[aberdeenwriter]

THIS is what I've been talking about.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=45572

Exposé of the year: 'The Marketing of Evil'
'How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom'
Posted: August 2, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


One of the most anticipated books of the year – David Kupelian's blockbuster "The Marketing of Evil" – is now available at WorldNetDaily.


Already receiving wide and enthusiastic acclaim, the book, published by WND Books, is subtitled "How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom."

According to "The Marketing of Evil," Americans have come to tolerate, embrace and even champion many things that would have horrified their parents' generation – from easy divorce and unrestricted abortion-on-demand to extreme body piercing and teaching homosexuality to grade-schoolers. Does that mean today's Americans are inherently more morally confused and depraved than previous generations? Of course not, says veteran journalist David Kupelian. But they have fallen victim to some of the most stunningly brilliant and compelling marketing campaigns in modern history.

"The Marketing of Evil" reveals how much of what Americans once almost universally abhorred has been packaged, perfumed, gift-wrapped and sold to them as though it had great value. Highly skilled marketers, playing on our deeply felt national values of fairness, generosity and tolerance, have persuaded us to embrace as enlightened and noble that which all previous generations since America’s founding regarded as grossly self-destructive – in a word, evil.

In this groundbreaking and meticulously researched book, Kupelian peels back the veil of marketing-induced deception to reveal exactly when, where, how, and especially why Americans bought into the lies that now threaten the future of the country.

For example, few of us realize that the widely revered father of the "sexual revolution" has been irrefutably exposed as a full-fledged sexual psychopath who encouraged pedophilia. Or that giant corporations voraciously competing for America's $150 billion teen market routinely infiltrate young people's social groups to find out how better to lead children into ever more debauched forms of "authentic self-expression."

Likewise, most of us mistakenly believe the "abortion rights" and "gay rights" movements were spontaneous, grassroots uprisings of neglected or persecuted minorities wanting to breathe free. Few people realize America was actually "sold" on abortion thanks to an audacious public relations campaign that relied on fantastic lies and fabrications. Or that the "gay rights" movement – which transformed America's former view of homosexuals as self-destructive human beings into their current status as victims and cultural heroes – faithfully followed an in-depth, phased plan laid out by professional Harvard-trained marketers.

No quarter is given in this riveting, insightful exploration of how lies, both subtle and outrageous, are packaged as truth. From the federal government to the public school system to the news media to the hidden creators of "youth culture," nothing is exempt from the thousand-watt spotlight of Kupelian's journalistic inquiry.

In the end, "The Marketing of Evil" is an up-close, modern-day look at what is traditionally known as "temptation" – the art and science of making evil look good.



David Kupelian is the managing editor of WorldNetDaily.com, the world’s largest independent news Web site. He is also a popular WND columnist and the driving force behind the acclaimed monthly news magazine Whistleblower.

'Important and groundbreaking book'

Already, Kupelian's book is receiving high praise from his peers:

"David Kupelian dares to tell the truth about the overwhelming forces in our society which take us far away from our original American concept of freedom with responsibility, happiness with commitments, and traditional values. 'The Marketing of Evil' is a serious wake-up call for all who cherish traditional values, the innocence of children, and the very existence of our great country."
– DR. LAURA SCHLESSINGER, talk-show host and author

"It's often said that marketing is warfare, and in 'The Marketing of Evil,' David Kupelian clearly reveals the stunning strategies and tactics of persuasion employed by those engaged in an all-out war against America's Judeo-Christian culture. If you really want to understand the adversary's thinking and help turn the tide of battle, read this book!"
– DAVID LIMBAUGH, syndicated columnist and author

"David Kupelian's research brings into sharp focus what many have sensed and suspected for a long time: The effort to change America's mind on issues like abortion, homosexuality, church-state separation, and more, is a well-thought-out strategic campaign that uses the methods of Madison Avenue to market rank lies. But the good news is that the truth will eventually win out, and Kupelian's important and groundbreaking book makes enormous progress toward that end."
– D. JAMES KENNEDY, Coral Ridge Ministries

