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Kr0nos · 07:16 AM

Due to the fact I work in a field that a lot of women work in as well, I have noticed it is really weird to be competing for a job with somebody you find attractive or maybe even "like".

It's like "yeah, I really think she's hot but I have to kick her ass to get this job I want...". I mean you still want to kick her butt...just in a different way.

Anybody else feel like this (at times)?

moonmonkey · Mar 10, 2006, 06:44 AM

What job do you do?

Super Mario · Mar 10, 2006, 07:05 AM

I am a chef so have no problem with that. Most chefs are men because women in general these days can't make anything more than a salad.

Kr0nos · Mar 10, 2006, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

What job do you do?

DTP, some web design, layout stuff…

Kr0nos · Mar 10, 2006, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Most chefs are men because women in general these days can't make anything more than a salad.

I've heard some of them are pretty good at tossing the salad as well. *g*

*SCNR*

Kevin · Mar 10, 2006, 07:13 AM

turtle777 · Mar 10, 2006, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

I am a chef so have no problem with that. Most chefs are men because women in general these days can't make anything more than a salad.

If I said that, it be called sexist.
But for you, as a chef, it's a PROFESSIONAL OPINION

-t

SirCastor · Mar 10, 2006, 10:28 AM

There are more women than jobs. take the job, then get a woman.

jamil5454 · Mar 10, 2006, 10:37 AM

Just had a 2+ hour conversation with one of my women friends about this last night:

Women are getting paid less than men... it must be because of discrimination!

Well, if a man can do a job better, he deserves to be paid more. And vice-versa. But this discrimination had to come from somewhere, have some precedence.

Then we rambled on and got nowhere. In the end I was getting the impression she was pitying herself and other women because they get paid less. She needed to find an excuse for it.

Man that really comes across as sexist, but there are just some things a man excels at and some things a woman excels at.

turtle777 · Mar 10, 2006, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by jamil5454

Man that really comes across as sexist, but there are just some things a man excels at and some things a woman excels at.

What's sexist about it ?

If an advantage can be truly attributed to gender, it don't see how it is sexist.

-t

Dakar · Mar 10, 2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by jamil5454

Women are getting paid less than men... it must be because of discrimination!

It is if they both hold the same position.

Super Mario · Mar 10, 2006, 11:20 AM

Many women and gays these days are vicious towards us heterosexuals to the point of making us feel irrelevant so men stand up for yourselves. The new political correctness hates us the same way some crazies hate gays and blacks etc

Super Mario · Mar 10, 2006, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

If I said that, it be called sexist.
But for you, as a chef, it's a PROFESSIONAL OPINION

-t

And if Gordon Ramsey says it then he RULES!!!!!!!!!

Stradlater · Mar 10, 2006, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

If an advantage can be truly attributed to gender, it don't see how it is sexist.

Gender usually refers to the social order of things, not the biological. "Sex" would be the preferred term here.

Corpse of Chewbacca · Mar 10, 2006, 11:40 AM

jamil5454 · Mar 10, 2006, 11:47 AM

Biologically, males tend to excel at some things, and women tend to excel at others. For example, it is commonly believed that the average man is better at visual-spatial thinking than the average woman, and the average woman is better at negotiation and language skills than the average man. How much of this is learned and how much is due to biology is unknown. But there must have been some precedence in our ancient human history that developed us like this ("evolution"), and hence the reason society is like this today. Plain and simply, a man is more likely to succeed in science while a woman is more likely to succeed in mass communication (teachers, negotiators, etc). Of course there are exceptions and I'm not saying a woman shouldn't be a scientist and a man shouldn't be a teacher. This doesn't make one superior to the other -- they are both equally important.

But what really gets me is the women (and men!) that like to think we're "equal" and so they view every difference as a an inferiority. We are equal but undeniably differenct. Since we're all homo sapiens, the commonalities strongly outweigh our differences, but I like to embrace these differences; it's really what makes life interesting for me.

Anyone catch my drift? I got 3 hours of sleep last night so I'm more or less rambling...

Dakar · Mar 10, 2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by jamil5454

We are equal but undeniably differenct.

I agree, but what jobs are women making more money then men on (not counting things where such things as beauty might be a factor)?

