[moodymonster]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4857962.stm

Ryanair said in a statement it was due to an "error by the Eirjet pilot who mistakenly believed he was on a visual approach to City of Derry airport".

The 39 passengers were taken by coach from Ballykelly to the airport.

One of the passengers said everyone was completely surprised when they realised what had happened.

'Surreal'

He said: "The pilot apologised and said, 'We may have arrived at the wrong airport'.

"Everyone started laughing and thought it was a joke, then I saw for myself when I looked out and saw Army officers everywhere.


The plane had been destined for City of Derry Airport
"It was just unbelievable, I think the Army officers were shocked themselves (as) they were taking photographs. It was surreal."

omg, hahaha

[turtle777]

-t

[MaxPower2k3]

Over here, the plane probably would've been shot down before it got to the base.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Oh man!

Although I am seriously biased against the blight in European air traffic that is Ryanair, this is just one of those things that can happen to anyone. Believe it or not, this is fairly common in civil aviaion. Delta in the US earned such a reputation in the 80s/90s that their slogan of "Delta gets you there" was commonly phrased as "Delta gets you near"

There are few things more embarrassing for pilots than to land on the wrong airport by accident. Most of the time things like this happen because of misunderstanding between ATC and the pilot. No harm done, so all good.

Just don't fly Ryanair. They suck a lot and their regular airports are pretty far from the advertised destination most of the time anyways. Such as Copenhagen (Malmö) - 95 km by bus - or my personal favorite Alicante (Murcia) - (150 km by bus). The airport in parenthesis is the one they actually *land* in.

cheers

W-Y

[Dork.]

It is not yet clear how the plane will be removed from the Army base.

uhh... umm... Can't they just fly it away?

[moodymonster]

Originally Posted by Dork.

uhh... umm... Can't they just fly it away?

given that the runway is one of the longest in Ireland, you'd have thought so

[abe]

So, exactly what is the deal with Ryanair? They have gained a reputation for being cheap or inept or they have too many flights or what???

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by abe

So, exactly what is the deal with Ryanair? They have gained a reputation for being cheap or inept or they have too many flights or what???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKPirksymQ

Here is an interesting Channel 4 (UK) documentary on Ryanair. (approx 45 min)

Highly enlightening about what Ryanair is and how they are the trailertrash of airlines. Enjoy!

cheers

W-Y

[moodymonster]

I've flown with Ryanair several times - they were fine, cheap, ontime and took me where I wanted to go. No complaints.

Just find it funny that someone can land at a military base and not realise it.

[FireWire]

I don't understand how can a situation like this happen in 2006. Don't they have to communicate with the airport for landing authorization? Electronic control and positionning? I imagine the dialogue that preceded the incident:

Pilot: "This is flight 354, requesting landing authorization"
Control tower : "All right. Land on strip #6"
Pilot: "OK. Landing right now"
Control tower: "I don't see you"

[abe]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKPirksymQ

Here is an interesting Channel 4 (UK) documentary on Ryanair. (approx 45 min)

Highly enlightening about what Ryanair is and how they are the trailertrash of airlines. Enjoy!

cheers

W-Y

Thanks. I'll save it for tonite.

[abe]

Originally Posted by FireWire

I don't understand how can a situation like this happen in 2006. Don't they have to communicate with the airport for landing authorization? Electronic control and positionning? I imagine the dialogue that preceded the incident:

Pilot: "This is flight 354, requesting landing authorization"
Control tower : "All right. Land on strip #6"
Pilot: "OK. Landing right now"
Control tower: "I don't see you"

Actually, you have pointed out where the old pre-radar method of air control might have done a better job IN THIS INSTANCE.

99.99% of the other cases I'd guess are better off with a radar based atc. Although I know there is a need for better FAA equipment or systems here in the USA.

[abe]

Originally Posted by moodymonster

I've flown with Ryanair several times - they were fine, cheap, ontime and took me where I wanted to go. No complaints.

Just find it funny that someone can land at a military base and not realise it.