"Every parent in America needs to read this book. David Kupelian skillfully exposes the secular left's rotten apple peddlers in devastating detail. From pitching promiscuity as 'freedom' to promoting abortion as 'choice,' the marketers of evil are always selling you something destructive – with catastrophic results. Kupelian shines a light on them all. Now watch the cockroaches run for cover."
– MICHELLE MALKIN, Fox News Channel

"Over just a few years, life in America has become indescribably more squalid, expensive, and dangerous. Like the dazzling disclosures in the final page of a gripping whodunit or the fascinating revelation of a magician's secrets, 'The Marketing of Evil' irresistibly exposes how it was done. It will elicit an involuntary 'Aha!' from you as you discover who did it and your soul will soar with optimism as you discover the only way we can undo it. In years to come Americans will acknowledge a debt of gratitude to David Kupelian for his honesty, courage, and laser-like insight in this must-read book."
– RABBI DANIEL LAPIN, Toward Tradition

"Marketers are out to get America's youth, and they'll stop at nothing to do it. In 'The Marketing of Evil,' David Kupelian treats parents to a rare insider look at exactly how our children – and adults too – are being lied to, confused, and seduced by radicals and phony experts. The game's over, folks – the con men have been exposed. I urge every parent to read this eye-opening book."
– REBECCA HAGELIN, the Heritage Foundation

"Did you ever want to know – I mean really know – how and why America is being transformed from a unified, Judeo-Christian society into a divided, false, murky, neo-pagan culture? Even if you think you know the answers to those questions, in fact, especially if you think you know the answers, you must read David Kupelian's 'The Marketing of Evil.' So clearly does it expose the incredible con game to which Americans have been subjected that it offers real hope – because when our problems come this sharply into focus, so do the solutions."
– JOSEPH FARAH, WorldNetDaily

"Excellent! Simply excellent. If you want to solidify your Christian worldview – or just understand what the culture war is all about – you owe it yourself to read David Kupelian's 'The Marketing of Evil.'"
– DONALD E. WILDMON, American Family Association

[meelk]

award for most Cody-like post of the week.

[Dakar]

[Kr0nos]

Likewise, most of us mistakenly believe the "abortion rights" and "gay rights" movements were spontaneous, grassroots uprisings of neglected or persecuted minorities wanting to breathe free. Few people realize America was actually "sold" on abortion thanks to an audacious public relations campaign that relied on fantastic lies and fabrications. Or that the "gay rights" movement – which transformed America's former view of homosexuals as self-destructive human beings into their current status as victims and cultural heroes – faithfully followed an in-depth, phased plan laid out by professional Harvard-trained marketers.

[tie]

Funny funny post. Grab your tin foil hats!

"David Kupelian skillfully exposes the secular left's rotten apple peddlers in devastating detail. From pitching promiscuity as 'freedom' to promoting abortion as 'choice,' the marketers of evil are always selling you something destructive – with catastrophic results. Kupelian shines a light on them all. Now watch the cockroaches run for cover."
– MICHELLE MALKIN, Fox News Channel

[JoshuaZ]

God forbid that societies change over time, or opinions change over time, or that anyone actually look at the history of the world instead of reading total crap like this.

[- - e r i k - -]

Oh. My. God.

If you hadn't exposed yourself as a crazy-in-the-coconut conspiracy loon before, you certainly have now.

"That boy needs therapy"

[aberdeenwriter]

Here's a clue.

[Kevin]

aber you got to realize you are going to rattle the monkeys with this information, that has really been known for awhile.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Kevin

aber you got to realize you are going to rattle the monkeys with this information, that has really been known for awhile.

Oh, they can ignore me if they wish. Quite a few views to this thread but few posts. That's ok.

[Doofy]

This book probably has some valid points.
As a music industry professional I specialise in selling crap to people who don't really want to buy it but feel they must do so to remain cool with their peers. Selling social ideals to people ain't that different.

And I know for absolute fact that the lefties in this country engage in social engineering/steering to suit their own ends.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Oh. My. God.

If you hadn't exposed yourself as a crazy-in-the-coconut conspiracy loon before, you certainly have now.

"That boy needs therapy"

In other words, erik has nothing substantial to offer either pro or against the article. So he decided to get the ad-hominem pom poms out instead.

