[aberdeenwriter]

Just saw a TV spot for (I think) State Farm Insurance. The pretty middle aged blonde mom is pulled over by a cop for presumably a traffic violation but doesn't have proof of insurance so she calls her agent who drives over and saves her from incarceration, again, presumably.

At a certain point when it looked bleakest, her kid in the back seat said, "Cool! Mom's going to jail!"

Bad message to send to American youth. It encourages family disloyalty and undermines parental authority.

Yes, it can be viewed humorously. No, she PROBABLY wouldn't have gone to jail. Yes, it would most likely have wound up being a mere inconvenience to her.

Yes, it sends the wrong message and reflects an unhealthy and corrosive point of view.

The American ad copywriters are being given the keys to drive home messages and because THEY are little sickos they are promoting THEIR sense of morality and coolness.

Wishing the worst for your parents is a cool thing it seems. It's in the same category as thinking putting Ben Gay in your mom's shoes would be funny. Not the end of the world. Just kidding. Kinda cool to see how she'd react. A new and different kind of entertainment for the terminally and continually bored and jaded.

Haha!

[- - e r i k - -]

AGAIN with being the ad-police?

[iLikebeer]

Don't you ever change the channel when commercials come on?

[jjlannoo]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Just saw a TV spot for....

You really need a DVR. I have seen very few commercials since summer 2000

[Kr0nos]

Shouldn't you be soliciting sex from minors on the intardweb or something...

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Shouldn't you be soliciting sex from minors on the intardweb or something...

You are sick and evil. If I were going to respond to you on your level I would comment that it's illegal for you to pimp out your sister on the internet.

But I'm not going there even though I'm sure she's worth every $5 trick she does.

Punk.

[Rolling Bones]

As far as I know most places allow 24 hours to produce stuffs.

More importantly is why she was pulled over?!!?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by iLikebeer

Don't you ever change the channel when commercials come on?

If we are what we consume then this ad is worse than junk food.

I am not personally offended by these ads. I certainly CAN and DO find them entertaining. It's not about my changing the channel.

It is about KNOWING that messages like this produces individuals such as I imagine Kr0n0s to be.

Ignorant, but slick. Possessed of some redeeming qualities but a sociological mush-mutt.

And when we look at what's in the news and wonder why these people are happening that never happened when we were growing up, I suggest we've never had the formative influences that we do now when we were growing up.

I can't really say I know anything about him but for him to gain some notoriety (?) he allowed himself to be thought of as an ill-bred, pus-sucker. And in his dark little world that probably represents a step UP the evolutionary ladder from where he actually fumes.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

As far as I know most places allow 24 hours to produce stuffs.

More importantly is why she was pulled over?!!?

May be true. Like I said, she probably wasn't going to jail. And that the kid would say such a thing may be funny, I don't think American kids need more encouragement to subvert good values.

And before we go any further, there are some values that EVERYONE can get behind no matter your philosophy, mentality, religion or none, age, race, income or national origin.

Solid citizen. Soccer mom type. Cop never pulled his gun or anything. Just appeared to be a routine traffic stop. I looked on the web for a copy of the spot but didn't find anything.

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

May be true. Like I said, she probably wasn't going to jail. And that the kid would say such a thing may be funny, I don't think American kids need more encouragement to subvert good values.

And before we go any further, there are some values that EVERYONE can get behind no matter your philosophy, mentality, religion or none, age, race, income or national origin.

Solid citizen. Soccer mom type. Cop never pulled his gun or anything. Just appeared to be a routine traffic stop. I looked on the web for a copy of the spot but didn't find anything.

Who decides what the "good values" are though? Maybe he was a really bright kid.
He's sitting there thinking to himself, "Wow, mom was driving the car with me in it and no insurance. If we had an accident and it was her fault, someone in the other car wouldn't have insurance to pay for the hospital unless they had uninsured motorist insurance. My mom is a very bad parent and person." !!!
Out loud, "Cool! Mom's going to jail!"
You assume he's just being a little brat, when it's clear he's looking out for his own safety as well as the safety of all motorists on the road.

The lesson here is to get uninsured motorist insurance.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by iLikebeer

Who decides what the "good values" are though? Maybe he was a really bright kid.
He's sitting there thinking to himself, "Wow, mom was driving the car with me in it and no insurance. If we had an accident and it was her fault, someone in the other car wouldn't have insurance to pay for the hospital unless they had uninsured motorist insurance. My mom is a very bad parent and person." !!!
Out loud, "Cool! Mom's going to jail!"
You assume he's just being a little brat, when it's clear he's looking out for his own safety as well as the safety of all motorists on the road.

