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Mar 13, 2006, 10:23 AM
 
Link.

So, are you going to rush out and buy tuna and powdered milk like he says?

I'm not. Yet.

But I find it interesting that he's making this kind of statement about the seriousness of it.

     
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Mar 13, 2006, 10:28 AM
 
If I have a microwave and a place to hook up mah computer... living in a bunker won't be much different than my living room.
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Mar 13, 2006, 10:47 AM
 
The flu season is almost over, so I guess we should be really scare now.
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 11:02 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
So, are you going to rush out and buy tuna and powdered milk like he says?
I don't eat tuna (being veggie and all). And live next door to a herd of dairy cows (for the time being).
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Mar 13, 2006, 11:17 AM
 


"Well right now we are advising our clients to put all they can into canned food and shotguns. "



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Mar 13, 2006, 11:22 AM
 
This seams just to be giant scare mongering in the USA. Has there been a single case found, even in wild birds over there yet?
The nearest poltery case to us is in mid France, and there have has been the odd wild foul found with it here. sSeams to have died down a bit, at least on the news.
There hasn't been any sort of paniky advice here about 'stocking up', And still the only humans to have cought it are ones who have had prolonged exposure to infected birds. No human to human transmision yet.
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 11:28 AM
 
that's the key. It's not human-to-human yet.
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Mar 13, 2006, 12:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani


"Well right now we are advising our clients to put all they can into canned food and shotguns. "
Bwahahaha! I LOVE that movie!
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Mar 13, 2006, 12:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
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So, are you going to rush out and buy tuna and powdered milk like he says?

I'm not. Yet.

But I find it interesting that he's making this kind of statement about the seriousness of it.

How the f*ck is storing canned tuna and powdered milk under your bed going to help the bird flu???
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 12:53 PM
 
Since I can't digest milk what do I get? Will soymilk keep the birdflu at bay as well?
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 12:59 PM
 
Tuna? Mercury poisoning. Powdered milk? Damn, I sold my powdered cow 2 years ago.

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Mar 13, 2006, 01:00 PM
 
You are more likely to be struck by lightning as compared to getting this as it stands now. Until something changes... I'm not getting freaked out.
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 01:02 PM
 
This stuff cracks me up. Maybe I'd feel more nervous if I lived in an urban area, but even then, It reminds me of when they were telling everybody to buy duct tape and plastic wrap. Just giving people something to do.

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Mar 13, 2006, 01:13 PM
 
Idiotic scare-mongering. Of course poultry farmers need to be prepared, but as long as this is not human to human we have little to worry about.
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 01:21 PM
 
My god, 5 people in the entire planet have died from avian flu. It's a f*cking epidemic.
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Mar 13, 2006, 01:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by Monique
The flu season is almost over, so I guess we should be really scare now.
wow, you are indeed completely uninformed arent you?
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 01:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon
My god, 5 people in the entire planet have died from avian flu. It's a f*cking epidemic.
more than 100 have died recently. I dont know what you people have a hard time grasping. The worry is that the flu mutates and becomes transmissible between humans, which leads immediately into another 1918 pandemic scenerio.

Lets say we follow 1918 and 20% of the planet becomes infected.
6.5 billion people on the planet:
20% of that is
1.3 billion
in the 1918 numbers they think 2% to 5% of infected people died
ok, so lets play conservative and go with oh.. a 2.5% death rate.

2.5% of 1.3 billion people is 32,500,000.

So, you arent concerned with the very realistic prospect of over 32 MILLION people dying?
You should be.
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 02:02 PM
 
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Mar 13, 2006, 02:15 PM
 
Originally Posted by meelk
more than 100 have died recently. I dont know what you people have a hard time grasping. The worry is that the flu mutates and becomes transmissible between humans, which leads immediately into another 1918 pandemic scenerio.

Lets say we follow 1918 and 20% of the planet becomes infected.
6.5 billion people on the planet:
20% of that is
1.3 billion
in the 1918 numbers they think 2% to 5% of infected people died
ok, so lets play conservative and go with oh.. a 2.5% death rate.

2.5% of 1.3 billion people is 32,500,000.

So, you arent concerned with the very realistic prospect of over 32 MILLION people dying?
You should be.

