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starman · Mar 23, 2006, 11:18 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/23/n...n-nintendo-go/

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 11:20 AM

Another cube shaped logo viewed at the same angle. How innovative and groundbreaking, Nintendo!

Judge_Fire · Mar 23, 2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Another cube shaped logo viewed at the same angle. How innovative and groundbreaking, Nintendo!

Hmm, I like it. The new system is just building on the old one, extending it in different directions (online, controller etc.). You can see the old cube in the middle.

J

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 11:36 AM

It's so bad it has to be fake.

Time till GoMac's... "l like it because...."

Judge_Fire · Mar 23, 2006, 11:40 AM

You can always pronounce it '5', like Mac OS X is '10'.

J

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Judge_Fire

Hmm, I like it. The new system is just building on the old one, extending it in different directions (online, controller etc.). You can see the old cube in the middle.

J

I find aesthetically pleasing, but for a company that can't leave a controller alone for a generation i find incredibly hypocritical that they should use such a similar style logo for 3 generations.

Big Mac · Mar 23, 2006, 11:41 AM

This has not been confirmed yet. And there's nothing particularly revolutionary about the word Go, so I have to doubt this change. Many are commenting on the fact go means five in Japanese, and this will be Nintendo's fifth console. But that's not very impressive.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

This has not been confirmed yet. And there's nothing particularly revolutionary about the word Go, so I have to doubt this change. Many are commenting on the fact go means five in Japanese, and this will be Nintendo's fifth console. But that's not very impressive.

There is nothing particularly revolutionary about only having 480p output either but that isn't stopping Nintendo.

Jim Paradise · Mar 23, 2006, 11:50 AM

Lame; should've kept it as Revolution. Still, it won't deter me from getting one at some point.

olePigeon · Mar 23, 2006, 12:04 PM

I was reading the comments. It's Nintendo's Online service, not a rebranding of Revolution.

ort888 · Mar 23, 2006, 12:06 PM

It could be anything. It's probably the name of their online network or something. That would make sense.

Eug Wanker · Mar 23, 2006, 12:10 PM

I like the logo, and I don't mind the name, especially considering that it means "5".

I prefer the name "Revolution", but at least it's not as cheezy as "Xbox".

We'll see what "Go" is really meant to be though.

goMac · Mar 23, 2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

It's so bad it has to be fake.

Time till GoMac's... "l like it because...."

Do you by chance know what Go means in Japanese?

Edit: More likely this is the name of Nintendo's online service, not the console. GO= "Game online" anyone?

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Do you by chance know what Go means in Japanese?

Doesn't everyone?

wallinbl · Mar 23, 2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

There is nothing particularly revolutionary about only having 480p output either but that isn't stopping Nintendo.

I wish the game developers were less hung up on graphics and more hung up on fun.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by wallinbl

I wish the game developers were less hung up on graphics and more hung up on fun.

Hook up a gameCube to a 40 inch TV though S-Video and you will see what fun looks like................ ASS!

ort888 · Mar 23, 2006, 01:39 PM

The cube does look horrible on a HDTV. RE4 went from being one of the best looking games I had ever seen to a garbled mess when I bought my 51" HDTV. Xbox games look a million times better on a nice TV.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

The cube does look horrible on a HDTV. RE4 went from being one of the best looking games I had ever seen to a garbled mess when I bought my 51" HDTV. Xbox games look a million times better on a nice TV.

Yup, I don't care if the graphics are super nice (I hate doom 3 even though it looks nice) but with large TV's 480p is barely acceptable.

On my previous 40 inch widescreen CRT Zelda WW looked ok. Not great but ok.

I hooked up my cube with S-video to my new 50" LCD high Def TV and it looks RANCID playing Zelda. Totally horrible. I will take a picture if anyone doens't believe me.

Everyone was always saying how RE4 was sooo awesome looking but agian viewing it on my TV it looks pretty bad. Most of the time Nintendo games aren't even in widescreen which makes things worse.

before anyone says large TV's are a small minority you should look up the stats. TONS of people have High Def TV's, even more with 40"+ sets. Nintendo is coming out with a new system at the end of 2006 that is supposed to last at least till 2010 with no high def support.

