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Salty · Mar 1, 2006, 10:07 PM

I'm writing a paper for a class, my topic is gay marriage, and why the church should probably shut it's big mouth (I'm of course going to phrase it better). And I was just discussing my topic with another student and she asked if two gay people could raise a straight kid. My response was, I imagine so. I haven't really read any studies (no reason to). But I'm just wondering since MacNN has so many gay members and what not, are any of you raising any kids? Or do you know couples that are? Any who have raised kids all the way to the age where their sexuality is evident?

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 1, 2006, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

Any who have raised kids all the way to the age where their sexuality is evident?

Ask your parents when they figured you out.

icruise · Mar 1, 2006, 10:16 PM

Since almost all gay people have straight parents, it would stand to reason that the parents' sexual orientation doesn't determine their children's sexual orientation.

thesunisgone · Mar 1, 2006, 10:17 PM

Church or not, gay perverts should not be using marriage to legitimize or "normalize" their gay lives. You can't normalize what's abnormal. You can call me names, but I don't care and won't tolerate the gay.

davesimondotcom · Mar 1, 2006, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by thesunisgone

Church or not, gay perverts should not be using marriage to legitimize or "normalize" their gay lives. You can't normalize what's abnormal. You can call me names, but I don't care and won't tolerate the gay.

And here comes the intolerable flame war.

Seriously, folks, it's not like because my dad is a politician it's going to "rub off" on me and I'm going to be one.

My mom is a nurse and I can't stand the sight of blood.

Gay parents don't necessarily mean gay kids any more than straight parents meaning straight kids.

slugslugslug · Mar 1, 2006, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by thesunisgone

Church or not, gay perverts should not be using marriage to legitimize or "normalize" their gay lives. You can't normalize what's abnormal. You can call me names, but I don't care and won't tolerate the gay.

We're sitting here going over which names to call you, but there's just too many to choose from.

Seriously did you join MacNN just to be an asshole?

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 1, 2006, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by thesunisgone

Church or not, gay perverts should not be using marriage to legitimize or "normalize" their gay lives. You can't normalize what's abnormal. You can call me names, but I don't care and won't tolerate the gay.

Oh tolerate this ya hick.

Kevin · Mar 1, 2006, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

Ask your parents when they figured you out.

Was you beaten as a child? Abused? I just can't understand why you are so hateful and pissy all the time.

I honestly don't get it.

Anyhow, back on topic.

I know a Lesbian woman that had two girls. Both of them too have switched hit (They claim they grew up around it etc) but now both are married with kids.

Not that I don't think if the chance came up again..

Mostly the one gal said she would go with whichever one benefitted her most. So basically she is pretty self centered.

davesimondotcom · Mar 1, 2006, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

I know a Lesbian woman that had two girls. Both of them too have switched hit (They claim they grew up around it etc) but now both are married with kids.

With VERY happy husbands...

Corpse of Chewbacca · Mar 1, 2006, 11:01 PM

It stands to reason that since both parents aren't the BIOLOGICAL parents, and since it has not been convincingly proven that homosexuality is genetically based, it stands to reason that both parents don't have complete influence over the sexual orientation of their child.

I think it stands to reason.

Sincerely,
A firm supporter of the rights of gay marriage and lifestyle

Wiskedjak · Mar 1, 2006, 11:02 PM

I suspect if straight parents can raise a gay child, that it stands to reason gay parents can raise a straight child.

This goes straight to the question of whether or not homosexuality is product of nature or nurture. Which raises the question, if a child raised by gay parents will end up gay, what is wrong with the straight parents that their child ended up gay?

BRussell · Mar 1, 2006, 11:39 PM

The American Psychological Association has written a number of advisory papers in court cases about gay parenting. They're pretty good because they summarize the research and have lots of citations.

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 1, 2006, 11:43 PM

Last study I saw showed that kids of gay parents were MORE well rounded and open minded. Go figure.

TETENAL · Mar 2, 2006, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

Gay parents don't necessarily mean gay kids any more than straight parents meaning straight kids.