1 points for originality and -2 points for not shaving your legs while wearing a cheerleader skirt.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Doofy

This book probably has some valid points.
As a music industry professional I specialise in selling crap to people who don't really want to buy it but feel they must do so to remain cool with their peers. Selling social ideals to people ain't that different.

And I know for absolute fact that the lefties in this country engage in social engineering/steering to suit their own ends.

Impossible. They are to independent to be influenced by sales pitches. And to smart to be social engineered.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Kevin

aber you got to realize you are going to rattle the monkeys with this information, that has really been known for awhile.

I thought his views on such matters was 'dry humor.'

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Dakar

I thought his views on such matters was 'dry humor.'

Some of his comments was. This book and thread in particular is not.

And I agree fully.

One of the reasons I don't watch TV that much anymore.

They don't call it the boob tube for nothing.

Stop watching TV for about a year. Then go back to it. You'll see things in a different light.

[nath]

Originally Posted by Dakar

I thought his views on such matters was 'dry humor.'

No, he and Kevin are both very much convinced by the demented ramblings of 'worldnetdaily' and their ilk.

To be honest I can kind of see their point. Anyone with the balls to wear a moustache like this probably does have secret information on social change over the last 40 years...




The last quote is probably the best one:

If you want to solidify your Christian worldview – or just understand what the culture war is all about – you owe it yourself to read David Kupelian's 'The Marketing of Evil.'"
– DONALD E. WILDMON, American Family Association

My emphasis. Reinforcement therapy at its finest.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Some of his comments was. This book and thread in particular is not.

So basically he's discusses something he seriously believes in, but he can't be trusted to take it seriously for the duration of the discussion.

That may not make him a troll but it certainly makes him unreliable and unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Kevin

And I agree fully.

One of the reasons I don't watch TV that much anymore.

They don't call it the boob tube for nothing.

Stop watching TV for about a year. Then go back to it. You'll see things in a different light.

I pretty much stopped watching TV for 4 years while I was in college. I don't recall an epiphany once I started again.

[Dakar]

Oh, and yet another place where the term 'evil' is bandied about without regard. I wish I had four hands so I could give it four thumbs down.

[Doofy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/fabian/0,7368,426475,00.html

Third paragraph down:
"Transforming Britain conference"

This is the stuff they admit in public. Now tell me they're not actively seeking to mould social habits to suit their own agenda more extensively behind closed doors.

BTW, England banned smoking in bars earlier this week, despite next to nobody asking for it to be done. Social engineering right there.

[Oneota]

There was a time when America viewed black people as evil (or at the very least, inferior). Would you prefer that we go back to that, too?


Yeah, that's right. Societies change. Things that were once looked down upon aren't anymore. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Change ≠ Evil. Get over it.

[Mastrap]

Whatever happened to discussing your points without demonizing the opposition?

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Oneota

Change ≠ Evil. Get over it.

Well conservatives are opposed to change in general, evil or not.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Doofy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/fabian/0,7368,426475,00.html

Third paragraph down:
"Transforming Britain conference"

This is the stuff they admit in public. Now tell me they're not actively seeking to mould social habits to suit their own agenda more extensively behind closed doors.

BTW, England banned smoking in bars earlier this week, despite next to nobody asking for it to be done. Social engineering right there.

One of the things I've noticed just from posting here at MacNN is that the people who TELL you what you should or shouldn't do, ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION these people are libs/Dems/Fuzzies.

It's very interesting, I tell you.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Well conservatives are opposed to change in general, evil or not.

There is no such things as 'conservatives', at least not in the meaning of 'a large number of people with identical opinions'. There are, I bet, plenty of homosexual conservatives, tattooed conservatives and pierced conservatives.

[nath]

Originally Posted by Doofy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/fabian/0,7368,426475,00.html

Third paragraph down:
"Transforming Britain conference"

This is the stuff they admit in public. Now tell me they're not actively seeking to mould social habits to suit their own agenda more extensively behind closed doors.

Big deal. Only a few years ago we had Conservative politicians telling us we needed a return to Victorian social values. Politicians in wanting to change things SHOCKER!!