This doesn't mean the games will be so much fun nobody will notice how horrible it looks. When I say horrible it doesn't mean the graphics aren't modeled well, I mean the resolution is so low and then blown up that everything looks pixelated and noisy.

On my Xbox 1 everything looks very good. On Xbox 360 they look stunning.. and get this... they are ALSO FUN. You don't have to trade one for the other.

Apfhex · 02:04 PM

Yup. Well, if all Revolution games support progressive scan and widescreen then it'll at least be tolerable. PS2 games as well look horrible on an HDTV if they don't have both those things (widescreen is the most important though). It's a real shame RE4, while visually 16:9, is not REAL widescreen, just black bars added to the top and bottom of a 4:3 image. I think both Metroid Prime games have these features, though, which is good because those are the GC games aside from RE4 that I will want to play on my Revolution.

BTW the "GO" name is still very much rumor. Nintendo didn't say anything about it at todays keynote.

Originally Posted by goMac

More likely this is the name of Nintendo's online service, not the console. GO= "Game online" anyone?

This is exactly what I thought when I head about it.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Apfhex

Yup. Well, if all Revolution games support progressive scan and widescreen then it'll at least be tolerable. PS2 games as well look horrible on and HDTV if they don't have both those things (widescreen is the most important though). It's a real shame RE4, while visually entirely widescreen, is not REAL widescreen, just black bars added to the top and bottom of a 4:3 image.

BTW the "GO" name is still very much rumor. Nintendo didn't say anything about the name at todays keynote.

No they don't. PS2 games look MUCH better than the cube and some even support 1080i which is stunning.

Is "Tolerable Graphics" something you really want from a next gen system in 2006 nevermind in 2010?

goMac · Mar 23, 2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

No they don't. PS2 games look MUCH better than the cube and some even support 1080i which is stunning.

Is "Tolerable Graphics" something you really want from a next gen system in 2006 nevermind in 2010?

: sigh :

Do we need to go over this again? You're one of very few people who have an HD set. You can go on about it all you want but most of us don't actually care.

I've never seen a PS2 game which looks better than all the cube games.

Apfhex · Mar 23, 2006, 02:25 PM

I can't argue since I haven't had the opportunity to use a GC with my HDTV, but I would be surprised if a 480i, 4:3 GC game looks worse than the same thing for PS2. However, this might depend on if you have one of the older GCs that actually supported component video out.

And I'll restate what I said: PS2 games that are 480p with widescreen options look more than tolerable, they look GOOD on my HDTV. I just played BLACK and have no complaints about how it looks. And anyway, I'm not getting a Revolution for its graphics, I'm getting one for its games. Same reason I have (and absolutely love) a DS (with its low-res dimly backlit screens and N64 quality graphics) and not a PSP.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

You're one of very few people who have an HD set.

From 2004:
"Half of U.S. consumers intend to buy an HDTV for their next television. Among HDTV owners, 66 percent indicate their next TV purchase will be an HDTV."

"Americans will buy between six and seven million HDTVs in 2004 â€“ an increase of more than 50 percent compared to 2003."

"HDTV monitor sales were 3.2 million in 2003, and the number will rise to 20.2 million by 2008, at which point the installed base of HDTVs will be 59.3 million."

As of Today there are more HDTV's sold then the Nintendo GameCube. So are you saying nobody has a gamecube?

Just about every new TV show is filmed in HD. That is quite a huge amount of money to spend if nobody has HDTV's.

HDTV's aside MORE people have 40"+ sets and the gamecube looks crappy on those as well.

Eug Wanker · Mar 23, 2006, 02:28 PM

HD sets are very common, especially if you're buying new. I was in the store the other day and over half of the sets on display over 20" were HD-capable.

In fact, you can get 720p sets now for under US$1000.

Personally I think any console in 2006 should support at least 720p. That said, if the Revolution/Go is nice, and very inexpensive, I'll consider it... in addition to the PS3. However, if it's just OK, I'll just stick with the PS3 (unless it is horrendously expensive).

Super Mario · Mar 23, 2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

: sigh :

I've never seen a PS2 game which looks better than all the cube games.

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Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Personally I think any console in 2006 should support at least 720p. That said, if the Revolution/Go is nice, and very inexpensive, I'll consider it... in addition to the PS3. However, if it's just OK, I'll just stick with the PS3 (unless it is horrendously expensive).