Ask RAILhead. He maintains that straight parents mean straight kids.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...80#post2540880

Chuckit · Mar 2, 2006, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Ask RAILhead. He maintains that straight parents mean straight kids.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...80#post2540880

That's not exactly what he's saying in that post. He's saying that he thinks sexuality is a choice rather than an instinct, so if he instills a hatred of homosexuality in his children, they won't do it. It's not really relevant to the thread anyway, though, since it's not an example of what Salty was asking for (nor is Maury an expert on the matter).

qnxde · Mar 2, 2006, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

He's saying that he thinks sexuality is a choice rather than an instinct, so if he instills a hatred of homosexuality in his children, they won't do it.

What a horrible, horrible thing to do. No wonder there are so many gay suicides.

Kevin · Mar 2, 2006, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

With VERY happy husbands...

You've never seen these gals.

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

Last study I saw showed that kids of gay parents were MORE well rounded and open minded. Go figure.

That's a generic statement that could mean anything. One persons well rounded and open minded is another person's idiocy.

Originally Posted by qnxde

What a horrible, horrible thing to do. No wonder there are so many gay suicides.

Good thing Chuckit is being dishonest. Well not really a good thing for Chuckit, but for Doof.

What Doofy really said.

if someone in my family was homosexual, I'd be against it just as I am and always have been. Does that mean I hate them? Of course not.

Why Chuckit felt the need to project hatred into Doofy's beliefs is beyond me.

11011001 · Mar 2, 2006, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by thesunisgone

Church or not, gay perverts should not be using marriage to legitimize or "normalize" their gay lives. You can't normalize what's abnormal. You can call me names, but I don't care and won't tolerate the gay.

This doesn't have to be a flamewar, because you instantly made my ignore list.

analogika · Mar 2, 2006, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Good thing Chuckit is being dishonest. Well not really a good thing for Chuckit, but for Doof.

What Doofy really said.

Why Chuckit felt the need to project hatred into Doofy's beliefs is beyond me.

Doofy != Maury

tooki · Mar 2, 2006, 07:41 AM

From what I've heard, gay parents don't have gay kids at any higher rate than straight parents.

What you will find, though, is that if gay parents have a gay kid, he's more likely to come out to them sooner, since there is no fear of repercussions.

Another thing to consider is that few (any?) gay couples end up with kids by accident (something that happens all the time with straight families). As such, they tend to be extremely dedicated parents that raise their kids well. And it's a good thing, because kids of gay parents are often subject to ridicule at school, unfortunately.

tooki

Kevin · Mar 2, 2006, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Doofy != Maury

Correct, my bad But he didn't say that either..

So point still stands.

Mastrap · Mar 2, 2006, 07:44 AM

The sexuality of adopting parents has little, if anything, to do with the sexuality of the adopted child.

I didn't make a choice to be heterosexual, from talking to gay friends I know that they didn't make a choice to be gay.

forkies · Mar 2, 2006, 08:19 AM

debate over sexuality is really starting to become tiresome. what's the point anymore? people are the way they are, deal.

slugslugslug · Mar 2, 2006, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Correct, my bad But he didn't say that either..

So point still stands.

Well, he does deserve the teeniest bit of credit for explicitly forswearing hatred. But what he said was still mind-blowingly stupid.

Tooki, I wish I had bookmarked that one post where I remember you saying something unambiguously wrong, 'cause goldangit, you're right on the money again. It's getting tiresome.

Chuckit · Mar 2, 2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Good thing Chuckit is being dishonest. Well not really a good thing for Chuckit, but for [Maury].

What [Maury] really said.

Why Chuckit felt the need to project hatred into [Maury]'s beliefs is beyond me.

So…why does he think they won't be gay, then? Because it really looks to me like his logic went like this:

- Homosexuality is a choice, not a natural orientation
- I'll teach my children to be averse to homosexuality
- People don't do things they don't want to do
-- My children won't be gay

If you'd like to explain to me your interpretation of his post wherein he's teaching his children that homosexuality is an acceptable behavior, I'd be very interested to hear, because I really don't see that at all. And what about their upbringing would "bother them" when they turn out to be homosexual if he hasn't trying to turn their minds against the idea?

turtle777 · Mar 2, 2006, 11:10 AM

Where the heck is SWG ?

IBCR.

-t

Binarymix · Mar 2, 2006, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by thesunisgone

Church or not, gay perverts should not be using marriage to legitimize or "normalize" their gay lives. You can't normalize what's abnormal. You can call me names, but I don't care and won't tolerate the gay.