The lesson here is to get uninsured motorist insurance.

There are NO responsible parents who want their children to advocate their going to jail.

If you are debating the theory of the brief synopsis I would say that without having seen it your point might be well taken.

Until you see for yourself you'll have to believe me that that wasn't the message that came across. And an American yout wouldn't see it that way, either.

Everyone should have at least the legal insurance minimums. However, that really has no bearing on this commercial.

And I appreciate the humor behind your post.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

But I'm not going there even though I'm sure she's worth every $5 trick she does.

Oh, I'm sure you know all about $5 tricks. A/S/L? LOL.

You're a total moral hypocrite *********. Doesn't surprise me though, you being an American conservative.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Oh, I'm sure you know all about $5 tricks. A/S/L? LOL.

You're a total moral hypocrite *********. Doesn't surprise me though, you being an American conservative.

When you sent me the advertisement I thought it was a joke until I saw some incriminating information which made it absolutely certain you were pimping your sister.

You are sick and evil.

And just because you are ONLY selling img's of her doesn't make it any less repugnant.

You are a punk. You are a sick, evil punk. You are a devious cheap, two-bit punk.

Interpol will be interested in knowing about you.

[moonmonkey]

Kronos, that pretty evil what your doing.
But 5$ is very competitive.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

And just because you are ONLY selling img's of her doesn't make it any less repugnant.

Hey, at least I give her a cut of off deal. That's probably a lot more than she'd get from 50+ old hack sceeming teh internet chatz for a desperate teenage lay.

A/S/L???????? Bwahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaa

TELL YOUR KIDS STEALING IS WRONG!!!!!!! AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT HERE'S MY ICQ #!!!!

[moonmonkey]

link please

[Cody Dawg]

I see another 40-page thread coming on.



I need coffee.

[Cody Dawg]

Oh! Forgot to say that I think that paying attention to commercials is actually good.

I worry about what my kids watch but never thought to pay attention to commercials.

But, my take on the commercial is positive: DRIVE WITH INSURANCE AND PROOF OF INSURANCE.

I'm sick and tired of hearing how this person or that person was hit by an uninsured motorist and now they have personal and vehicular damages and they have no recourse because the other driver didn't have insurance. I WISH those uninsured motorists would go to jail. I don't care if they're moms or Paris Hilton. LOCK 'EM UP.

[aberdeenwriter]

Here are the 6 values everyone can agree on no matter your age, race, gender, income, national origin, religion or spiritual belief system or if you have no spiritual belief system.

Just like religion, anyone who uses this as a guide shouldn't be thought of as being better than anyone else, but merely a student on the path trying to learn and to keep their eyes on the prize.

http://www.charactercounts.org/defsix.htm

Trustworthiness
Be honest • Don’t deceive, cheat or steal • Be reliable — do what you say you’ll do • Have the courage to do the right thing • Build a good reputation • Be loyal — stand by your family, friends and country

Respect
Treat others with respect; follow the Golden Rule • Be tolerant of differences • Use good manners, not bad language • Be considerate of the feelings of others • Don’t threaten, hit or hurt anyone • Deal peacefully with anger, insults and disagreements

Responsibility
Do what you are supposed to do • Persevere: keep on trying! • Always do your best • Use self-control • Be self-disciplined • Think before you act — consider the consequences • Be accountable for your choices

Fairness
Play by the rules • Take turns and share • Be open-minded; listen to others • Don’t take advantage of others • Don’t blame others carelessly

Caring
Be kind • Be compassionate and show you care • Express gratitude • Forgive others • Help people in need

Citizenship
Do your share to make your school and community better • Cooperate • Get involved in community affairs • Stay informed; vote • Be a good neighbor • Obey laws and rules • Respect authority • Protect the environment

[OldManMac]

Get over yourself, hypocrite. You talk about morals, and then you make a comment on pimping another member's sister. You're a trip!

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by KarlG

Get over yourself, hypocrite. You talk about morals, and then you make a comment on pimping another member's sister. You're a trip!

And how do you know it isn't the truth?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Shouldn't you be soliciting sex from minors on the intardweb or something...

Kron you know it's usually the ones that accuse, that are doing the deed.

Got something you want to tell us about? It would explain your "water tower" act in here.

BTW, go look up the word "dry humor"

Actually reading back through this thread, there are tons of over-reacting retards in here. Seriously people, go buy a clue.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

And how do you know it isn't the truth?

Because he's my sister!

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Kron you know it's usually the ones that accuse, that are doing the deed.

... it's usually the ones that accuse, that are doing the deed.

And now please STFU! Mmmmmkay?