When I send you pics of what the gamecube looks like on an HD set you will eat your words. The revolution/Go will not have any higher output than the Cube. The max is 480p.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

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What he ment is that he has never looked at a PS2 box and believed anything can look better than a Nintendo title.

Just for fun I will take a pic of the best looking Cube game RE4 and put it against an old and recent PS2 title. He still won't believe it.

Eug Wanker · Mar 23, 2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

When I send you pics of what the gamecube looks like on an HD set you will eat your words. The revolution/Go will not have any higher output than the Cube. The max is 480p.

I've seen 480p games on a HDTV (under 40"). It's not great, and its nowhere near as nice as 720p like from the Xbox 360, but it's acceptable.

ie. On smaller HDTVs I can deal with having only 480p, but only if the Revolution/Go (along with its games) is really inexpensive.

ort888 · Mar 23, 2006, 02:37 PM

I've seen 480p games with native widescreen that look decent. Most cube games look, OKish on my TV. Resident Evil was an exemption, since it was created in 16:9, but didn't actually support 16:9. So you had to zoom it up to fill the screen. It looks like dog ass.

I think if Nintendo makes all of the game 480p, and have 16:9... that it could be passable. Still stupid not to go full HD, but whatever. We'll have to wait and see.

wallinbl · Mar 23, 2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

When I send you pics of what the gamecube looks like on an HD set you will eat your words.

I play my GC on my HDTV. Unlike most people, I don't stretch the picture - I just leave the black bars on the sides. It looks no different on an HDTV than any other TV. If your TV is really big, then you should be sitting back further. There are correct viewing distances for TVs, you know.

Most of the channels you get on cable/satellite are still in 480. Very few have gone HD, and even the ones that have still have programs in 480.

wallinbl · Mar 23, 2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

Still stupid not to go full HD, but whatever.

Nintendo has a different market than XBox and PS2/3. They aren't stupid and they know that most people don't care about HD. Enthusiasts do, but most don't. Enthusiasists are the minority.

Eug Wanker · Mar 23, 2006, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

I've seen 480p games with native widescreen that look decent. Most cube games look, OKish on my TV. Resident Evil was an exemption, since it was created in 16:9, but didn't actually support 16:9. So you had to zoom it up to fill the screen. It looks like dog ass.

I think if Nintendo makes all of the game 480p, and have 16:9... that it could be passable. Still stupid not to go full HD, but whatever. We'll have to wait and see.

Yeah, exactly.

1) 720p or better is definitely preferred, but lack of it is not necessarily a deal killer for some markets.
2) Having only 640x480i would suck, but we can be assured the Revolution/Go won't be 640x480i only.
3) Support for 720x480p would be acceptable, if it came with component outputs.

itai195 · Mar 23, 2006, 02:46 PM

By the time this console has matured 3-5 years from now, a lot more people will have upgraded and care about HD. I think Nintendo is being short-sighted again, personally. I hope they at least make 480p 16:9 support a requirement for games, I could live with that.

Originally Posted by wallinbl

Nintendo has a different market than XBox and PS2/3. They aren't stupid and they know that most people don't care about HD. Enthusiasts do, but most don't. Enthusiasists are the minority.

True, but I don't think you can leave the 'hardcore gamers' in the dark and expect to sell the thing. There are still plenty of Nintendo fans (like myself) who will probably buy it though.

Super Mario · Mar 23, 2006, 03:04 PM

Every console should be 1080p with up to 2.35:1

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Every console should be 1080p with up to 2.35:1

Actually widescreen TV's are 16:9 or 1:85 so your joke is a bit off.

Eug Wanker · Mar 23, 2006, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Every console should be 1080p with up to 2.35:1

You may be just joking, but in any case the PS3 is 1080p.

I suspect it may be too slow in most games for 1080p though. OTOH, the capability for 1080p Blu-ray movies is there.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Actually widescreen TV's are 16:9 or 1:85 so your joke is a bit off.

Actually, 16:9 is 1.777777777777778:1.

goMac · Mar 23, 2006, 03:21 PM

Nintendo speech ended today.

No new Revolution name.

No Nintendo Go.

Sony fanboys jumped the gun again.

ort888 · Mar 23, 2006, 03:23 PM

But they did announce this...