All of the above is only correct if, and it's a big if, the flu mutates and if we're not successful in quarantining it. As medical technology has made huge steps forward in the last 100 years I suspect that you can hardly call 2.5% conservative.

They had no anti viral treatments to speak of - hell they didn't even have anti bacterial drugs worth that name yet.

Just because it's a worry that the flu mutates I won't fill the house with tinned tuna. 'You people' indeed.
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 02:18 PM
 
If is not a certainty. Bring me the news when you are 100% certain that there is an epidemic somewhere. 100 people is sad but hardly an epidemic.
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 02:29 PM
 
Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
This stuff cracks me up. Maybe I'd feel more nervous if I lived in an urban area, but even then, It reminds me of when they were telling everybody to buy duct tape and plastic wrap. Just giving people something to do.
Yeah I remember that

There was even a thread by a concerned member about it!

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lounge/145629/terror-alert-sounds-pretty-damn-real/

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Mar 13, 2006, 07:01 PM
 
At this point I agree with you Cody. Not making any special plans.

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Mar 13, 2006, 07:06 PM
 
Of course, if we weren't warned like this, we'd all be criticizing the Government for not warning us...
     
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Mar 13, 2006, 07:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by BlueSky
Tuna? Mercury poisoning. Powdered milk? Damn, I sold my powdered cow 2 years ago.
That's okay, I still have the powder, and I'll work on putting it back together this week!

More FUD, which is obviously readily believed by those with an obsessive need to fear something.
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Mar 15, 2006, 10:08 PM
 
What we ACTUALLY have to fear is the tuna that he told us to stock up on, right?

Isn't it full of killer levels of mercury? We should eat it for three months he says?



And, anyway, does the health secretary that proclaimed hysteria in an imaginary (as yet) bird flu own stock in tuna and powdered milk?

Shouldn't we stock up on canned CHICKEN too?

     
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Mar 15, 2006, 11:07 PM
 
Originally Posted by davesimondotcom
Of course, if we weren't warned like this, we'd all be criticizing the Government for not warning us...
exactly. these are the same people laughing who would want "special investigations in 'what went wrong'".
the goverment is doing its job here, taking heed is your own priority. The goverment isnt doing this for sh*ts and giggles. You can not believe it all you want. there is nothing to lose by being prepared by having extra goods on hand that you will eventually use anyway.
     
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Mar 15, 2006, 11:42 PM
 
Since I do a lot of my shopping for the staples at Sam's Club and BJ's, I've probably got enough of that stuff to feed a rifle company for a week or so. No need to make extra provisions any time in the near future.

Now wait a minute, think about this: When I'm sick with the regular flu, I don't feel too much like eating, because you're just gonna puke it up anyway, and I'm sure most of you feel the same way when you have the flu, even the fat guys. And I seem to remember reading in a pamphlet or hearing some sound bite that this avian flu could possibly be worse than regular flu (I'm no board certified expert in doctorolgy mind you, but I believe that statement to be a widely believed fact).

And if this avian flu is indeed worse than regular flu, and bajillions of people get it, doesn't it stand to reason that less people will be eating? Thus leaving untold spoils for the rest of us to loot? Why, the world becomes my grocery store! Why the hell should I waste my precious pantry space when if that time comes, I can just drive down to the local Wegman's, throw a shopping cart through the window? And go fill my spare rooms with a 'nuff yumminess to last me through the coming Armageddon. And enough to spare for that rifle company. Whom at that point I'll probably be rather glad to see.

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Mar 15, 2006, 11:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by ThinkInsane
Since I do a lot of my shopping for the staples at Sam's Club and BJ's, I've probably got enough of that stuff to feed a rifle company for a week or so. No need to make extra provisions any time in the near future.

Now wait a minute, think about this: When I'm sick with the regular flu, I don't feel too much like eating, because you're just gonna puke it up anyway, and I'm sure most of you feel the same way when you have the flu, even the fat guys. And I seem to remember reading in a pamphlet or hearing some sound bite that this avian flu could possibly be worse than regular flu (I'm no board certified expert in doctorolgy mind you, but I believe that statement to be a widely believed fact).