I love you. Wanna ****?

ort888 · Mar 2, 2006, 11:45 AM

Two of my friends have gay parents. In both cases the parents got married, had kids and later realized they were living a lie. At any rate, all of their children are straight.

This post is pretty silly. I still don't understand the fixation on gay people. Who cares if people are gay? Why is America so obsessed with it?

goMac · Mar 2, 2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Salty

I'm writing a paper for a class, my topic is gay marriage, and why the church should probably shut it's big mouth (I'm of course going to phrase it better). And I was just discussing my topic with another student and she asked if two gay people could raise a straight kid...

Where do you find these girls?

I actually dated a girl who's father was gay. So the answer would be yes.

RAILhead · Mar 2, 2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by thesunisgone

... won't tolerate the gay.

It's TEH GHEY. Get it straight (or ghey).

RAILhead · Mar 2, 2006, 11:52 AM

Oh yeah:

Rumor · Mar 2, 2006, 11:57 AM

My father is gay. He's been with his husband for 15 or 16 years. There was three of us kids and two of us turned out "straight", while the other....well he's not "gay" per se. He just will do whatever it takes to get what ever he wants. Drug addictions will do that. Anyhow, that could just as well be from his mother. So I'm standing proof that gay parents do not always make gay children.

turtle777 · Mar 2, 2006, 12:00 PM

-t

forkies · Mar 2, 2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

Why is America so obsessed with it?

i think it's because so many people are unhappy with their own lives that they start to dictate the lives of others. i mean, what pisses off an insecure person more than seeing someone who is secure.

rparke1 · Mar 2, 2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by slugslugslug

We're sitting here going over which names to call you, but there's just too many to choose from.

Seriously did you join MacNN just to be an asshole?

qouted for empasis ®

Dark Helmet · Mar 2, 2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by forkies

i think it's because so many people are unhappy with their own lives that they start to dictate the lives of others. i mean, what pisses off an insecure person more than seeing someone who is secure.

Certainly explains some members addiction to me

d4nth3m4n · Mar 2, 2006, 01:37 PM

i know a ton of them. there's a large gay community here. there's kind of a revolt that all children have against their parents. i see the lineage kinda like this-

hippies breed punks who breed lawyers who breed hippies and on and on.

one friend of mine, who now works for proctor and gamble was raised on a commune with his natural food store owning mother and a slue of other "alternative" types. needless to say that he and his mother have some philosophical issues.

same kinda thing i'd imagine going on with the straight kids who were raised by gay couples.

forkies · Mar 2, 2006, 01:46 PM

Oh yeah:

turtle777 · Mar 2, 2006, 01:52 PM

-t

Salty · Mar 2, 2006, 03:44 PM

OK so about 2/3rds of the way down I finally got a few answers that were helpful. Thanks to the people who can actually reply with useful info.

turtle777 · Mar 2, 2006, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

OK so about 2/3rds of the way down I finally got a few answers that were helpful. Thanks to the people who can actually reply with useful info.

You are welcome.

Uhm, no, wait, I wasn't useful...

-t

sek929 · Mar 2, 2006, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

OK so about 2/3rds of the way down I finally got a few answers that were helpful. Thanks to the people who can actually reply with useful info.

I find it comical that this problem still manages to surprise you.

Salty · Mar 2, 2006, 04:14 PM

I'm not surprised, though it is annoying.

Ozmodiar · Mar 2, 2006, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by slugslugslug

Tooki, I wish I had bookmarked that one post where I remember you saying something unambiguously wrong, 'cause goldangit, you're right on the money again. It's getting tiresome.

It was the thread about fluoride.

forkies · Mar 2, 2006, 04:20 PM

holy ****, i just realized that slugslugslug complained about something he finds "tiresome" in the post just after mine. weird

Eug Wanker · Mar 2, 2006, 04:21 PM

Yeah, one gay person I work with has a straight teenage daughter. Smart and nice kid. I once went to a party of his though where both his partner and his ex-wife attended. That was a bit awkward... but probably less awkward than the times where a wife of someone and his ex-wife are both present.

Now the other issue... The three gay people I know from work all own Macs. Hmmm...

P.S. Does this qualify for "Wrong Forum™"?

Kevin · Mar 2, 2006, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Certainly explains some members addiction to me

No one has any addiction to you. You go around and act all hateful to people in the forum, so they dislike you. And treat you as much.

This isn't a good thing on your end.