TY.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by FireWire

I don't understand how can a situation like this happen in 2006. Don't they have to communicate with the airport for landing authorization? Electronic control and positionning? I imagine the dialogue that preceded the incident:

Pilot: "This is flight 354, requesting landing authorization"
Control tower : "All right. Land on strip #6"
Pilot: "OK. Landing right now"
Control tower: "I don't see you"

Yeah, I'd love to hear the ATC/CVR on such an approach!

For a list of similar incidents: http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html

Lots of strange and funny incidents of this kind there.

cheers

W-Y

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by abe

Actually, you have pointed out where the old pre-radar method of air control might have done a better job IN THIS INSTANCE.

Perhaps, but we don't know at this moment anything about what caused this incident. This will be looked into no doubt, not the least because the military doesn't look mildly on unwanted traffic on its airstrips!

Originally Posted by abe

99.99% of the other cases I'd guess are better off with a radar based atc. Although I know there is a need for better FAA equipment or systems here in the USA.

A visual approach is *always* used (although in CATIII contitions they won't be very impressive) and ATC is always radar based.

Question: what is FAA equipment?

cheers

W-Y

[angelmb]

Reminds me that old Microsoft joke…

There is a clever helicopter pilot whose job is to ferry VIP's from the Seattle airport to downtown. One day he found himself with a passenger in a pea soup fog somewhere over downtown Seattle. No landmarks were visible and the passenger became panicky.

The pilot said "Don't worry" and very gradually let the helicopter down until it was hovering opposite the window of a large, unidentifiable building. The pilot motioned to a woman working in the building to open her window and asked her "Where are we?" The woman responded "You are in a helicopter."

The pilot immediately lifted the helicopter above the building tops, flew a mile and a half, let it down through the fog, and hit the landing pad dead centre. The amazed and relieved passenger said "How on earth did you do that?" The pilot said: "It was simple. The information the woman gave me was perfectly accurate and utterly useless. I knew that she had to be working at the Microsoft Customer Support Centre.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by MaxPower2k3

Over here, the plane probably would've been shot down before it got to the base.

I was about to say the same thing. They are DAMN lucky.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

A visual approach is *always* used (although in CATIII contitions they won't be very impressive) and ATC is always radar based.
Question: what is FAA equipment?

cheers

W-Y

If their landing was based on visual reference and confirmations only, I doubt this would have happened. I know that a visual only approach doesn't exist in the commercial world, but I'm extrapolating on the seeming amazement of all at this incident. If you are primarily using technology for ATC then I can understand how this could happen. If you are talking about a guy in a tower getting binoculars on a plane a few miles out and the crew talking to that guy on the radio and making sure that everyone was on the same page, then this seems really wacky. Most of the disbelief (IMHO) comes from the obvious visual incongruity.

John Q Public might ask, "Does THIS plane look like a military plane?" And if you are using visual cues and references it DOESN'T make sense that the plane would land there. Eyeballs on the matter would've prevented it.

And as for FAA equipment, don't be silly!

EVERYBODY knows FAA equipment is equipment which allows Air Traffic Controllers to see the airplanes when they are FAA FAA AWAY!

[abe]

Originally Posted by angelmb

Reminds me that old Microsoft joke…

There is a clever helicopter pilot whose job is to ferry VIP's from the Seattle airport to downtown. One day he found himself with a passenger in a pea soup fog somewhere over downtown Seattle. No landmarks were visible and the passenger became panicky.

The pilot said "Don't worry" and very gradually let the helicopter down until it was hovering opposite the window of a large, unidentifiable building. The pilot motioned to a woman working in the building to open her window and asked her "Where are we?" The woman responded "You are in a helicopter."

The pilot immediately lifted the helicopter above the building tops, flew a mile and a half, let it down through the fog, and hit the landing pad dead centre. The amazed and relieved passenger said "How on earth did you do that?" The pilot said: "It was simple. The information the woman gave me was perfectly accurate and utterly useless. I knew that she had to be working at the Microsoft Customer Support Centre.

I like that story.

[production_coordinator]

Originally Posted by Dork.

uhh... umm... Can't they just fly it away?

No no... it must be dismantled piece by piece. Boxed up, and shipped to the nearest airport for reassembly.

[abe]

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

No no... it must be dismantled piece by piece. Boxed up, and shipped to the nearest airport for reassembly.