And if this avian flu is indeed worse than regular flu, and bajillions of people get it, doesn't it stand to reason that less people will be eating? Thus leaving untold spoils for the rest of us to loot? Why, the world becomes my grocery store! Why the hell should I waste my precious pantry space when if that time comes, I can just drive down to the local Wegman's, throw a shopping cart through the window? And go fill my spare rooms with a 'nuff yumminess to last me through the coming Armageddon. And enough to spare for that rifle company. Whom at that point I'll probably be rather glad to see.

Think about it.

all those people who wont be eating, wont be eating because they are sick, they wont be eating because they are dead. bird flu is bad because your body doesnt have immune capability against it. the easiest way to put it is that bird flu, being divergent in an entirely different species (birds) attacks US in ways our bodies have no immunity to or defense against. Calling it "bird flu" has underprepared so many people that its startling. The public is tremendously under informed. Your high death rates will come from hospitals being overwhelmed by patients with what might not OTHERWISE kill them, but, by all these people not having access to ventilators along with other proper medical care, you start losing a LOT of people.
"a little worse than the flu" doesnt scratch the surface, regardless of how many people in these threads want to laugh about it.
     
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I'm not worried, the Hale Bop comet should be picking me up any time now.
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Mar 16, 2006, 12:23 AM
 
Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani


"Well right now we are advising our clients to put all they can into canned food and shotguns. "



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Originally Posted by meelk
all those people who wont be eating, wont be eating because they are sick, they wont be eating because they are dead. bird flu is bad because your body doesnt have immune capability against it. the easiest way to put it is that bird flu, being divergent in an entirely different species (birds) attacks US in ways our bodies have no immunity to or defense against. Calling it "bird flu" has underprepared so many people that its startling. The public is tremendously under informed. Your high death rates will come from hospitals being overwhelmed by patients with what might not OTHERWISE kill them, but, by all these people not having access to ventilators along with other proper medical care, you start losing a LOT of people.
"a little worse than the flu" doesnt scratch the surface, regardless of how many people in these threads want to laugh about it.
Yeah, I know what you're saying. I work in a large urban hospital, so I am far more informed than the post above would let on. I've just never been able to get my panties twisted up about things that I have no control over. If a pandemic hits, a lot of people are screwed, and that's a fact. Nothing I can do about it, so why waste my time worrying? It's far more fun to make a joke of it and move on (feel free to start the psychoanalyzing on that, but the fact is I'm not covering up my secret fears with humor or any of that, I really just don't worry about it, so like everything else it's fair game for mockery).

If it happens, it's gonna suck. But we'll all do what we always done: Try and survive and live our lives, no matter how miserable they become. And if your dead, it ain't your problem no more.

Sorry to make light of a topic you take seriously. I'm just that kind of guy.
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Mar 16, 2006, 12:34 AM
 
being on an asian country i saw from the news what happen to Hong kong when this bird flu happened...have one question though how does this sickness spread? (sorry i know its a silly question but i need to know cause this kind of thing should be taken seriously..)
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Originally Posted by ThinkInsane
Yeah, I know what you're saying. I work in a large urban hospital, so I am far more informed than the post above would let on. I've just never been able to get my panties twisted up about things that I have no control over. If a pandemic hits, a lot of people are screwed, and that's a fact. Nothing I can do about it, so why waste my time worrying? It's far more fun to make a joke of it and move on (feel free to start the psychoanalyzing on that, but the fact is I'm not covering up my secret fears with humor or any of that, I really just don't worry about it, so like everything else it's fair game for mockery).

If it happens, it's gonna suck. But we'll all do what we always done: Try and survive and live our lives, no matter how miserable they become. And if your dead, it ain't your problem no more.

Sorry to make light of a topic you take seriously. I'm just that kind of guy.
I cant say I'm worried about it. I just take the little piggy with the brick house approach
being prepared never hurt.
     