Oh, and I wasn't >>accusing<< anybody of anything.

[Kevin]

Warung, your spaz level is set to 10, we'd like it back down to 4.

THX.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Warung, your spaz level is set to 10, we'd like it back down to 4.

THX.

Kevin, nobody cares what you think. And now please return to your life of boredom and insignificance. Jesus wants to be entertained.

THX.

[Kevin]

Kron, just because it goes to 11, doesn't mean you should set it there.

And my life is far from boring.

The fact that you want my life to be boring, says more about you than I.

Seek help before someone has to shoot you off a water tower.

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Here are the 6 values everyone can agree on no matter your age, race, gender, income, national origin, religion or spiritual belief system or if you have no spiritual belief system.

Just like religion, anyone who uses this as a guide shouldn't be thought of as being better than anyone else, but merely a student on the path trying to learn and to keep their eyes on the prize.

http://www.charactercounts.org/defsix.htm

Yes, those values are important. Although I will wager (is gambling a virtue? hah!) that there are many people who will follow these just as long as it is convenient for them, and when the first opportunity comes to gain an advantage by throwing them out the window, they'll do so. They may not even realize it, so they may consider themselves upstanding, virtuous citizens!

I think that instilling these values begins at home, when parents instill them in their children. But then the question comes up as to whether the media needs to reflect all these values, too. I say that, in general, the media has no responsability to any particular message. We should see people like this kid on TV, because we see them all the time out in the real world. As parents, we need to tell our kids that they are supposed to derive their values from their faith, friendships, and their overall sense of fair play, and not from the idiot box.

IMHO, raising children in an ideaological vacumn, where they are only ever exposed to ideas that reflect their values, prepares them just as poorly for the Real World as a kid to is raised by the TV. My daughter's only a little over a year old, though; we'll see what my opinion is in about... oh... 11 or 12 years!

[aberdeenwriter]

BTW, here's ANOTHER State Farm ad cited by a different poster, which is sending the wrong message except in warung's mush-mutt mind.

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lounge/285741/what-exactly-ad-trying-sell-me/

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And my life is far from boring.

Yes, that's why you have a gazillion posts on MacNN alone, and reply to every single fu<kin' post. I'm sure you get out a lot.

[moonmonkey]

Glass houses...

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

Glass houses...

Yeah.. and he doesn't even see it I bet.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

Glass houses...

Yeah, come back to me when I have about 1/100 of Zimpo's posts. Dumbass.

[Kevin]

And I was right

BTW, most of my posting happens between the hours of 7am and 5pm.

When I am at work. I am sorry I don't have strippers and a keg in my office to satisfy your "life" jones.

But if you ask me, those who go around hatefully attacking people on the internet come off more as having no life, than those with large posts counts that usually don't.

Why all the anger Warung? Do you not get enough attention at home?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Dork.

Yes, those values are important. Although I will wager (is gambling a virtue? hah!) that there are many people who will follow these just as long as it is convenient for them, and when the first opportunity comes to gain an advantage by throwing them out the window, they'll do so. They may not even realize it, so they may consider themselves upstanding, virtuous citizens!

I think that instilling these values begins at home, when parents instill them in their children. But then the question comes up as to whether the media needs to reflect all these values, too. I say that, in general, the media has no responsability to any particular message. We should see people like this kid on TV, because we see them all the time out in the real world. As parents, we need to tell our kids that they are supposed to derive their values from their faith, friendships, and their overall sense of fair play, and not from the idiot box.

IMHO, raising children in an ideaological vacumn, where they are only ever exposed to ideas that reflect their values, prepares them just as poorly for the Real World as a kid to is raised by the TV. My daughter's only a little over a year old, though; we'll see what my opinion is in about... oh... 11 or 12 years!

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

The thing I want everyone to recognize is the universality of that particular list of values. NO ONE can get upset with those. And so when we talk about values the first question, understandably is, "well, WHOSE values are you talking about adopting?"

These are going to get support in any community or culture and anyone who does a good job of living by these values will be accepted and welcomed anywhere. Anyone who raises their kids along these lines and the kids follow these guidelines in behavior will likely be successful human beings.

That was the most important thing about that list. It's universality.

And you are absolutely right. The media no longer has the responsibility to maintain a set of minimum values, what it does enforce are outer limits of behavior. And parents SHOULD be the ones to instill values. But how does it feel when you raise your kids one way and every other influence in their lives outside of the home is sending a DIFFERENT message?