Nah! That's only done when an enemy nation gets hold of the craft and wants to examine it and don't care that the enemy knows it's been dissected for study.

But hey, maybe you've got a point

Western democracy, our cherished way of life and our traditional institutions have never been under any threat from terrorists. What did these lunatics expect to achieve by bombing London Underground? Did they seriously think that because they'd callously killed a few of us, we'd all stop going to work, that our children would stay home from school, that we'd be too scared to vote in the next election, that we'd give up going to the library or the shops, that football grounds would be deserted and Mrs.GOS would spend her days hiding in the cupboard under the stairs? Hitler, the Kaiser and Napoleon couldn't manage it. Why should a few sad, ignorant little nutters in hoodies think they could do any better?

Ah, but they had a secret weapon, didn't they?

No, not Osama Binliner. Not Captain Hookza, either. It was Tony Bliar, the terrorists' friend.

Mark my words, the real enemy is our own government.http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/osama.asp

[olePigeon]

30 Euro for a trip between countries that'd cost you $350 here in the US for interstate travel. RyanAir is awesome.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKPirksymQ

I'm through watching half of it now (it's slow loading) and I think they are making an issue out of it where there is none for the sake of sensationalization. If I travel by train or bus or taxi nobody is checking my passport either and there is nothing wrong with it.

Any yeah, the plains are only cleaned once a day. If I travel from Frankfurt to Alicante for 30 € I don't expect the plain to be cleaned every other hour. If I go by train the train isn't cleaned too and it will take me a day.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by abe

If their landing was based on visual reference and confirmations only, I doubt this would have happened.

Well, it was a visual approach.

"This incident arose as a result of an error by the Eirjet's pilot who mistakenly believed he was on a visual approach to City of Derry airport."

This kind of thing can *only* happen on a visual approach. Had they been flying in on CAT with an ILS then this would not have happened.

I know that a visual only approach doesn't exist in the commercial world, but I'm extrapolating on the seeming amazement of all at this incident.

A "visual only" approach is very common in the commercial world of aviation. I think you don't know much about landing procedures.

If you are primarily using technology for ATC then I can understand how this could happen. If you are talking about a guy in a tower getting binoculars on a plane a few miles out and the crew talking to that guy on the radio and making sure that everyone was on the same page, then this seems really wacky.

Looks like I was right about your knowledge of landing procedures then.

Question: What is ATC technology?
Question: Why do you assume that the tower maintains constant visual? They have radar.
Question: Why do you think this was an instrument landing when just about the only clue in the press about this incident is that it was a visual approach and the pilot confused airports?!

Most of the disbelief (IMHO) comes from the obvious visual incongruity.

No, there was agreement enough. The pilot asks for landing clearance at LDY at runway 26 and receive it. They land on a runway 26 on a nearby military airstrip on a visual approach. Right runway, clearance ok, wrong airport. This is nothing amazing and happens, although rarely. If they had been using ILS then it couldn't have happened, since the airport broadcasts a 1020 Hz morse code identification signal, so the ID of the airport is never in question.

John Q Public might ask, "Does THIS plane look like a military plane?" And if you are using visual cues and references it DOESN'T make sense that the plane would land there. Eyeballs on the matter would've prevented it.

What are you talking about now? Who is this John Q Public and what has he to do with this incident? Are you beginning to rant again? Make shorter posts or write about something you actually know and I'm sure you'll make more sense or something.

And as for FAA equipment, don't be silly!

I don't believe the FAA sells any equipment. They are simply the Federal Aviation Administration, an agency of the United States Department of Transportation with authority to regulate and oversee all aspects of civil aviation in the U.S. and have nothing to do with making or selling or distributing equipment of any kind. For more information on what the FAA is, check here and for ATC equipment check here for instance.

EVERYBODY knows FAA equipment is equipment which allows Air Traffic Controllers to see the airplanes when they are FAA FAA AWAY!

Well, to put it bluntly. No.

Oh well, good to see ya seemingly interested in aviation, but you don't actually know much about it.

cheers

W-Y

[ambush]

RYAN AIR AND EASYJET FOREVER... 20 euros flight yeah!



I wanna see pics of this incident!

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Dork.

uhh... umm... Can't they just fly it away?