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Mar 16, 2006, 12:44 AM
 
ThinkInsane--
Now wait a minute, think about this: When I'm sick with the regular flu, I don't feel too much like eating, because you're just gonna puke it up anyway, and I'm sure most of you feel the same way when you have the flu, even the fat guys. And I seem to remember reading in a pamphlet or hearing some sound bite that this avian flu could possibly be worse than regular flu (I'm no board certified expert in doctorolgy mind you, but I believe that statement to be a widely believed fact).
If you get a serious form of flu, eating is the least of your concerns. The 1918 Flu Epidemic -- the one that killed around 100 million people worldwide in a year -- often attacked quite rapidly. People could come down with symptoms within hours, and die within a day. Often the flu would cause the lungs to hemmorage, and the blood that leaked into the lungs caused the victims to slowly drown. Lots of people who caught the flu and didn't succumb rapidly tended to catch bacterial pneumonia, and were done in by that. Dying because you were too weak to get food or water did happen sometimes. but it was fairly rare.

In any case, the reason that they're suggesting stocking up on food is so that healthy people can stay indoors longer and avoid risking catching the flu. Generally around 1/3d of people caught it, and only some of them died from it, but it is still a very serious disease.

Right now the projected worse case scenario is that 2-3% of the global population could die from this if it starts to spread amongst humans. That's as much as, say, 180 million people.

And if this avian flu is indeed worse than regular flu, and bajillions of people get it, doesn't it stand to reason that less people will be eating? Thus leaving untold spoils for the rest of us to loot? Why, the world becomes my grocery store! Why the hell should I waste my precious pantry space when if that time comes, I can just drive down to the local Wegman's, throw a shopping cart through the window? And go fill my spare rooms with a 'nuff yumminess to last me through the coming Armageddon. And enough to spare for that rifle company. Whom at that point I'll probably be rather glad to see.
Given past pandemics (e.g. the Spanish Flu, the Black Plague, smallpox, cholera, etc. it is unlikely that civilization will break down that completely. Instead, you'll still have to do your shopping more or less normally, but you'll be putting your life in your hands every time you do, for months, or maybe even a year or two. And there's really nowhere to run; even back in 1918, even very isolated settlements got hit. Enjoy!
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Mar 16, 2006, 12:54 AM
 
Originally Posted by cpt kangarooski
ThinkInsane--
Right now the projected worse case scenario is that 2-3% of the global population could die from this if it starts to spread amongst humans. That's as much as, say, 180 million people.
I worked out some numbers the other day with a 20% worldwide infection rate, and a 2.5% death rate, its 32.5 million (if I'm remembering my own calcs correctly). Of course with worldwide travel now, 20% might be lowballing it more than a little.
     
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Mar 16, 2006, 04:05 AM
 
100 people have died worldwide? Guess what, that is such a slim amount statistically for the worldwide population that no one outside the medical community should be concerned. Way more then 100 people died yesterday alone in car crashes, and more then 100 people worldwide yesterday died due to illness.

I'll give crap to the government for not being prepared for a massive hurricane that was pretty easy to tell it would cause widespread issues. And I'll now also give them crap for overhyping something so insignificant in the worldwide scheme of things now. If this flu strain ever proves to be transmittable to humans from an infected human, and more then 10,000 people die in a week, then I might start to be concerned. Until then, I need to be much more worried about dying to an alien death ray, or an asteroid tomorrow then I need to worry about the bird flu.
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Mar 16, 2006, 04:38 AM
 
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Way more then 100 people died yesterday alone in car crashes
True.

I think you'll probably find that World-wide, more than 100 people died last month from some kind of bizarre incident whilst putting their trousers on in the morning.

It's true. Don't know where to put my hands on the stats for that kind of thing right now, but about a year ago I happened across them. And was slightly bemused.
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Mar 16, 2006, 05:25 AM
 
In any case, the reason that they're suggesting stocking up on food is so that healthy people can stay indoors longer and avoid risking catching the flu. Generally around 1/3d of people caught it, and only some of them died from it, but it is still a very serious disease.
Well, if people have to stay indoors for THREE MONTHS we have bigger things to worry about. The worldwide economy will crash. Can you imagine what would happen if everyone stayed home? The entire world will grind to a halt. All businesses will be closed. Schools will be closed. Everything will shut down. There will be no food to buy.

So, I guess we'd better go to Costco today and buy huge pallets of food, get a generator, get a lot water, get a lot of gasoline, get cash, and get a gun.

     
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Here is some info.

Note also that the cases reported of human infection are not of the usual type we could see often in the West, i.e. having live poultry in the house.
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