Then, when you THINK you are able to take it easy at home watching TV (Law and Order on TNT) and a message reaches your child, "it's cool to wish Mom goes to jail." And it's ONLY A SEED I'll admit, but there are kids, young people not much older, not much more knowledgeable or experienced in psychology or child raising than many of us (dare I say even LESS SO in many instances) who are crafting subtle little messages that run counter to many of the universal values listed above and sending those messages to your kids by the hundreds every week.

Look at this:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=285741

Someone thinks that's funny and they are wrong. And it may be only one little pop up ad but how many other ads out there in adland are saying who knows what to your kids?

And the thing is, these ads are often being created by people whose ONLY qualifications besides a college degree is their ability to be creative. And their supervisors may be so impressed by their creativity that they are in awe of them and when the ad approval process is taking place sometimes you have people who lose sight of the ball or even drop it along the way and the results are not what any thinking, responsible person can be happy with.

I'm not saying censorship is good, but I am saying advertisers need to understand the trust they are given and not bow to the god of creativity at the expense of the next generation of impressionable youths which SOME of these copywriters and creatives don't much have expectation of ever dealing with except in the abstract.

I've had drugs. Booze. Women. Lots. I'm far from perfect. But I know what I'm talking about here.

When you walk down the street do you throw your garbage into a trash can or do you litter?

Chances are you look for a can. Did anyone directly make you do this? No, you just know it's better for all concerned.

We are fast approaching the day when ALL of us will be impressed with just exactly what power these subliminally impactful negative messages have on society.

And you'll see that evidenced in your own lives, your own homes.

It will be YOUR kids representing NOT what you tried to instill, but what young creative rainmakers have decided is ok or cool for your children to think, see, hear or repeat.

I hope I'm wrong, but I know I'm not.

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Yeah, come back to me when I have about 1/100 of Zimpo's posts. Dumbass.

Tell me what your username will be next week and I will try to remember to do that.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

Tell me what your username will be next week and I will try to remember to do that.

Even all my user names combined amount to maybe 1/10 of his posts. But nevermind. Keep on flaming.

/Are we almost on page 2 yet?

[andi*pandi]

the simplicity of it AB, is that the writers WANTED their audience to be appalled by the kid saying that, and WANTED their AUDIENCE--parents, grownups, those with INSURANCE--to be sure to carry their proof of insurance with them and save them the potential embarrassment of being in that situation in the first place. Kids are not the audience. What program were you watching when the ad aired? what time?

Not many state farm ads during cartoons or disney.

oh, but I'm sure that's not relevant.

hi kevin, cody, moonmonkey and kronos! nice weather we're having!

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

the simplicity of it AB, is that the writers WANTED their audience to be appalled by the kid saying that, and WANTED their AUDIENCE--parents, grownups, those with INSURANCE--to be sure to carry their proof of insurance with them and save them the potential embarrassment of being in that situation in the first place. Kids are not the audience. What program were you watching when the ad aired? what time?

Not many state farm ads during cartoons or disney.

oh, but I'm sure that's not relevant.

hi kevin, cody, moonmonkey and kronos! nice weather we're having!

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=285741

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Just saw a TV spot for (I think) State Farm Insurance. The pretty middle aged blonde mom is pulled over by a cop for presumably a traffic violation but doesn't have proof of insurance so she calls her agent who drives over and saves her from incarceration, again, presumably.

At a certain point when it looked bleakest, her kid in the back seat said, "Cool! Mom's going to jail!"

Bad message to send to American youth. It encourages family disloyalty and undermines parental authority.

Yes, it can be viewed humorously. No, she PROBABLY wouldn't have gone to jail. Yes, it would most likely have wound up being a mere inconvenience to her.

Yes, it sends the wrong message and reflects an unhealthy and corrosive point of view.

The American ad copywriters are being given the keys to drive home messages and because THEY are little sickos they are promoting THEIR sense of morality and coolness.

Wishing the worst for your parents is a cool thing it seems. It's in the same category as thinking putting Ben Gay in your mom's shoes would be funny. Not the end of the world. Just kidding. Kinda cool to see how she'd react. A new and different kind of entertainment for the terminally and continually bored and jaded.

Haha!

The ONLY way "American ad copywriters [can promote their] sense of morality and coolness" is if parents abdicate their sense of morality and don't responsibly monitor their children's TV viewing and don't responsibly inform their children about the messages the children receive via this television viewing. If a parent doesn't like the messages their children are receiving via television it is up to the parents to structure the messages their children receive via television.

[Kr0nos]

This thread is now about something that rhymes with "mutt checks".

[Cody Dawg]

I interpret the commercial as responsible and I DO have kids.

Hi andi*pandi...yes, the weather is nice even though it is gray and bleak and chilly here.