"The airstrip at Ballykelly is primarily used by Army helicopters and light aircraft. It was built for huge military planes, making it one of the longest on the island."

Perhaps it is not maintained well enough for giant aircraft.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

My quick guess is that the airport wasn't made to handle large plans like this.

If they were able to land, they'd be able to start. Easy like that.

-t

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

I'm through watching half of it now (it's slow loading) and I think they are making an issue out of it where there is none for the sake of sensationalization. If I travel by train or bus or taxi nobody is checking my passport either and there is nothing wrong with it.

Any yeah, the plains are only cleaned once a day. If I travel from Frankfurt to Alicante for 30 € I don't expect the plain to be cleaned every other hour. If I go by train the train isn't cleaned too and it will take me a day.

TETENAL, I assume you're not trying to be daft just for the heck of it. Ryanair is based in the UK and Ireland, neither of which is in the Schengen area.

Since the UK is *not* in the Schengen and Ireland is *not* in the Schengen area you *have to* show a passport when you travel outside or into the Schengen area or in other words, all flights or other travels between the British Isles and the mainland.

Frankfurt and Alicante are both within Schengen and therefore (duh) there is no need for passport control, are we clear so far?

And yeah, the planes are cleaned once a day only. That means of someone pukes on the floor, then you might be the lucky one to sit in that pile of puke on your trip between Frankfurt and Alicante because they won't clean it on the 30 minute turnaround Ryanair wants. That puke will just sit there for your enjoyment.

Planes don't have to be cleaned thoroughly every hour, and FWIW twice a day would be more than enough. Once is bareable for most people. It's just that almost whatever occurs in the plane during the day it won't be cleaned. Even when I travelled on DB and some stupid drunk Germans from Köln puked a pile of wurst and Jägermeister on the floor beside me, it was cleaned up on the next station and trains stop for only a few minutes.

I suggest you finsh the episode and enjoy your Ryanair flights. They won't be getting a euro-cent from me.

In the first half of the documentary they deal with F/A training and how future Ryanair flight-attendants are helped pass a test by telling them the answers before the test is taken and allowing them to use their notes in the test - where they already wrote down the answer. What surprises me is that you don't comment at all on that! The safety issue of un-trained F/As.

Safety? Nah, too annoying. Ryanair just wings with it. Until the screw it up one day. The pilots are probably fine, but the F/As are just there to sell sandwiches and sleep on the job. If anything would occur then they wouldn't know what to do because they never really passed their test and never really learned anything in their F/A course. Nor does Ryanair allow unions, which is just sad and a testament to their pathetic business practices.

If I were you TETENAL, then I'd fly with Air Berlin or EasyJet. There are better alternatives than Ryanair. Way better and yet not expensive. I have nothing against LCCs, just against companies that are a risk, give a lousy service and are determined to milk the EU. Ryanair is crap like Microsoft is crap. Granted, they don't crash as often - thank heavens.

An "airline" like Ryanair can't exist in the US for instance because the US doesn't subsidise automatically flights between say, Twin Falls, Idaho and Socorro, New Mexico like the EU would. Sorry Americans, but SouthWest, JetBlue and AirTran are about as cheap as it is ever going to get in the US, because the Federal Government doesn't actually *pay* anyone hard cash for flying between rarely used airports like the EU does. On the other hand, you get better service, safer planes and don't have to see your taxes go right into the pocket of the likes of Ryanair.

cheers

W-Y

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

If they were able to land, they'd be able to start. Easy like that.

-t

No dude, he may have tore up the runway landing OR it was pure luck nothing went wrong. They are not going to risk a 500 million dollar jet just like that.

[moodymonster]

I imagine they keep the runway in good nick for military flights and civil emergencies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Ballykelly

The base houses a British Army infantry brigade headquarters, a signals unit, a dog unit and an infantry battalion, all in Northern Ireland in support of the police in the fight against terrorism. Both the Army Air Corps and RAF use the base, but no aircraft are stationed there any more. The runways and taxiways remain well maintained and operational.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

No dude, he may have tore up the runway landing OR it was pure luck nothing went wrong. They are not going to risk a 500 million dollar jet just like that.