Originally Posted by Doofy

BTW, England banned smoking in bars earlier this week, despite next to nobody asking for it to be done. Social engineering right there.

Well, the governing party won a national election with that policy in their manifesto. That is generally the ways things are done in a democracy. Unless you have a better alternative?

This belongs in Pol/War...

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Doofy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/fabian/0,7368,426475,00.html

Third paragraph down:
"Transforming Britain conference"

This is the stuff they admit in public. Now tell me they're not actively seeking to mould social habits to suit their own agenda more extensively behind closed doors.

BTW, England banned smoking in bars earlier this week, despite next to nobody asking for it to be done. Social engineering right there.

Except of course that this ban was voted in in an open vote across all parties, including the Tories. And except that Scotland and Wales can make their own decisions. And except for the fact there is public approval for this move. And except for the fact that your link to The Fabian Society was from 2001 and I still didn't see any burning babies on the streets of London the last time I visited. Come on, surely you can do better than this.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by nath

No, he and Kevin are both very much convinced by the demented ramblings of 'worldnetdaily' and their ilk.

To be honest I can kind of see their point. Anyone with the balls to wear a moustache like this probably does have secret information on social change over the last 40 years...

The last quote is probably the best one:

My emphasis. Reinforcement therapy at its finest.

Ah, no substance, just ad-hominem attacks. Typical.

Originally Posted by Dakar

So basically he's discusses something he seriously believes in, but he can't be trusted to take it seriously for the duration of the discussion.

No, but that was a nice spin.

That may not make him a troll but it certainly makes him unreliable and unbelievable.

You will make him be what you want him to be, regardless of what he is.

I pretty much stopped watching TV for 4 years while I was in college. I don't recall an epiphany once I started again.

I am not surprised

Originally Posted by Doofy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/fabian/0,7368,426475,00.html

Third paragraph down:
"Transforming Britain conference"

This is the stuff they admit in public. Now tell me they're not actively seeking to mould social habits to suit their own agenda more extensively behind closed doors.

BTW, England banned smoking in bars earlier this week, despite next to nobody asking for it to be done. Social engineering right there.

But, But, But.....

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Oneota

There was a time when America viewed black people as evil (or at the very least, inferior). Would you prefer that we go back to that, too?

Yeah, that's right. Societies change. Things that were once looked down upon aren't anymore. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Change ≠ Evil. Get over it.

Wow, on the same token I could compare CHANGE with Nazi's total u-turn with Germany. But that would be trollish, so I wouldn't post such ramblings

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Except of course that this ban was voted in in an open vote across all parties, including the Tories. And except that Scotland and Wales can make their own decisions. And except for the fact there is public approval for this move. And except for the fact that your link to The Fabian Society was from 2001 and I still didn't see any burning babies on the streets of London the last time I visited. Come on, surely you can do better than this.

He was showing the INTENT or DESIRE for people to do this. And this book is talking about America. It does happen here.. and no one voted for it to happen here. And YES both sides do do it

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin

He was showing the INTENT or DESIRE for people to do this. And this book is talking about America. It does happen here.. and no one voted for it to happen here. And YES both sides do do it

Sigh. My comment was about Doofy talking about the smoking ban recently voted in in the UK and a Labour Party conference from 2001 and his, umm, highly personal portrayal of the truth to fit in with his own political agenda.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Wow, on the same token I could compare CHANGE with Nazi's total u-turn with Germany.

Can we have this post once more please, this time in English? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Oneota

There was a time when America viewed black people as evil (or at the very least, inferior). Would you prefer that we go back to that, too?


Yeah, that's right. Societies change. Things that were once looked down upon aren't anymore. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Change ≠ Evil. Get over it.

When you swap out your HD you don't just grab and yank whatever you feel like inside your Mac just because it feels good. Some things should change. Others should be left alone. Some things should be changed back to the way they were.

It's up to you to decide. Nobody is gonna force you to do anything or try to get you to do anything. You do what you want.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by nath

Well, the governing party won a national election with that policy in their manifesto.