[Kevin]

[edit]

N/M said offending post was rightfully deleted.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

The ONLY way "American ad copywriters [can promote their] sense of morality and coolness" is if parents abdicate their sense of morality and don't responsibly monitor their children's TV viewing and don't responsibly inform their children about the messages the children receive via this television viewing. If a parent doesn't like the messages their children are receiving via television it is up to the parents to structure the messages their children receive via television.

You are right in that the parents are the ones who should do their jobs. And the majority do. But NO parent is perfect. Some things slip past their 'radar.' And what about the kids who DON'T even have averagely adequate parents? Not necessarily bad people, just ill equipped to perform the awesomely challenging job of preparing young human beings to become thinking, responsible, self assured, happy, healthy adults. You take their kids and messages like these are going to sprout in those kids like weeds.

And it is THOSE kids who you will see in the evening news in the perp walk or on a wanted poster. And hopefully you won't run into them personally. But you WILL have to pay for their prosecution and incarceration.

And what about the assault against a parent's values?

In the P/L we talk about things like tightening up the border to Mexico to help prevent illegal aliens and drugs and WMD's from coming across. But no one would ever object to Mexico doing what it could to stop the waves of illegals attempting to get through our boundary.

Parents can only do so much. Beyond a certain point they can be overwhelmed. What is the matter with everyone recognizing that you shouldn't litter the airwaves with unhealthy and unnecessary messages and self governing the way you practice self discipline in not throwing your McDonalds wrapper on the sidewalk?

The ad industry wouldn't (or shouldn't) do it because someone MADE them. It should be because they woke up and saw that it's not in our best interests to have streams of dozens or hundreds of unhealthy messages going into the heads and programming the brains of the people we are going to give the reigns of this country to in a very short number of years.

[Dakar]

Wow, version 3.0.

Dunno what's more depressing, the fact that it was created or the fact that it was responded to.

[iLikebeer]

Wow, i went to bed just a bit too early. Good thing I set the alarm for early to watch Olympic hockey!

Cody Dawg, I completely agree with the sending people to jail for driving without insurance. If my dad hadn't carried it, we would have been in debt for well over a million dollars for more than 35 surgeries over 2 years because the lady responsible didn't have insurance and then declared bankruptcy. 10 years in jail and no license for life should be the penalty for that. Zero tolerance.

I hope admen keep the offensive advertisements coming, as AW sure makes this place more "interesting" when he sees one.

[Cody Dawg]

I agree with you 100%.

I pay my car insurance (through Geico - which I love) and abide by the law.

Driving is a privilege and a responsibility if it is undertaken.

For some it is a necessity in life - for travel to and from employment - but it is still a privilege.

to those who don't carry insurance.

Especially for those who don't use their turn signals, pass illegally, drive slow in the fast lane, or have road rage ->

[wolfen]

aberdeen, at some point you've got to take the shortcut to the inevitable:

1) Every civilization since the dawn of man has one destination-- collapse.

2) This will continue until there's nothing left or God intervenes.


You're screaming "I think I see an iceberg" from the crow's nest, imagining that one of the passed-out-drunks on board is suddenly going to grab the wheel and turn the ship around.

Not...gonna....happen. People don't really care where the cruise ship is headed as long as they have a good time along the way. Stop trying to spoil their fun!

[TurboMac]

Man you guys went off on a tangent didn't you. When I saw this commercial I thought to myself - "Who the he!! is going to bring your proof of insurance to the scene of a pull over! I mean come on! Insurance people have nothing better to do. What did he print one up really fast and rush it to the scene? Come on. It's reddiculous to think that is actually going to happen. I can just see people trying to do this now that they have seen this commercial. You know what the insurance people are going to do: Laugh thier @sses off.

I guess since I don't have kids I didn't see the other points pointed out in this thread, but that is society today.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by wolfen

aberdeen, at some point you've got to take the shortcut to the inevitable:

1) Every civilization since the dawn of man has one destination-- collapse.

2) This will continue until there's nothing left or God intervenes.


You're screaming "I think I see an iceberg" from the crow's nest, imagining that one of the passed-out-drunks on board is suddenly going to grab the wheel and turn the ship around.

Not...gonna....happen. People don't really care where the cruise ship is headed as long as they have a good time along the way. Stop trying to spoil their fun!

You may be right but there are some things that are important enough to sacrifice for. If no one does anything about it then that would be their prerogative and serve as a display of what these issues mean to them.

And for me it will be likewise.

Wolfen, thanks for your concern and consideration. And though I know it might be seen by some as spoiling their fun, I'd say as long as I'm not breaking any rules they can say what they will as will I.

And maybe they shouldn't spoil my fun by complaining.