarily agreed to be extradited back to the United States.

Oh, and let's not forget...

HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO ATTEND HIS OWN WIFE AND BABY GIRL'S FUNERALS.

Yeah, he looks innocent alright.

wdlove · Feb 10, 2006, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

And today he voluntarily agreed to be extradited back to the United States.

Oh, and let's not forget...

HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO ATTEND HIS OWN WIFE AND BABY GIRL'S FUNERALS.

Yeah, he looks innocent alright.

Hi Cody,

His lawyers negotiations with the local magistrate must not have gone well. Just so tragic.

Mrjinglesusa · Feb 10, 2006, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

And today he voluntarily agreed to be extradited back to the United States.

Oh, and let's not forget...

HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO ATTEND HIS OWN WIFE AND BABY GIRL'S FUNERALS.

Yeah, he looks innocent alright.

OK. So now we know in YOUR WORLD people are GUILTY until proven innocent.

I guess there is no need for a trial or anything since all the evidence is right there in the media. I always thought the idea one was "innocent until proven guilty" was an outdated idea - what with the internet and all.

Here's a new basis for a judicial system: Jurors can just read the evidence as layed out in the news and vote online! As a juror, you are simply given a news article to read and you vote "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" based on that. Quick and easy.

Cody Dawg · Feb 10, 2006, 09:24 AM

Mrjingles:

You are really out to get me aren't you?

Go for it! Have fun!

His wife just SOMEHOW ended up dead, right? And the baby? I guess it's an ACCIDENT?

Let's see...

1. Husband has excessive debt including legal problems involving FRAUD on eBay and other places
2. Borrows gun from father-in-law
3. Returns gun to father-in-law
4. Leaves suddenly to go to England
5. Wife and infant girl found dead in home - shot by the gun the husband borrowed
6. Funeral held and "beloved" husband does not attend funeral for wife or daughter

Sure looks like he's innocent to me!

andi*pandi · Feb 10, 2006, 09:54 AM

him and scott peterson. and the guy who shot his wife and put her in a dumpster, then went mattress shopping. sometimes, evidence is straightforward.

christ · Feb 10, 2006, 10:28 AM

Years of watching CSI have taught me not to jump to conclusions.

If he's guilty, fry him, but let's wait for the verdict first, please.

andi*pandi · Feb 10, 2006, 10:34 AM

you have a point. there could be a one-armed man involved.

Cody Dawg · Feb 10, 2006, 10:44 AM

Yes, I guess you're right.

Where's Matlock when you need him, right?

He'd have figured this "mystery" out by now!