No they didn't. The policy in their manifesto was for a partial ban (i.e. food serving places only), not a full ban. You know that as well as I do so lay off the BS.

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Except of course that this ban was voted in in an open vote across all parties, including the Tories. And except that Scotland and Wales can make their own decisions.

Strange how England never got a vote on smoking in Scotland and Wales yet Scotland and Wales got a vote on this English-only matter, no?
(Americans: This is like Alaska voting on something which affects only Colorado)

Originally Posted by Mastrap

And except for the fact there is public approval for this move.

No there isn't.

Originally Posted by Mastrap

And except for the fact that your link to The Fabian Society was from 2001.

Work your way up the page and you'll work your way along the timeline, up past 2005. The headline I quoted was for 2006 - you know, when Gordon pronounced that we should all be "proud to be British". The conference he said that at is the one I'm on about and the one mentioned there.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Sigh. My comment was about Doofy talking about the smoking ban recently voted in in the UK and a Labour Party conference from 2001 and his, umm, highly personal portrayal of the truth to fit in with his own political agenda.

Sorry Mas, you've been owned.
See post above, and read the linked page next time.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Can we have this post once more please, this time in English? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

Let me break it down for you

Wow, on the same token
Meaning in the same general idea
I could compare CHANGE
Comparing change with something.

with Nazi's total u-turn with Germany.
The way the Nazi's changed Germany.

Meaning he was givin a horrible incident to show how NOT changing is bad. And it was a trollish one.

I was just giving an EQUALLY trollish reason as to why change IS BAD!!

Not that I agree. I was just attempting to show him how his post was a bit absurd and trollish.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Well conservatives are opposed to change in general, evil or not.

Not so much that you'd be safe in generalizing that way. More like we have found what works and when you find what works you don't need or want to change.

Example.

If you have a wife or G/F and you are happy with her, what would you say to someone who said you should dump her and get another?

If you say, "NO" then you understand the conservative mindset. If it aint broke don't fix it.

If you say yes, then more power to you. But sometimes you have to lose what you had to really know what you had.

I feel America has lost a little of what we once had.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Example.

If you have a wife or G/F and you are happy with her, what would you say to someone who said you should dump her and get another?

If you say, "NO" then you understand the conservative mindset. If it aint broke don't fix it.

BINGO! Aber hits it on the nail.

Change for the sake of Change isn't always good.

And when conservatives DO change policies, it's usually not for the sake of "change"

or to "be progressive" or those other leftist hype words that they stamp on things to make it look as if their idea is the SMART and MODERN way of thinking.

Which is just more examples of what this thread is about.

[Kr0nos]

...how much of what Americans once almost universally abhorred has been packaged, perfumed, gift-wrapped and sold to them as though it had great value.

This almost sounds like a picturebook description of "Gitmo".

[Dakar]

Checklist




Kevin disagrees without telling you why you are wrong

Originally Posted by Kevin

No, but that was a nice spin.

Check




Kevin talks like Yoda.

Originally Posted by Kevin

You will make him be what you want him to be, regardless of what he is.

Check




Some type of 'mild' insult.

Originally Posted by Kevin

I am not surprised.

Check



You know, for once, I'm not going to get suckered into this long drawn out debate. I'll give you the last word, where I'll predict you'll act superior to me, perhaps using the laughing smiley (Or in the wake of the last statement, shower me with false pity, because I don't 'see' how things are).

The floor is yours.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Not so much that you'd be safe in generalizing that way. More like we have found what works and when you find what works you don't need or want to change.

Example.

If you have a wife or G/F and you are happy with her, what would you say to someone who said you should dump her and get another?

If you say, "NO" then you understand the conservative mindset. If it aint broke don't fix it.


If you say yes, then more power to you. But sometimes you have to lose what you had to really know what you had.

Risk vs. Reward

[Kevin]

Kevin disagrees without telling you why you are wrong
Check

You forget

"Dakar makes hateful projections that aren't worth refuting"

Kevin talks like Yoda.

That isn't how Yoda talks

You know, for once, I'm not going to get suckered into this long drawn out debate. I'll give you the last word, where I'll predict you'll act superior to me, perhaps using the laughing smiley (Or in the wake of the last statement, shower me with false pity, because I don't 'see' how things are).