ZELDA DS!

http://media.nintendo-europe.com/com...hIK1Rv3Sa8.mov

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Sony fanboys jumped the gun again.

way to ignore everyones point on the HDTV Nintendo fanboy

Why would a sony fanboy give a **** what the thing is called?

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Why would a sony fanboy give a **** what the thing is called?

To make fun of it.

Hawkeye_a · 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by wallinbl

Enthusiasists are the minority.

No way !!! lol dont you know that the only people who buy video games, are nerds with no life who sit in their basement and stress about graphics ? lol.

i mean they all baught a PSP, and rightly so. too bad the rest of the world(regular people) didnt care. in fact, more people (as opposed to your average 18-35 yr old technophile male) baught a graphically inferior system. lol...so yeah...not to worry, there are more of us regular people here on this planet.

im just glad Nintendo is marketing their products to everyone(finally) as opposed to Sony and Microsoft who keep exonorating thir niches and ignoring everyone else.

Lol...funny, a year after Nintendo announces the online service, Sony announces plans for a download service, do they come up with anything on their own or do they just borrow and steal everything they make in the video game space ? so pathetic.

Watching the Ken Kamagi or whatever on stage, reminds me of that scene from Pirates of Silicon Valley where you have a nerd on stage talking about the skhematics of an 'Altair 8800' or something....all numbers. the Nintendo guys remind me of Jobs n Woz brining the Apple I to the show, and talking about a computer you can actually use.

Thank God that Apple and Nintendo share the same philosophy. you can have ur dells n alienware n sonys....by geeks for geeks. ill stick to Apple n Nintendo.

Ciao

Salty · Mar 23, 2006, 03:29 PM

I have to say I could see this as being more of Nintendo's online service. Would make more sense.

Hawkeye_a · 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

To make fun of it.

lol ...... and to have something to do when they arent playing video games. never dealt with a more rabid group of geeks with no life...ever. And im a developer lol. it's weird but most developers i know play old school games with crap graphics but amazing game play. but anyway....

On topic, at least "Nintendo Go" seems a lot more creative than just adding a number to your previous console lol..... but i do understand that the other two are kinda handicapped when it comes to creativity and innovation (in anything they do). it's part of their DNA. lol

goMac · Mar 23, 2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

But they did announce this...

ZELDA DS!

http://media.nintendo-europe.com/com...hIK1Rv3Sa8.mov

Doesn't look bad, I liked the touchscreen use for the boomerang. Also the return of cell shaded will be cool. Windwaker engine will be a good fit for the DS.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

To make fun of it.

The supposed "Go" name is the least funny part about the system.

Hawkeye_a · Mar 23, 2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Doesn't look bad, I liked the touchscreen use for the boomerang. Also the return of cell shaded will be cool. Windwaker engine will be a good fit for the DS.

looks fine...i love the cell shaded Zelda look. but im not a huge fan of the 'top-down' gameplay style. i'd have preferred a more 3D-ish game kinda like windwaker. but this game looks like it'll be fun.

So on my list so far....
-NDS Lite
-Mario kart DS
-Metroid Prime:Hunters
-Mario64

S (never played the n64 version)
-Super Mario Brothers

Damn it, when are they gonna get the Lite to Oz ?

ort888 · Mar 23, 2006, 04:00 PM

Take Mario 64 off your list. It controls like crap on the DS.

I would highly recommend Advance Wars DS and Castlevania

Also recommended are...

Sonic Rush
Wario Ware
Meteos
Tetris DS

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

So on my list so far....
-NDS Lite
-Mario kart DS
-Metroid Prime:Hunters
-Mario64

S (never played the n64 version)
-Super Mario Brothers

When is some original content coming from nintendo other than playing with puppies?

I mean they say the game industry is stale when Halo 2 comes out but they are up to Mario Party 26, Zelda and the whatever, endless ports from Super Nintendo and Mario stuck in every situation possible... Mario Prostate Exam DS, Mario Pays his Phone Bill DS.

ort888 · Mar 23, 2006, 04:03 PM

Well, they have that Brain training series which has taken Japan by storm. That's original.

Dark Helmet · Mar 23, 2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

Well, they have that Brain training series which has taken Japan by storm. That's original.

Ya that is really what people want in the US.

Seriously when is a good non-sequel/spinoff game coming out?