SirCastor · Mar 10, 2006, 12:07 PM

There's a Hebrew term "ezer kenegdo" which has a lot of translations (helpmeet, counterpart) but my favorite is "Equal but opposite"

I prefer to argue that the most suitable candidate should get a job. It bothers me that a woman (or any minority) can get a job over me (WASP.... BTW, is that a negative term?) simply because they are a minority. They may not posses as great a skill, or be as well qualified, but there are laws to protect their interests.

OTOH, I can't deny that there are still corporations/groups/peoples that tend to lean on biases and aren't giving full consideration to a group that no doubt has as much potential as any other person. In most any field a woman is capable of accomplishing the same as a man.

I wish that people were entirely fair (as well as entirely forgiving... sorry, side thought) but they aren't so what are we to do? I don't have the answer.

angelmb · Mar 10, 2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I agree, but what jobs are women making more money then men on (not counting things where such things as beauty might be a factor)?

found this…

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/comm...able/index.htm

boots · Mar 10, 2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

What's sexist about it ?

If an advantage can be truly attributed to gender, it don't see how it is sexist.

-t

Oh, it's still sexist. The difference is in the sex of the individual. The question really is: Is sexism always bad?

Discuss.

Dakar · Mar 10, 2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

found this…

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/comm...able/index.htm

Good find. Legislators seems like an odd pick.

Of course the follow up question is, what % of jobs is this?

Super Mario · Mar 10, 2006, 01:23 PM

wdlove · Mar 10, 2006, 01:32 PM

Being a Registered Nurse, I have worked with woman all of my career. Never any problems. Never a matter of taking a job away from another. It was career advancement because of my own proficiency,

turtle777 · Mar 10, 2006, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by boots

Oh, it's still sexist. The difference is in the sex of the individual. .

Wrong. You have a wrong definition of sexism in mind.

sex·ism (sĕk'sĭz'əm) pronunciation, n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

Merely pointing out differences (like men have dicks, women have tits) is NOT sexism, because it's not discrimination.

Except if you are Loretta, then all bets are off.

-t

Cody Dawg · Mar 10, 2006, 02:17 PM

Super Mario:

Your picture was designed by a man obviously.

And that man is a moron:

"Be quite during the game?"

Only a man would have to describe things with PICTURES because it's obvious that men cannot spell. That's also why Denny's (restaurant) is frequented mostly by men: They can point at the picture of the food on the menu and don't have to read.

ort888 · Mar 10, 2006, 02:21 PM

90% of the employees at my company are big breasted hot women in their mid 20s. Why? Because my bosses are pigs, that's why.

Part of me finds it pretty disgusting and the other part of me finds it pretty darn nice. It's quite the moral quandary.

turtle777 · Mar 10, 2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

90% of the employees at my company are big breasted hot women in their mid 20s. Why? Because my bosses are pigs, that's why.

You don't happen to work for Hugh, are you ?

Seriously, what do you do ?

-t

Kr0nos · Mar 10, 2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

90% of the employees at my company are big breasted hot women in their mid 20s. Why?

Because you work in the porn industry?

turtle777 · Mar 10, 2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Your picture was designed by a man obviously.
And that man is a moron:
"Be quite during the game?"

Wrong conclusion.

It is propaganda from the leftist women's movement.

-t

Dakar · Mar 10, 2006, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

"Be quite during the game?"

Only a man would have to describe things with PICTURES because it's obvious that men cannot spell.

Men can spell just fine. He's just not used to typing, that's what his secretary is for.

jamil5454 · Mar 10, 2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Only a man would have to describe things with PICTURES because it's obvious that men cannot spell.

This is generally true. Women, on average, tend to be better spellers than men.

ort888 · Mar 10, 2006, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

You don't happen to work for Hugh, are you ?

Seriously, what do you do ?

-t

I'm a designer at a small ad agency. the owners just like to hire young girls right out of college because they are cheap. I'm not kidding though. While they have improved a little bit in this area, there was a time when I was working with ten to fifteen 25ish-year olds chicks all of who would be considered an 8 or above. This is in a company of 35 people. Not including the owners, we currently have 5 male employees.

My bosses are just very predictable. Of course, I'm very happily married so it doesn't really matter. Still, it does make the workday a little more tolerable.

Binarymix · Mar 10, 2006, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Only a man would have to describe things with PICTURES because it's obvious that men cannot spell. That's also why Denny's (restaurant) is frequented mostly by men: They can point at the picture of the food on the menu and don't have to read.