The floor is yours.

And now Dakar plays the "innocent victim"

Well played.

[Oneota]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Meaning he was givin a horrible incident to show how NOT changing is bad. And it was a trollish one.

I was just giving an EQUALLY trollish reason as to why change IS BAD!!

Not that I agree. I was just attempting to show him how his post was a bit absurd and trollish.

I take exception to your calling my post trollish, and it wasn't a horrible example at all. Your original post was saying how societal norms are changing, and the author of the book considers that a bad thing.

I was pointing out another incident where societal norms changed, and it wasn't a bad thing. In both cases, the change involved how the majority viewed and reacted to a minority. In my example, how white people responded to black people; and in the book's example, how straight, non-peirced, "upstanding citizens" (for lack of a better term) view those who don't conduct themselves the same way (either by being gay, or having copious piercing, or being pro-choice, or whatever else the book seems to object to).

I've been at MacNN a long time, and have never been accused of being a troll before, and I certainly wasn't intending to be one now.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Oneota

I take exception to your calling my post trollish, and it wasn't a horrible example at all. Your original post was saying how societal norms are changing, and the author of the book considers that a bad thing.

No he isn't just saying they are changing. It's not the change that bothers him, as what they are CHANGING TO.

I was pointing out another incident where societal norms changed, and it wasn't a bad thing.

Just as I pointed out where social norms changed, and it WAS a bad thing. We both used the same method.

In both cases, the change involved how the majority viewed and reacted to a minority. In my example, how white people responded to black people; and in the book's example, how straight, non-peirced, "upstanding citizens" (for lack of a better term) view those who don't conduct themselves the same way (either by being gay, or having copious piercing, or being pro-choice, or whatever else the book seems to object to).

I've been at MacNN a long time, and have never been accused of being a troll before, and I certainly wasn't intending to be one now.

I didn't call you a troll. I said it was trollish. And it was. To compare this to racism is very trollish

Just like me comparing Change to Nazis was as well. That doesn't make me a troll. That just makes what I posted trollish.

The ironic part of your statement however is, It was a conservative republican that freed the slaves.

So much for them not liking change for the better.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Dakar

perceived Risk vs. perceived Reward

Suggested fix.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Change for the sake of Change isn't always good.

And when conservatives DO change policies, it's usually not for the sake of "change"

or to "be progressive" or those other leftist hype words that they stamp on things to make it look as if their idea is the SMART and MODERN way of thinking.

Bingo!

For the last eight years this leftist government in power here has been changing things left, right and centre just for the sake of it. To leave their mark, I guess.
And we're not just talking about changing anything relevant. I have it on good authority from some care home folks that the government changes the regulations on how far they can open a window in their care homes frequently - we're talking last month you can open it 2", this month 1.5", next month it's back to 2". This should alarm anyone who's read 1984 - it's a tactic to let the plebs know who's in charge and break/lessen their resistance to further less-palatable changes.

So anyways. They've changed everything for the sake of it. Made it look good with smoke and mirrors. And now the UK is on the verge of complete breakdown, financial and socially.

Bunch of morons, the lot of them.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Suggested fix.

It's life. There's very little we're certain of.

[aberdeenwriter]

And for the record, I agree with the principle of homosexual couples having rights and responsibilities as hetero couples. I just don't know what will happen two generations after we begin nationwide legally sanctioned gay unions. If it isn't producing what is best for America (AT THAT POINT IN TIME IN THE VIEW OF THOSE AMERICANS) how do you put the genie back in the bottle?

Abortion, I'm not going to get into here. This is all getting to be a bit to political for the peaceful main lounge.

[Dakar]

Well that's an interesting question: What's more important, what's fair for homosexuals or what (may or may not be) best for America?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Dakar

It's life. There's very little we're certain of.

But THAT'S the point! Conservatives have a great deal of certainty about certain things! Ever wonder why that is? It's not just a put on attitude, you know.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

But THAT'S the point! Conservatives have a great deal of certainty about certain things! Ever wonder why that is?

Because they're confident. Confidence does not beget veracity, however.