Stop speculating. None of this happened. They landed safely, so they should be able to take off safely. Stop defending your moot point.

-t

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

No dude, he may have tore up the runway landing OR it was pure luck nothing went wrong. They are not going to risk a 500 million dollar jet just like that.

There was no mention of an incident at the landing other than that it occurred in the wrong airport

The airliner in question is an A320-200 operated by Eirjet on behalf of Ryanair. This is a small jet, single isle. Here is a picture of an idenical machine (could be the one in question but I don't know the registration) :

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1021011/L/

Its list price is about 48 million USD.

cheers

W-Y

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

There was no mention of an incident at the landing other than that it occurred in the wrong airport

The airliner in question is an A320-200 operated by Eirjet on behalf of Ryanair. This is a small jet, single isle. Here is a picture of an idenical machine (could be the one in question but I don't know the registration) :

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1021011/L/

Its list price is about 48 million USD.

cheers

W-Y

So what you are saying is that since it only 48 mil and the story didn't mention a busted runway it is worth taking off from?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

So what you are saying is that since it only 48 mil and the story didn't mention a busted runway it is worth taking off from?

Are you an idiot ?

Seriously, do you think those military landing strips are just some grass or what ?


-t

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

If I were you TETENAL, then I'd fly with Air Berlin or EasyJet.

No, thanks. I'll stick with Deutsche Touring/Eurolines. I'm just realistic enough that I know that if I would fly to Alicante for 30 € I know that I'd get what I paid for and wouldn't whine about some puke on the floor.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Are you an idiot ?

Seriously, do you think those military landing strips are just some grass or what ?


-t

I think you are the idiot as you didn't even read my last post:

"The airstrip at Ballykelly is primarily used by Army helicopters and light aircraft. It was built for huge military planes, making it one of the longest on the island."

Then I said: "Perhaps it is not maintained well enough for giant aircraft."

Before you mouth off any further I have got my pilots license in 1997. The runways we used were waaay longer than needed for small aircraft but they still didn't allow military jets because the runways weren't maintained for it meaning they don't meticulously clean it for every bolt that a jet engine can suck up.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Are you an idiot ?

Seriously, do you think those military landing strips are just some grass or what ?


-t

Good question.

There is no way an A320 could have busted the runway and been airworthy aferwards. The airport in question also has more than one runway. It also has the longest runway in the area which means it is designed for very heavy airplanes. An A380 could land there without busting the runway. An A320 would bust before the runway would. There is no maintainance issues at an active airport.

cheers

W-Y

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Then I said: "Perhaps it is not maintained well enough for giant aircraft."

Perhaps, maybe, possibly bla bla.

All speculation.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Before you mouth off any further I have got my pilots license in 1997.

Yeah, that'll make me shut up
You're so my hero.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

The runways we used were waaay longer than needed for small aircraft but they still didn't allow military jets because the runways weren't maintained for it meaning they don't meticulously clean it for every bolt that a jet engine can suck up.

Yeah, right, and cleaning that strip wouldn't be an option.

-t

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

There is no maintainance issues at an active airport.

cheers

W-Y

Again, there is. IF it is not expected to land JET planes they aren't overly obsessive over clearing the runway of small debris. Doesn't matter if it is long, like the story says it is long but used for small aircraft and helicopters.

In flight school someone had to land in a field. The landing was totally fine but they would not allow someone to take off from it for insurance reasons and shipped it home by truck.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Again, there is. IF it is not expected to land JET planes they aren't overly obsessive over clearing the runway of small debris. Doesn't matter if it is long, like the story says it is long but used for small aircraft and helicopters.

Even if it was NOT prepared before landing, it definitely could be cleaned up before take-off. Moot point.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

In flight school someone had to land in a field. The landing was totally fine but they would not allow someone to take off from it for insurance reasons and shipped it home by truck.

Apples and oranges.

-t

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Even if it was NOT prepared before landing, it definitely could be cleaned up before take-off. Moot point.


Apples and oranges.