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

CODY DAWG HAS BIGOTED OPINIONS OF MEN TOO!!!!

turtle777 · Mar 10, 2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Binarymix

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

CODY DAWG HAS BIGOTED OPINIONS OF MEN TOO!!!!

-t

Binarymix · Mar 10, 2006, 03:05 PM

<edit>

Stop The Presses!!!!!

Newsflash!!!!!

Cody Dawg Has Bigoted Opinions Of All Men Gay Or Not!!!!

</edit>

Cody Dawg · Mar 10, 2006, 03:14 PM

What is very amusing to me is that you pay SO much attention to everything that I say.

And I'm a woman.

mrmister · Mar 10, 2006, 03:22 PM

You really do read like a circle of sad-sack men who've never been laid and hence don't understand relations with women, let alone sexism. There is a staggering amount of stupidity in this thread.

Binarymix · Mar 10, 2006, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

What is very amusing to me is that you pay SO much attention to everything that I say.

And I'm a woman.

I love women. Figuratively of course.

turtle777 · Mar 10, 2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by mrmister

You really do read like a circle of sad-sack men who've never been laid and hence don't understand relations with women, let alone sexism. There is a staggering amount of stupidity in this thread.

What's your point ?

-t

Cody Dawg · Mar 10, 2006, 03:43 PM

You really do read like a circle of sad-sack men who've never been laid and hence don't understand relations with women, let alone sexism. There is a staggering amount of stupidity in this thread.

Now THAT is a sexy guy.

Kevin · Mar 10, 2006, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Binarymix

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!

NEWSFLASH!!!!!

CODY DAWG HAS BIGOTED OPINIONS OF MEN TOO!!!!

Or she was just ribbing...

moonmonkey · Mar 10, 2006, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by jamil5454

This is generally true. Women, on average, tend to be better spellers than men.

Women are also (in General) better at multitasking, while men like to set goals and concentrate on them alone.

Mastrap · Mar 10, 2006, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

I'm a designer at a small ad agency. the owners just like to hire young girls right out of college because they are cheap. I'm not kidding though. While they have improved a little bit in this area, there was a time when I was working with ten to fifteen 25ish-year olds chicks all of who would be considered an 8 or above. This is in a company of 35 people. Not including the owners, we currently have 5 male employees.

You make this sound like a bad thing....

nonhuman · Mar 10, 2006, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

I'm a designer at a small ad agency. the owners just like to hire young girls right out of college because they are cheap. I'm not kidding though. While they have improved a little bit in this area, there was a time when I was working with ten to fifteen 25ish-year olds chicks all of who would be considered an 8 or above. This is in a company of 35 people. Not including the owners, we currently have 5 male employees.

My bosses are just very predictable. Of course, I'm very happily married so it doesn't really matter. Still, it does make the workday a little more tolerable.

Yeah, I work at a PR firm. Same deal, the industry is dominated by women. 17 offices around the world full of hot chicks.

It kicks ass.

Kevin · Mar 10, 2006, 07:33 PM

Yes my office is full of hot chicks as well. No complaints.

Cept from my girlfriend.

wdlove · Mar 10, 2006, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

What is very amusing to me is that you pay SO much attention to everything that I say.

And I'm a woman.

Hi Cody,

You are my best friend. A very smart lady, that I'm very proud to know.

DCapple · Mar 10, 2006, 07:57 PM

Women are also (in General) better at multitasking, while men like to set goals and concentrate on them alone.

I agree! I have to add women are more organize and systematic in terms of work i would know im speaking base from my experience...

boots · Mar 11, 2006, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Wrong. You have a wrong definition of sexism in mind.

sex·ism (sĕk'sĭz'əm) pronunciation, n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

Merely pointing out differences (like men have dicks, women have tits) is NOT sexism, because it's not discrimination.

Except if you are Loretta, then all bets are off.

-t

I know that, silly.

We weren't pointing out that women don't have penises, though. I was saying that someone making hiring decisions, etc, based on gender because there are differences associated with gender IS sexism. Even if "an advantage can be truly attributed to gender." You are still "discriminating" based on traits associated with a gender.

My point was that this is not necessarily a bad thing.

And don't oppress me because I want to have babies!