-t

Funny thing is I said it was a GUESS and I don't see you offering ANY other reasons as to why, you're just telling everyone elses guesses are wrong

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Funny thing is I said it was a GUESS and I don't see you offering ANY other reasons as to why, you're just telling everyone elses guesses are wrong

Maybe because if something seriously went wrong, we would have read about it in the article

-t

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

No, thanks. I'll stick with Deutsche Touring/Eurolines. I'm just realistic enough that I know that if I would fly to Alicante for 30 € I know that I'd get what I paid for and wouldn't whine about some puke on the floor.

Funny. It's almost as if you belive €30 is something exclusive to Ryanair

No, not really. Many LCCs offer service at those prices and even some legacies at times. Ryanair is the only LCC I know of with such an appalling service. The funny thing about it is that you don't even have to take my word for it. That's just the generel concensus of almost all who care to comment on that "airline". They are crap. They are crap for passengers and employees.

EasyJet and Air Berlin will offer the same prices and better service (and clean floors). But they offer more. They offer actual *flights* to Alicante.

That's what is really funny about your examples with Ryanair and their €30 prices to ALC. Ryanair *DOESN'T FLY TO ALICANTE*. Oh no.

They fly to Murcia. Alicante and Murcia aren't even in the same province and it's about 150 km by car between the two.

EasyJet and Air Berlin fly directly to Alicante. So good luck on flying Ryanair to ALC, because they don't. Not for €30 or any other amount.

cheers

W-Y

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

That's what is really funny about your examples with Ryanair and their €30 prices to ALC. Ryanair *DOESN'T FLY TO ALICANTE*. Oh no.

They fly to Murcia. Alicante and Murcia aren't even in the same province and it's about 150 km by car between the two.

And they don't depart from Frankfurt. They depart from Hahn which isn't even the same federal state as Frankfurt (in fact it is practically "nowhere").

That's why I stick with Eurolines. City-center to city-center.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by angelmb

Reminds me that old Microsoft joke…

There is a clever helicopter pilot whose job is to ferry VIP's from the Seattle airport to downtown. One day he found himself with a passenger in a pea soup fog somewhere over downtown Seattle. No landmarks were visible and the passenger became panicky.

The pilot said "Don't worry" and very gradually let the helicopter down until it was hovering opposite the window of a large, unidentifiable building. The pilot motioned to a woman working in the building to open her window and asked her "Where are we?" The woman responded "You are in a helicopter."

The pilot immediately lifted the helicopter above the building tops, flew a mile and a half, let it down through the fog, and hit the landing pad dead centre. The amazed and relieved passenger said "How on earth did you do that?" The pilot said: "It was simple. The information the woman gave me was perfectly accurate and utterly useless. I knew that she had to be working at the Microsoft Customer Support Centre.

Updated for the 21st Century (and fitting this thread a little better to boot!):

There is a clever helicopter pilot whose job is to ferry VIP's from the Seattle airport to downtown. One day he found himself with a passenger in a pea soup fog somewhere over downtown Seattle. No landmarks were visible and the passenger became panicky.

The pilot said "Don't worry" and very gradually let the helicopter down until it was hovering opposite the window of a large, unidentifiable building. The pilot motioned to a woman working in the building to open her window and asked her "Where are we?" The woman responded "You are in a helicopter."

The pilot immediately muttered to himself, "Oh, crap!" The panicked passenger, hearing this, demanded of the pilot, "What's wrong? What's the matter?"

The pilot responded, "I think I took you to India by mistake."

[Mastrap]

I used Ryanair as a commuter service from London to Hamburg for two years, Never a single incident, always n time, planes clean. As far as I am concerned, they are as good as it gets in budget air travel.

[moodymonster]

from wiki:

The runways and taxiways remain well maintained and operational

[moodymonster]

Plane is probably back in service.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by moodymonster

from wiki:

Ok, guys, please stop quoting wiki like it was a fact. This is silly. I (or someone else, for that matter) might just go in and put in my opinion as facts...

-t

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

And they don't depart from Frankfurt. They depart from Hahn which isn't even the same federal state as Frankfurt (in fact it is practically "nowhere").

That's why I stick with Eurolines. City-center to city-center.

You'd travel by bus!?? Frankfurt-Alicante??



OMG.. I hope you don't have to do this a lot. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.

(although I'd rather take the bus than Ryanair so..)

cheers

W-Y